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OfflineDroz
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Im confused again can someone help me?
    #642225 - 05/23/02 07:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I don't get it. You eat mushrooms. Psylocybin enters the brain causing these, let's just call them different for now, thoughts. You may get thoughts on god, thoughts on the universe, thoughts on your whole existance, all very illogical maybe due to the distortion of chemicals in the brain. So wouldn't all these thoughts be some kind of false or unreal reality? I don't know its hard to explain what im trying to get at. Can you have logical clear thoughts on mushrooms?

Ponder those question. I will get back to you on what im really trying to get at.

A brain operating normal can it still have these thoughts?

Nevermind im confusing myself now.

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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #642275 - 05/23/02 07:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The mushrooms aren't the key to some great truth. The key is right there all the time waiting to be found. Just because you have a thought on mushrooms dosen't make it right or wrong its just a thought. Think about all the false unreal thoughts you have all the time, that at first seem like a good idea, but then in retrospect are filled with "falsitys" and uncertainties. Taking everything with an open mind and no preconceptions is the trick.


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #642331 - 05/23/02 08:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

your mind thinks about a lot more than you realize... i think when you take shrooms it slips out more. it's like getting a chance to listen to your subconcious work a little.


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #642335 - 05/23/02 08:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

How can you be so sure that before you put the mushroom chemicals in your brain your thoughts are all completely in a real reality. Little is known about the brain, therefore everything you see and think might just be a cemical reaction in your brain.


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: superfine]
    #642506 - 05/23/02 11:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Heh, think about it. Everything you see/think/feel/taste/touch/smell/hear/ is inside of you. None of it is external. The only thing that is external is energy, which we are composed of. Everything we experience is due to our brains. Our brains somehow create a representation of the energy which we perceive as reality.

Eatng a mushroom doesn't really change anything but the illusion we are already perceiving. It's the change in normal perception which helps us realize that reality isn't as real as we think =) Realizing that reality is unreal can help you look at the world differently (well, der, but in a more grounded sense), and see things from a completely new light. The point? I honestly think the point is to acheive happiness through understanding.

Heh.. happiness, what is that? Unfamiiliar territory for me.


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #642669 - 05/24/02 05:02 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think you are confused because you are taking lots of different ideas and mashing them all together into a single ball.

I think of the brain as a giant filter. It takes in everything from all of our senses (eyes, ears, nose, etc) along with all the random noise the brain, or perhaps even the universe, produces and decides which ones are important and which ones to ignore. The important ones are forwarded on to our sense of self which then handles them appropriately. When you consume a mind altering substance, such as mushrooms, the filter is opened up a bit. Things which used to be dropped out are now passed on.

A lot of the info passed on is non-logical... paradoxical... doesn't make sense to think about and cannot be spoken of (no words exist to paint with).

Just because something doesn't make sense in a "normal" state of mind, doesn't mean that it is false, or unreal. In the same sense, just because something does make sense in an altered state doesn't mean that it is real or true.

The trick is to realize that nothing is set in stone. Don't put limits on being... not everything can be fit into a nice box. Accept the moment as it is and let the chips fall where they will.


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Seuss]
    #643075 - 05/24/02 10:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well said


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #643723 - 05/24/02 05:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you guys and gals for your replies. I just don't know enough scientifically to understand alot, and i don't trust scientifics as much as i use to anymore. I'm just out trying to get a better understanding of the world. Hey read my title 'confused' Yes that i am. Peace and love and thanks again.

We are so limited with communication aren't we?
I think as we evolve so will our communication.

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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #643815 - 05/24/02 07:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

A logical, clear thought would be not to do mushrooms in the first place. Logical, clear thinking is for computers. We humans don't seem to do very well on that subject. If we did, we wouldn't be "here" in the first place.
My lawyer says that when I think, I have my first problem. Just don't act on your "creative" thoughts, unless consulting with your lawyer.


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: GRTUD]
    #656462 - 05/31/02 08:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

As your attorney I advise you to rent a very fast car, with no top.
And you'll need the cocaine...


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #656677 - 05/31/02 11:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The brain is just a piece of machinery. An incredibly complex one, mind you (no pun intended), but a machine nontheless. It has no more intelligence than a lightbulb or lawnmower.
No one has ever proven the brain to be the source of consciousness. Even most of my scientifically tilted friends concede this point. Your brain is simply the physical interface between your body and mind ( which is non-physical and non-local).The ole grey matter allows you to have a physical presence in the world and interact with it. Mushrooms can temporarily strip away some of the calcified filters that seperate you from reality and give you a glimmer..


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Xibalba]
    #657594 - 06/01/02 04:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

"Wait till he sees those bats, poor bastard."


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: GRTUD]
    #671286 - 06/10/02 08:45 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"There's two women fucking a polar bear.."


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #671288 - 06/10/02 08:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Nah Mate


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #672661 - 06/11/02 06:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ive watched the movie several times Im now reading the book. Damn it is wild. I love the line

"Did you see what God did to us?"
"God didn't do it. You did it. Your a fucking narcotics agent."


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Droz]
    #675795 - 06/12/02 10:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

where has this clear understanding been all my life. thank god for the shroomery. shared understanding is personal understanding bounced of the universe. sharing your underastanding with the universe increases your personal uderstanding. it's a fucking math formula. of course this was just a paradoxical linguistic equation. it's funny that if you can really grasp the concept of everything being one, this is all you need. there are just infinite ways of grasping this, which is what sharing is all about. isn't the name of this forum shared expeience. how did that just happen? God I love not understanding. You mean I haven't been alone all this time? But how can you be alone if the universe is one. Great reading all the way down the board. my pills have gone down at a rate directly proportional to the growth of my relationship with the shroomery. I haven't even flushed yet. a thought a thought is a thought. well said psyko and change.

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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: Seuss]
    #675803 - 06/12/02 11:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

you words are soothing. the problem IS the solution. don't look for the problem and the solution already is. in struggling for understanding, an end is often imposed on the infinite. perception is reality and the perception of an end on something infinite serves to limit your understanding.

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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: GRTUD]
    #677555 - 06/14/02 03:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Computers don't think at all actually...


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: SixCee]
    #677686 - 06/14/02 06:36 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Computers don't "think" in abstract terms but they do mechanically "think" by using logic, in binary terms. Part of the problem, stated by the post (confusion), is how we " think" of ourselves in the first place. We tend to take for granted areas of our life that need more attention and in other areas we glorify that which can be less that miraculous. The human has several componets of thinking, one of which is ":yes/no", "on/off" logical "thinking" and other, more complex and abstract thinking which takes into account not just facts but also intutive information. The fact that computers are not human is not to discount the fact they are an appendage of humans, one in which we have created. They do the druggery of "logical thinking" which we are often inacurate and slow at performing. Us humans here in the Shroomery, we would much rather be concerned with altering our conscience and solving the mysteriousness of life and the universe. Our quest can sometimes cause confusion because we look for order and balance from a universe that we rarely obey. We fail at times to observe that we are, at the base, a machine and as with any machine, there are maintence issues that are little more than mundain. If we are to make sense of this "quest" we are on here, we must also perform the tasks of readiness for our journey. We make lite of machines but they are US in a more real way than many will admit.


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Re: Im confused again can someone help me? [Re: GRTUD]
    #677703 - 06/14/02 06:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

We make lite of machines but they are US in a more real way than many will admit.

I would like you to be the first to review my upcoming book, " I am My Blender" which covers exactly what you are talking about.



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