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raydog311
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psilocybe cyanescens look alikes 2
#6418054 - 01/02/07 12:33 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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hello everyone, i have just found a large amount of what look to be psilocybe cyanescens in the woodchip path going to the back of my property. the only thing is is they dont bruise blue. i was wondering if they would still be psycoactive(sp?)? i am guessing no, also are there any look alikes.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: raydog311]
#6418074 - 01/02/07 12:37 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Welcome to the shroomery. Your hunch that you don't have cyans is probably correct. Blue bruising is a hallmark of the species (it's what the word cyanescens means!). There are lots and lots of wood loving mushrooms, and there are several that have a passing resemblence to cyans, including deadly galerinas.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: xmush]
#6418096 - 01/02/07 12:43 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Xmush is right! Several mushrooms look quiet like Cyanescens but without having a white stem (some Cyans tend to have a more brown to yellow stem which can be quiet aberrant) but they always!!! blue when they are touched too hard. If you press the stem it turns blue in less then five minutes. That's for sure. So be careful with those mushrooms you found. they might be just the wrong ones (Galerina)!
PS: I guess you don't have any pics for you didn't post any, am I right?
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: Fahkface]
#6418123 - 01/02/07 12:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could be Tubarias or Galerinas or something else. Here is a comparison of a cyn vs. tubaria.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: CureCat]
#6418133 - 01/02/07 12:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
CureCat said: Could be Tubarias or Galerinas or something else. Here is a comparison of a cyn vs. tubaria.
The Cyan is the one on the right
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raydog311
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: Fahkface]
#6418170 - 01/02/07 01:01 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have the one on the left it has the brownish fleshy stem.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: raydog311]
#6418179 - 01/02/07 01:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, then you have been right with your consideration.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: raydog311]
#6418201 - 01/02/07 01:09 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cyans have pure whit solid stems which bruise blue and no visible annulus or veil (ring) on the stem, even naturally they bruise blue while growing depending in falling objects such as leaves, people kicking them as they walk through a patch without knowing about them, rain and wind and cold all bring bluing about,.
Galerina's and deadly Conocybe species have ochrceous-orange to orange brown to cinnamon buff stems with a ring, sometimes white and sometimes orange-brown to cinnamon. And they never stain blue.
Both have wavy caps but the white stems distinguish Psilocybe cyanescens formthat of the deadly look-a-likes.
mj
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: mjshroomer]
#6435734 - 01/07/07 06:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow! Thank you all for a clear and informative identification. OBN
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pscyanescens
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: oldiebutnewbie]
#6436414 - 01/07/07 09:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mjshroomer:
When the cyanescens are young they have a fiibrillose veil, like spider webs kind of.
It is very unnoticeable but i am pretty sure i have seen a ring around the stalk where the veil used to be connected once. It is quite unnoticeable, and just like a pellicle for cyanescens should probably not be a key factor when doing our identification. I would even go as far to say it doesn't exist for most cases (reviewing my pictures now)
However if there is a veil (which there is) there should be some slight possibility there could be somewhat of a ring left behind.
-PS i never check. There are more important things to be considered. I was shown by my mushroom mentor.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: raydog311]
#6436617 - 01/07/07 09:55 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's definitely subjective. There is nothing in the world that looks like a cyanescen to me... Except for cyanescens of course.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: pscyanescens]
#6438258 - 01/08/07 01:25 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I too have images in my library of P. cyanescens with a slightly and somewhat lightly, partially visable fiibrillose veil. But it is not a recognizable feature used for identification in P. cyanescens.
mj
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: mjshroomer]
#6440178 - 01/08/07 11:13 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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MJ: Strange, i have always seen one.I would think to use it for my ID Maybe i don't check enough. Do you got some pics in your Library of buttons without a fibrillose veil? In my picture they are a little bigger then buttons (in my opinion) so i figure anything smaller then that should have a veil. Would i be wrong to assume this?
Is it possible it could leave a slightly visable ring? I know it is not likely to happen, but a possibility?
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: raydog311]
#7508654 - 10/11/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow excellent post. I have been trying to identify cayans but info has been sketchy. thanks
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: road apple]
#7508780 - 10/11/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: CureCat]
#11238036 - 10/13/09 07:06 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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*bump*
Okay sorry I know this thread is super old, but I am reviving it because cyanescens season is getting into full swing and I feel this thread has wonderful information for newbies who don't yet know how to identify mushrooms. Sry if you don't agree.
A few other tips - always take a sporeprint. Psilocybe spores look kinda purplish when you look at them on the mushroom itself, kinda purplish/brownish to even somewhat black when you actually take the print. Galerinas have orangish-tannish brown prints. As a general rule, white-sporeprinted mushrooms are not active and can be dangerous (tho there may be rare exceptions.)
Cyanescens (and azurescens) have a white rather-silky looking stipe that bruises bluish/greenish/purplish depending on how you look at it, when handled. The cap will also bruise likewise. The caps of cyanescens sp. are generally notedly wavy once mature (thus why they're called Wavy Caps) though do not rely on this feature alone as some lookalikes can grow with a wavy looking cap as seen in the above pic comparing the cyan to the tubaria sp.
This thread would be a good one to sticky =)
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: Magick]
#11238055 - 10/13/09 07:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree that bumping it for now is ok. However, I am not a friend of stickifying all threads that have lots of useful information. You have to admit that if we did that here then the first two forum pages would be nothing but the always same stickified threads. In the light of this, my opinion is: Make it part of the FAQ? Yes. Stickify it? No.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: German Kahuna]
#11243978 - 10/14/09 02:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay yeah that's probably a better idea. I just don't want this info to get stuck at the very end of the forum or (worse) deleted. That first pic especially was one of the first that truly showed me the difference between cyans and other similar species
I think it's good for those who are new at hunting to see it.
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: Magick]
#11310798 - 10/24/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: psilocybe cyanescens look alikes [Re: Mystery420]
#11311137 - 10/24/09 10:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i keep finding ones just like the pic on the left, but i cant find a Cyanescens to save my life
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