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 The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? 
#6430604 - 01/06/07 10:14 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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From Mushroom Culivation Forum:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6337345/an/0/page/0:
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MajorDick said:
Any one ever do a google search for shoulderless jars?
I just did and I'm kinda surprised in a ill-be-dammed kinda way.
While I love the resource we have here, I'm afraid it won't be long until we attract very unwanted attention. I have also done searches for things that were VERY UNRELATED to our hobby, and come up with Shroomery, Mycotopia and Shroomtalk articles as first-page results.
Personally, I wish that everyone in the world would read this website and actually learn for themselves how to do this and actually try it. If that were to actually happen, the stigmas and mass misconceptions against psilocybe (and many other drugs) most people have would be gone, and people could make up their own minds as opposed to just taking their DARE officer's word for it that all drugs are evil. Unfortunately, this will never occur.
So somewhere in this, I think it's CRITICAL that this site's popularity (especially in the terms of search engines) is managed in a very thought-out manner. Although the spread of information is what the internet is all about, and while we want people to be more informed about the realities of psilocybes and other fungi, attracting too much attention too quickly WILL BE a hard lesson for all of us - there is no question. If we (the site) get to the point that a large enough group of people to take us down, be it through the actions of the site's owners or creators, or more likely, merely the actions of its members, we will be shut down. Everything all our hard-core experimenters and old-hands have done, working their ass off and expending their own resources to make this place a haven for learning will be lost - even if all of this data is backed up, what good is it to everyone if we don't have a site to put it on for fear of prosecution?
Experience has shown us in the past that drug-related websites ARE at risk - especially those that become TOO popular TOO fast.
Am I maybe overthinking some sort of safety measure that's in place? I know the domain is registered off US shores, but that in itself wouldn't make US citizens exempt from criminal charges....
Anyone have any opinions on this?
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]
#6430613 - 01/06/07 10:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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You know it's already been around for a decade, right?
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]  1
#6430626 - 01/06/07 10:21 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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what your forgetting is that what is being done here by the shroomery is within the law. our wonderful freedom of speech here.
Also the admins and owners of the site are also within the law themselves, not off selling drugs etc....
Also the shroomery itself, does not sell mushroom spores, only leases ad space, which is completely legal.
Believe it or not, the shroomery is a leagally operating corporation and regognised under its state of incorportation (cali?)
the sale of drugs is strictly prohibited, and that rule is STRICTLY enforced.
imo, the shroomery expierement's lifestyle will mirror that of any other corporation, and will die when its revenues no longer cover its costs
however, i dont ever see that happening, as the members here would more than gladly fork out enough cash to keep this site up and running
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#6430643 - 01/06/07 10:30 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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You know it's already been around for a decade, right?
Unfortunately that is by no means a guarantee of safety.
One day we'll click www.shroomery.org and be greeted by the infamous DEA screen. The USA seems to become less and less democratic and freedoms seem to become less and less important.
One day our number will be up. 
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Asante]
#6430665 - 01/06/07 10:37 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see no reason to think that this website will be shut down in the future. Mushroom spores would have to be illegalized on the federal level before this website would face any kind of threat. If anything, this website stands to work agansit the illegalization of mushroom spores due to the information we provide regarding mushroom usage.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Asante]
#6430681 - 01/06/07 10:40 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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You know it's already been around for a decade, right?
Unfortunately that is by no means a guarantee of safety.
One day we'll click www.shroomery.org and be greeted by the infamous DEA screen. The USA seems to become less and less democratic and freedoms seem to become less and less important.
One day our number will be up.
I tend to agree with this almost completely.
There are many rules enforced here that do keep it within the bounds of the law. HOWEVER - EVEN IF the site is 100% legal, there is a LARGE amount of illegal activity posted here. Even if the site is immune to the new "security" acts such as Patriot Act and others like it that require site admins and ISPs to narc out their members, there are still many ways that we can be found out and taken down individually, regardless of whether the site itself is operating. Take enough of us down, and the rest start to ask themselves whether it's worth the gamble to come and post here - all ending up with the same effect in the end - the site becomes worthless.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: fireworks_god]
#6430716 - 01/06/07 10:48 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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If anything, this website stands to work agansit the illegalization of mushroom spores due to the information we provide regarding mushroom usage.
I also agree here. That's what I'm saying - it just has to be balanced.
But I don't see how the legality of spores is what's in the balance here. The fact is, there's documentation (WITH PICTURES) of illegal activies all over this site. There's evidence of wrongdoing, and that CAN and WILL be exploited and used against us if we attract enough attention to cause someone to want to.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]
#6430739 - 01/06/07 10:55 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe its time the admins googled 'freenet' or maybe us coders amongst the shroomery should get off our lazy asses and code ourself some cyber security.
I would love to incorporate a more efficient version of freenet into something as useful as the shroomery. TRUE anonymity could protect us all, as it does for many of the scummy kiddy fiddling fucks that abuse freenet
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Freenet is free software which lets you publish and obtain information on the Internet without fear of censorship. To achieve this freedom, the network is entirely decentralized and publishers and consumers of information are anonymous. Without anonymity there can never be true freedom of speech, and without decentralization the network will be vulnerable to attack.
Communications by Freenet nodes are encrypted and are "routed-through" other nodes to make it extremely difficult to determine who is requesting the information and what its content is.
Users contribute to the network by giving bandwidth and a portion of their hard drive (called the "data store") for storing files. Unlike other peer-to-peer file sharing networks, Freenet does not let the user control what is stored in the data store. Instead, files are kept or deleted depending on how popular they are, with the least popular being discarded to make way for newer or more popular content. Files in the data store are encrypted to reduce the likelihood of prosecution by persons wishing to censor Freenet content.
The network can be used in a number of different ways and isn't restricted to just sharing files like other peer-to-peer networks. It acts more like an Internet within an Internet. For example Freenet can be used for:
* Publishing websites or 'freesites'
* Communicating via message boards
* Content distribution
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Cepheus]
#6430744 - 01/06/07 10:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, sounds like alot of proxies to me, and we would still have to have a server somewhere...
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]
#6430745 - 01/06/07 10:58 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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How will we attract this attention. Is this potential attention itself negative, or is it a certain type of attention that we may receive that would be detrimental?
For instance, we have already caught the attention of the government agencies that pertain to the subject matter. This should be clear.
I personally think that the justice system is based upon intent. Isn't it a judgement on intent? Perhaps a lot of evidence that an agency would need to prosecute is available right on this website. What would their motivation be for further investigation?
Local agencies would perhaps be more interested in one's activities on this website. If an individual was distributing mushrooms in their city, for example, they might be more inclined to investigate further.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: ZippoZ]
#6430756 - 01/06/07 11:04 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, sounds like alot of proxies to me, and we would still have to have a server somewhere...
No thats not how it works, all the storage is decentralized, everyone that uses freenet stores some of the content, of course its fragmented and incomplete & encrypted so there is no way of telling what your storing.
If you browse freenet now You'll find tons and tons of drug synthesis & open trading going on, because it really is anonymous.
A very hypothetical idea but it would be good if all the pro-drugs sites united and had their own 'freenet' without the obscenities which are on the current one (as it is completely censor free it has kiddie porn and other such ghastly things on it)
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: fireworks_god]
#6430761 - 01/06/07 11:06 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see no reason to think that this website will be shut down in the future.
Sorry to say, but perhaps you have only superficially examined the possibility. Legal action against a member could expose a network of illegal transactions within the Shroomery. Some stupid media campaign could be launched against the evils of our website. Or like so many things in the drug war the servers might be seized "for investigation" causing lets say a year of downtime and full exposure of all nonencrypted content. We're a haven for the cultivation and use of all sorts of drugs, thats manufacture and posession and more such felonies.
When a government (like in the US) isn't really just anymore, anything can happen including bullshit charges and fake justice.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: fireworks_god]
#6430768 - 01/06/07 11:08 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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How will we attract this attention. Is this potential attention itself negative, or is it a certain type of attention that we may receive that would be detrimental?
For instance, we have already caught the attention of the government agencies that pertain to the subject matter. This should be clear.
I personally think that the justice system is based upon intent. Isn't it a judgement on intent? Perhaps a lot of evidence that an agency would need to prosecute is available right on this website. What would their motivation be for further investigation?
Local agencies would perhaps be more interested in one's activities on this website. If an individual was distributing mushrooms in their city, for example, they might be more inclined to investigate further.
Yep, I'm with you all the way on these points. I know we're aleady on their lists.
The question is how long it takes for some teens to look at the posts on here and learn enough about this hobby to try it for themselves. Yes, if it's found out you're under 18, you'll be banned - but that doesn't stop you from reading, it only keeps you from posting. When they get busted growing in their parents' basements, with Shroomery teks printed up and bookmarked, their parents are going to go on a rampage to scapegoat their bad parenting and lack of internet monitoring, and silence the evil monster who put this idea in their childrens' heads.
A few letters to news stations later, news articles are up and running, informing other parents to "BE WARNED" about the actions here. From there, CONCERNED PARENTS start writing letters to lawmakers and law enforcement, pressuring them to take whatever action against us they possibly can.
If it becomes a big enough deal, politicians and elected LE officials will do whatever they can ... after all, wouldn't having a hand in taking us down be great PR for re-election?
This is just a theoretical scenario, but it has happened before.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Cepheus]
#6430783 - 01/06/07 11:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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aManEater said:
Maybe its time the admins googled 'freenet' or maybe us coders amongst the shroomery should get off our lazy asses and code ourself some cyber security.
I'm down. I'm experienced in .NET, HTML, PHP, AJAX, and most RFC protocols..... haven't used Freenet too much, but I somehow doubt it would be really hard to pick up.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]
#6430784 - 01/06/07 11:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look at the utter unreasonableness with which the US news media attacked Salvia. It got salvia illegal in many states and this is progressing to the federal level.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Asante]
#6430793 - 01/06/07 11:16 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Surley a simple solution would be to write a nice .htaccess file that deny *.gov
Well hardly a solution, but I imagine if you grep'd the syslogs you'll find a startling amount of connections from *.gov 
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Cepheus]
#6430827 - 01/06/07 11:27 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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My solution is to offer the entire Shroomery as a download and DVD collection. That way the Shroomery is forever preserved and unstoppable.
Decentralization is the only way we can win this thing.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Cepheus]
#6430834 - 01/06/07 11:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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zippoz said:
well, sounds like alot of proxies to me, and we would still have to have a server somewhere...
No thats not how it works, all the storage is decentralized, everyone that uses freenet stores some of the content, of course its fragmented and incomplete & encrypted so there is no way of telling what your storing.
If you browse freenet now You'll find tons and tons of drug synthesis & open trading going on, because it really is anonymous.
A very hypothetical idea but it would be good if all the pro-drugs sites united and had their own 'freenet' without the obscenities which are on the current one (as it is completely censor free it has kiddie porn and other such ghastly things on it)
okay, here is where i call bullshit
truly ananymous, thats great, public groups where drugs are traded out in the open, just because you see it dosent make it true.
you reall think that the feds dont own half of the accounts on the website youre talking about? you really think that its truly anonymous? there will be stings, people will be flipped, and youre never going to hear a word of it.
truth is most people that get busted will try and save their own ass, and theyll stay quite while theyre doing it, not letting you know that theyre really setting you up....
as for the shroomery being decentralised, this site gets over 2 MILLION hits a day, keeping the informaion accessable and loading anything in a timely manner would not work if the shroomery was de centralised and located on thousands of slow ass pc's across the world.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]
#6430871 - 01/06/07 11:40 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting thread, but I'm surprised no one brought up the referral Program.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: ZippoZ]
#6430879 - 01/06/07 11:43 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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as for the shroomery being decentralised, this site gets over 2 MILLION hits a day, keeping the informaion accessable and loading anything in a timely manner would not work if the shroomery was de centralised and located on thousands of slow ass pc's across the world.
I agree that this would be a headache. My point however is preservation of information. The 2005 Shroomery basically has all the answers you'll ever need on mushroom growing, hunting, use, etc etc. We are the world's most comprehensive source of entheogenic mushrooms information.
That core of the site should be protected at all cost, and the way to do that is to distribute it far and wide without keeping records.
We must not sit back and count on things being safe: we got to get off our ass and assure safety.
When in the year 2500 someone on a planet far from our good earth reads the archive of that ancient website, we did a good job 
I would hate it if that beautiful thing we all created would be gone forever because of our inertia.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Asante]
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im sure that the admins have distributed backups all over the damn place to make sure that the info dosent die
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Coundn't the shroomery just move the web site to the Neverlands? Lets see the usa do somethen about it there.I 'm areadly stocking up on spore prints,just in case  .Spore prints keep for a very long time  .How come FP Fungi.com isn't worred about this too?He has four books out on this stuff.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Asante]
#6430900 - 01/06/07 11:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry to say, but perhaps you have only superficially examined the possibility.
Not to any less of a degree that you have, based upon the list of your "could happens".
The truth is that mushrooms aren't really a substance that is capable of attracting the same amount of attention as other drugs. There are actually drugs out there that are inflicting harm upon individuals and the community. Time and resources aren't exactly luxuries for any government agency. Investigations are not carried out for the purpose of ideaology . Unless an individual is cultivating on a large-scale, associates themselves with criminals, or make stupid mistakes in public, then I do not find them as being likely targets of investigation. I also could not predict any sort of media and special interest campaigns to illegalize the distribution of mushroom spores anytime soon. It simply doesn't seem to be a key issue on the political front right now...
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Brainiac]
#6430911 - 01/06/07 12:00 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coundn't the shroomery just move the web site to the Neverlands? Lets see the usa do somethen about it there.I 'm areadly stocking up on spore prints,just in case .Spore prints keep for a very long time .How come FP Fungi.com isn't worred about this too?He has four books out on this stuff.
i asked this a few times, thing is we would usually need an onsite technician to handle hardware failure.........
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: ZippoZ]
#6431058 - 01/06/07 12:51 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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The beauty of open source is you have the source code.
Admittedly Freenet is written in java, but if you program in C (like me) you can get the jist of whats going on.
Theres no government backdoors in there man, trust. While your NSA or other agencies like this may possess the power to crack strong algorithms like AES/MD5 etc I doubt your humble DEA / FBI possesses this power. The worlds best codebreakers anually get together spending days upon days with more computing power than your average beowulf cluster trying to crack these algorithms.
Although one massive drawback, as you pointed out is the fact that with decentralization, this site would grind to a halt.
Just an idea man..
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: MajorDick]
#6431416 - 01/06/07 02:41 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting thread, but I'm surprised no one brought up the referral Program.
Personally, I see this as less dangerous than the amount of crap we have indexed in search engines. Referring someone here because they're probably interested isn't really going to attract as much negative attention as, say, being #1 or #2 when someone searches for "shoulderless jars"....
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Asante]
#6431478 - 01/06/07 03:01 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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My solution is to offer the entire Shroomery as a download and DVD collection. That way the Shroomery is forever preserved and unstoppable.
Decentralization is the only way we can win this thing.
Does anyone here seriously believe that the government DOESN'T already know about this site? I highly doubt some DEA worker is going to find us on a Google search and suddenly alert the agency to take us down.
I'd much rather have a free-flowing and up-to-date community than download a whole copy of the site every day because I'm scared it'll get shut down someday. If the admins had been this paranoid 10 years ago, we wouldn't have the awesome community we have now.
Take a risk every now & then, Wiccan. 
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: belligerent]
#6431506 - 01/06/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think OTD is the true threat to this forum. The DEA goes in there and get infuriated when they see the scat pictures. OTD is bad! 
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: fireworks_god]
#6431547 - 01/06/07 03:25 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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OTD was what I was thinking about when I wrote that post.
I like updated, real-time scat pictures that I don't have to download, dammit! Ugh...I cringe at the thought of my hard drive full of OTD. 
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: belligerent]
#6431600 - 01/06/07 03:41 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd much rather have a free-flowing and up-to-date community than download a whole copy of the site every day because I'm scared it'll get shut down someday.
That wasn't my proposal. My proposal was that copies of the site were made available (the exact 10th annicersary would be a good date to take the 0.1 copy) and aside from that we have the dynamic community just as it is now.
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Take a risk every now & then, Wiccan.
I think it would be wrong if all the effort of all our members would end up in a DEA evidence locker, while a snapshot of the site would be the best item the Shroomery Store ever had. I think decentralizing the Shroomery is the true risk that should be taken.
Erowid has done it, and you can bet I got my own offline Erowid archived on my shelf
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Asante]
#6431664 - 01/06/07 03:54 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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That wasn't my proposal. My proposal was that copies of the site were made available (the exact 10th annicersary would be a good date to take the 0.1 copy) and aside from that we have the dynamic community just as it is now.
OK, I'm fine with that as long as the community stays the way it is. And there's tons of software that will rip a copy of an entire site for offline browsing - it wouldn't be that hard to make your own backup if you wanted to.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]
#6431717 - 01/06/07 04:05 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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MajorDick said:
Interesting thread, but I'm surprised no one brought up the referral Program.
Personally, I see this as less dangerous than the amount of crap we have indexed in search engines. Referring someone here because they're probably interested isn't really going to attract as much negative attention as, say, being #1 or #2 when someone searches for "shoulderless jars"....
Oh yeah, far less dangerous. I was thinking of people just throwing their referral links around all willy-nilly, and shit. However, I still find the referral program to be kinda point less. Case: All I needed was the idea, and a search engine. It didn't take long to find the Shroomery, and about a dozen other mush/cult sites. I really don't think we're in any real danger provided we only discuss psychoactive mushrooms. We all know the dangers, and fact is no one has caught a really bad case for this except for one infamous group. And I'm sure we've all learned from their mistakes or at least the vendors have.
I highly doubt the Shroomery is any danger of being shut down by any federal institution. In fact I would guess, if anything, the D*E*A/N*S*A would FAVOR collective communities on the Internet.. Think about it..
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Sillicybin]
#22940048 - 02/24/16 08:07 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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And my how its grown ...how much does this website cost to operate
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: pizzeria]
#22940066 - 02/24/16 08:24 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my opinion document everything you can and save it to a T. Then if such misfortune does occur you will still know how to make it happen. As far as that goes though most of us here have the science pretty well perfected and need not use teks anymore. Also stock up on spores or keep agar of isolates so If they ever make them illegal anywhere you are still set
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: BoomRad] 1
#22940104 - 02/24/16 08:47 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's been like 20 years now
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: shadyy]
#22940533 - 02/24/16 11:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good thing its not called the Methery!
It would have been shut down a looooooooooooong time ago.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22940558 - 02/24/16 11:36 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the US shuts it down, someone can just re-launch the site using a server in Venezuela or some shit, right?
They couldn't take down the fucking piratebay, and they've been going after them for years, even going so far as to send numerous of the site operators to jail - and yet piratebay is still operational to this day.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: chopstick]
#22940704 - 02/24/16 12:22 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't be surprised if the database is on multiple servers in different countries. The entire thing can fit on a thumb drive, I believe. I have full faith that Ythan/Thor/Link/Anno et al, have some failsafe(s) in place, but I'd rather not ask nor them tell.
All that matters really is cultivation and MH&I, anyway.
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Adden]
#22940801 - 02/24/16 12:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Ok, google. - migrate shroomery server"
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Re: The Shroomery experiment - How much longer do you think it'll last? [Re: Adden]
#22940819 - 02/24/16 01:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zippo on page One stated it best: shroomery is not doing anything illegal.
Its freedom of Speech. 1st amendment. Cant make that illegal. Yes, people are doing illegal things with the info, but its nonviolent. Were a peaceful people If this site was based on "how to build homemade bombs", their might be some government involvement.
Shroomery isnt going no where, as long as the servers keep running and as long as Shroomery doesnt get involved in some illegal drug ring or mass murder ring or something.
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