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is this myc in pf jar???
    #6429643 - 01/05/07 10:22 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

itsbeen almost 2 weeks since innoc of pf jars with lc. does this look like they are colonizing???








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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971] * 1
    #6429648 - 01/05/07 10:24 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: yageman]
    #6429667 - 01/05/07 10:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

or it could be mashed potatoes....kinda hard to tell from the pic.


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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: yageman]
    #6429670 - 01/05/07 10:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yaaay :-).
yeah I couldnt find any pics on this site like mine though. they always seem to start growing thick wherever they were innoced. like on the four sides. and everyones pics are never detailed like mine so it is hard to tell. also I have never been able to find pics this early in the colonization. the way its growing it is like stuffing in a hacky sack or something. just little white beads all over

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6429673 - 01/05/07 10:36 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yeah I would rather if it looked like cottage cheese :-P

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6429701 - 01/05/07 10:58 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

2 more pics....




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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6429702 - 01/05/07 10:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

You should be able to tell in a couple of days.  :smile:

If it's white...it's alright!!!!!


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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: No_Life_G33k]
    #6429930 - 01/06/07 01:43 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i see no obvious mycelium

maybe just maybe, the start of a small amount of it, but its hard to tell.

the first picture, towards the top of the photo (bottom of the jar) looks very sketchy.

the cakes definitely have too much moisture.

and if i haven't brought enough bad news, the fact that you're at 2 weeks says they're something wrong.  a cake from an LC starts growth immediately (no waiting for spores to germinate), a very well done cake would be 100% at two weeks.  even a poorly done cake would show obvious progress.

if you can definitely see something changing, growing, inside the jars, another few days will tell the story of what it is. :wink:

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: creamcorn]
    #6430164 - 01/06/07 04:30 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Thats what myc. looks like when there is just little too much water in the mix.

Next time, use less water and it will look more like roots than truncated mashed potatoes. Its not the best "look", but it sure as shit will work.

Those will grow. There is no doubt that this is the case if you treat them right.......


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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: yageman]
    #6430466 - 01/06/07 08:58 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yep what creamcorn said is why I posted the pics. I just wasnt sure because I thought the same thing.

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: creamcorn]
    #6430526 - 01/06/07 09:37 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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i see no obvious mycelium

maybe just maybe, the start of a small amount of it, but its hard to tell.

the first picture, towards the top of the photo (bottom of the jar) looks very sketchy.

the cakes definitely have too much moisture.

and if i haven't brought enough bad news, the fact that you're at 2 weeks says they're something wrong.  a cake from an LC starts growth immediately (no waiting for spores to germinate), a very well done cake would be 100% at two weeks.  even a poorly done cake would show obvious progress.

if you can definitely see something changing, growing, inside the jars, another few days will tell the story of what it is. :wink:




i gotta go with cream on this one :frown:
i see nothing at all and even if the myc look like that after 2 weeks its not healthy and prolly wont make it too far

i looks to me like your jars are WAY over hydrated and you might not have used enough verm

but hey who knows if could pull through ya never know :smirk:


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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: myCo_psyCo]
    #6430531 - 01/06/07 09:40 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I had jars like that, they never colonized and started to smell real sour. Looks like those are starting to go in that direccion. Give em another week, if no myc is visible, toss em and start over.
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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: gringoman]
    #6431152 - 01/06/07 01:20 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I flipped them the other day to soak up some of the moisture with the dry verm at the top. the cakes shrank and pulled away from the sides a little hopefully that helps

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6431176 - 01/06/07 01:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Toss them. The white creamy stuff is bacteria. You'll need to make up a fresh batch of jars and start over. Good luck.
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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6432923 - 01/06/07 09:57 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I missed the part about them being 2 weeks.... They should be completed by now.

If ya have to ask....(the answer is no)


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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: No_Life_G33k]
    #6439035 - 01/08/07 06:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Im telling you, that is fatigued mycelium that is water logged.

Two weeks is not enough time to have a completed cake in my experience.

Hopefull the guy didnt throw them away yet. He just had too much water in there.

I only say this because I care, and have seen this EXACT thing before in my own cakes.
Jars with such a fucked up myc network dont grow as well, but they do grow if you treat them a certain way.

bacteria my ass..... You know im right when you fruit the cakes.
Bacteria doesnt grow mushrooms. Seriously, just think about it.

Ive seen it.... Thats mycelium..... If it stays that same color and fruits shrooms, you will know that it was mycelium to begin with....(for obvious reasons).

If that is bacteria, it clearly has taken over and this cake will not grow mushrooms. The thing is, thats just some waterlogged, agressive mycelium doing anything it can to survive.


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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6439054 - 01/08/07 06:39 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

no, all I see is TOO WET. I had some look like that when water from the pressure cooker overflowed into the jars.

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: yageman]
    #6439113 - 01/08/07 06:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Im telling you, that is fatigued mycelium that is water logged.

Two weeks is not enough time to have a completed cake in my experience.

Hopefull the guy didnt throw them away yet. He just had too much water in there.

I only say this because I care, and have seen this EXACT thing before in my own cakes.
Jars with such a fucked up myc network dont grow as well, but they do grow if you treat them a certain way.

bacteria my ass..... You know im right when you fruit the cakes.
Bacteria doesnt grow mushrooms. Seriously, just think about it.

Ive seen it.... Thats mycelium..... If it stays that same color and fruits shrooms, you will know that it was mycelium to begin with....(for obvious reasons).

If that is bacteria, it clearly has taken over and this cake will not grow mushrooms. The thing is, thats just some waterlogged, agressive mycelium doing anything it can to survive.




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i have grown water-logged cakes as well. the mycelium doesn't take on a gooey mutant form, it is still white... albiet thicker, it appears almost like marshmallows slowly seeping across. i wrote a story about some jars like that in fact, the bottom link in my sig...

i see nothing but over-wet rice, and bacteria at the bottom of that jar in the first picture, like i pointed out. over wet is PRIME for bacteria infection... they go hand in hand more often than not. i see no mycelium. i see an improperly prepared cake that is almost certainly contaminated.

lets add in the fact that it was inoculated with LC and is two weeks old. the picture I posted above was also inoculated with LC, and is 6 days old. you absolutely can colonize cakes in 2 weeks from LC... i regularly colonize them in 11-12 days. if you've never seen one finish that quick, apparently you're not doing things quite optimally yourself... let alone to judge this one. point being, if his jar(s) were going to work and they were moving slow as hell, they would show at least enough progress by 2 weeks that we wouldn't be having this discussion, it would be obvious.

i'm sorry but you're just way off here and getting the poor original posters' hopes up when he should be starting over if he wants to see some mushrooms any time soon.

if you're still convinced you see mycelium, please download that picture and circle it in paint, and re-upload it, show us what you're looking at. maybe i need my eyes checked... i just don't see anything but bad news.

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: creamcorn]
    #6439245 - 01/08/07 07:16 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

:whoah:  Holy rizos Cream corn,what kinda super isolate made those ??

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6439256 - 01/08/07 07:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Okay,

These will probably get me in trouble for the size, but it's as high res. as I could get with macros.  Maybe it'll help.  They were injected Jan 5th so 3 days for these particulars ones.

Opinions and experience vary greatly here, but mine take two weeks to colonize fully.  They look like it after 10 so I give them 14 to be sure.  This is with my own syringes. 1cc per jar, 4 points (1/4cc per point).  They alwys show growth within 3 days.

My first jars ever took 6 weeks to fully colonized until I got the hang of cakes.  As long as you can keep contams away (I agree that yours look fine) they should fruit fine once the do colonize.

Blut will eventually chime in to tell you how much he hates pf cakes :wink: but I still think they are easier to start with.  Let me know if you need help.











Edit - On second look there may be a bit of bacteria, but I still wouldn't toss them unless you desperately need the jars for something else.  Grow them out and see what you learn.

Edit 2 - I guess it resizes to 800x600, they were bigger to start with.

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6439320 - 01/08/07 07:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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:whoah:  Holy rizos Cream corn,what kinda super isolate made those ??




B+ clone  :thumbup:

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: creamcorn]
    #6439441 - 01/08/07 07:55 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

cpw1971, those arent pf jars


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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: tahoe]
    #6439512 - 01/08/07 08:10 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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cpw1971, those arent pf jars


notagoodusername, your jars look infected




lol, that's funny. Negative on the infection, they're fine. But thanks for the input.

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: notagoodusername]
    #6439573 - 01/08/07 08:23 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

tossed the jars :-(

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6447926 - 01/11/07 08:06 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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tossed the jars :-(




Don't sweat it. Just keep to the ratio of 1/4 cup BRF, 1/4 cup h2o, and 1/2 cup verm for each PF jar. You'll get it right.

Also make sure no boiling water is overflowing into your jars when you're boiling them.

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: etam]
    #6447934 - 01/11/07 08:10 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

damn i tossed one of my 2 jars cause it looked like that:/ awh well good lyck any way! =) DoDrugs

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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: creamcorn]
    #6448184 - 01/11/07 09:39 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Mycelium:







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Re: is this myc in pf jar??? [Re: RoachMan]
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Mycelium:







My new definition of "sexy"!





The rizo's in that jar look like they could strangle you to death when you open it :rockon:

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