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Offlinefromthemoon
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Confused about casing, patching and misting
    #6421741 - 01/03/07 02:39 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

This is my cat's biggest problem right now. It took her a little while to learn patience, then more time to get grains down. Now she is having a problem with casing, misting, and patching to get optimal pin set.

So far, all casings have been in plastic ziplock containers painted black on the outside.

The first two casings were incubated till the first sign of myc peeked threw. Then it was placed in the fruiting chamber. My cat was gone for 10 day and when she got back, the casings fruited extremely well - sea of shrooms and very very big. Unfortunately my cat was gone and didn't get to see what went right.

One thing I do know is that those casings were incubated at a steady 80 and were fruited at 70. I think even though one little piece of myc was showing, the high 70 temp in the fruiting chamber helped it to continue to colonize the casing layer while gone which lead to an even pin set.

The next set of casings were colonized at 75 and fruited at 60 (with night temps dropping to 50). My cat waited until myc was poking out here and there and then added a spoonful of extra casing to cover. My cat waited until a little more myc came through, about 50%, then fruited.

That ended up pinning 50% of the surface and only grew about 40% the yield of the first casing.

Another casing was fruited when about 30% of the surface had myc peeking through. It was not patched, just placed into the fruiting chamber. This casing produced 50% more than the second and 80% of the first casing.

Two other casings were incubated, but thrown into the fruiting chamber before any myc peeked through. Dab idea, only pined around the edges and the casing never colonized (first flush is still fruiting).

Misting was very very rare, maybe once to 2 casings total.

Questions -

1) What should the colonized casing look like exactly? What % should have myc peeking through? 100%? 80%? 50%?

2) Patching is done when the myc peeks through in one spot before the rest. How much do you add to cover? Just a little tiny bit? Is patching repeated until 100% is colonized?

Misting is very very confusing. When the cat adds the casing layer, she mists with distilled water and a cap of H2O2 to hydrate.

3) How often does one mist a casing? Every day just a little? Do you use tap water or distilled water? I'm assuming no H2O2 is added after the application of the casing layer.

4) Is it OK to mist when the casing layer is colonized and starting to knot? How do you mist exactly, when the casing is knotting, pinning, and fruiting?

Thanks a bunch all;)


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: fromthemoon]
    #6421775 - 01/03/07 02:45 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

PS - I have read and read and experimented, but I am still confused and not finding a formula that works for me.


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: fromthemoon]
    #6421790 - 01/03/07 02:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

if your looking for a better pinset, are you still using multispores? Id suggest looking into cloning...that should help your pinset abit...

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: total]
    #6421814 - 01/03/07 02:55 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I'm using isolated strain from agar - these have been the testers for each strain - there are 3 strains I'm testing.


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: total]
    #6421822 - 01/03/07 02:57 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I'm confused too. How do you get the best pinset out of multispore injection? I have a casing right now and about 10% is colonized on the surface so when should I wait till? Hopefully we can get an experienced grower in here to answer the question well enough for the knowledge of both of us!

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: hightimesreader] * 1
    #6422020 - 01/03/07 04:09 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

You want to back off on misting when the casing gets colonized. To maintain humidity, simply lay a sheet of wax paper over the top of the tray. Wrinkle up the wax paper, then flatten it out again before using. This will provide lots of little pathways for air exchange, while still holding the humidity high enough to stimulate primordia.
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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6422023 - 01/03/07 04:11 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks RR!

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: hightimesreader]
    #6422034 - 01/03/07 04:14 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not that experienced myself but have picked up a couple of things.

******Definatly read Hyphae's pinning strategy.

Some key points:

Stop misting when the pins are starting to form but keep humidity up. Excess water will cause aborts.

FAE is also key.

Once myc is poking thru patch those areas and place in FC.

Once the shrooms get big enough mist around their base, not on them.

I wouldn't use peroxide, except mabey in the CM water. Unless there are contam problems.

Cheers,
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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: JJJJJJ]
    #6422067 - 01/03/07 04:29 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks J 6!

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6422955 - 01/03/07 09:24 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (01/09/22 07:45 PM)

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6423872 - 01/04/07 06:39 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Reading my pinning strategy will help also :wink:


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: hyphae]
    #6429047 - 01/05/07 07:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: hyphae]
    #6429244 - 01/05/07 08:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
Reading my pinning strategy will help also :wink:




Yes,hyphae's pinning strategy kicks ass :rockon:  :rockon:

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: Blutjager]
    #6429283 - 01/05/07 08:29 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

My friend has been getting good growth with 80-90% humidity.. :smile:

After first pins show he mists the sides of the tubs.. 1-3 times daily and keeps check on temp and humidity.. its between 68F-73F all the time..

Last flushes have produced rather large fruits from a medium fruit strain cambodians.. about 2.5 inches or so across on the caps..

this was wbs cased in 75% verm 25% peat.


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6430618 - 01/06/07 10:19 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:
Thanks, that's a great post. I'm in the process of trying to master... well, at least become proficient with casings, & this will be a great resource to that end.

One question though: Unless I missed it in the post, I didn't see anything about humidity. From the looks of it, I assumed you had it at 95+% the entire time, including the growth stage?



95-98% during primordia formation (pinning) and then once pins are set then it can be lowered to 85-92%, I myself prefer 92% or there abouts this puts less demand on the casing layer as well as the substrate for needed moisture resulting in less shrinkage of the casing as well as more prolific flushes everytime! GL


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: fromthemoon]
    #7173984 - 07/14/07 07:34 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

How do you control the humidity percentage? Misting more/less?


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: fulltilt151]
    #14931685 - 08/16/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

perlite homey

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: ogtripleog]
    #14932005 - 08/16/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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If you're going to bump a 4 year old thread you should probably add some substance to it.

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: dtowntoker]
    #14932012 - 08/16/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #14932021 - 08/16/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Straight perlite homie.


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: dtowntoker]
    #14932029 - 08/16/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Straight perlite homie.


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Re: Confused about casing, patching and misting [Re: ogtripleog]
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