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NFL Draft 2007.
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well... its already time to start speculating...

Oakland and Detriot have locked the #1 and #2 spots in this years draft.

have a pretty deep class... no reggie bushs' really.. atleast i dont think so..

you have 2 QB's, possibly 3 to watch for.. Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russel, and Troy Smith.
also theres a pretty good OT out of Wisconsin, (forget his name but hes projected top 5)
also consider Calvin Johnson, best WR to come in a draft for awhile.
and you have Michigan CB Leon Hall.

Im just trying to figure if Oakland will go with Quinn seeing as they have brooks and walters.. and take the OT from Wisconsin to improve the line.. and then that would drop Quinn in the hands of the needy detriot lions.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Joe Thomas is the OT.

JaMarcus I think is staying for his senior year, and Brian Brohm might come out.
Mel Kiper has Brohm at the top of his "Big Board."

The first pick is almost definitely going to be a quarterback, becase Oakland got first pick, and they need a QB. Quinn, most likely.

Detroit's kind of up there, but they can't be stupid enough to draft another WR, they need a quarterback, but Kitna's not too bad. I reckon they might take Joe Thomas, OT from Wisconsin.

The Bucs'll be up there, but they think Chris Simms doesn't suck, so they won't go with a Q after dropping ten mill on Phil's boy.
Defender, I think they should go with, but Gruden's barely addressed the defense, draft-wise, so far. Leon Hall's an option, maybe some big guy to plug the gap, but I don't really know of anybody.
A good RB in Caddy, when he's got holes, a pretty good receiving core, when Clayton plays to snuff and Stovall is emerging, somewhat. The line and QB are the main problem, but Joseph and Trueblood will be pretty good next year. The offense has the tools, I think the hometown team needs to get rid of Gruden, despite his "offensive genius."

Who else is a top ten pick?
Houston, Washington, Cleveland, I'd guess.
Houston- O-line and RB, if Davis can't recover well.
Washington- Offensive Coordinator, defensive line
Cleveland- Defensive secondary


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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washington- offensive coordinator= :rofl2: they def have the weapons to be good on offense.

Cleveland could use another good posession reciever.. maybe taking calvin johnson.. he'd be a great complement to jurverious and winslow.

I forgot about Brohm, hes very solid.. he might end up in Detroit... he'd def have an arsenal of WR's to throw too.. and they run a very similar offense to Louisville.. they really like that spread shotgun.. itd be a good fit for him.

I think Oakland needs to improve the o-line.. Brooks isnt THAT terrible of a QB.. you cant do shit when the defense is on top of you.. but then again, you cant blow a #1 pick on an OT, when you could use a QB.. perhaps they draft Quinn and trade him.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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I think they take quinn, then an O-line guy or two, then build the linebackers.
Their defense is pretty decent, the pass rush is good, and their pass defense is one of the best in the league.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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yeah oaklands defense isnt really that shitty at all... could use help on the d-line..


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Their d-line played all right this year, with Sapp having a resurgence, but they're all pretty old.

They've got a pretty good linebacker, but I can't remember his name, and they drafted a Thomas Howard out of UTEP who should be good.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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thats what i was thinking... shit sapp has to be around 35.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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draft sits here,

oakland, detriot, tampa bay, cleveland, arizona, washington, then
houston, miami, and minnesota (will depend on the breakdown, all with 6 wins)
then, buffalo, san francisco, atlanta (all with 7 wins)...
greenbay, carolina, st. louis, pittsburgh, cincy, jacksonville, tennesee (all with 8 wins)
denver (with 9 wins)

the rest will be decided after the playoffs.. but kinda gives a better idea.

forgot that tampa bay and arizona would be drafting in the top 5.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Cleveland would probably pick before the bucs, because the bucs beat them.

'Zona's got to pick an offensive linemen, their front five is terrible.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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thats really all they need.. and maybe a younger RB of the future.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Aaron Brooks is hideous. Oakland will very likely take a QB. New Orleans couldn't wash their hands of him soon enough.

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: ArcofaJourney]
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im just saying, he'd be mediocre if he had any protection...

but i do agree.. they will most likely take a QB.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Jeff Samargera (sp?) if he decides to play professional football.. he is a senior, but already has been signed by the chicago cubs.. could play both sports though.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Some ESPN guy was saying he could drop, for fear that he'd not devote enough time to football, despite saying he wants to play in the NFL and baseball.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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i mean, its really going to come down to which one he decides he wants to play more..

there havent been many athletes successful at 2 sports, esp straight out of college.

ive never followed him in baseball, but hes a hell of a WR.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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He was drafted fifth round by the cubs, I believe.

If he signs he's guaranteed $7 mill.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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They say his fastball is well into the nineties.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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yeah 98 is what i heard, they showed some clips during the game.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Damn, after watching LSU destroy Notre Dame, I'd take Jamarcus Russell with that #1 pick. Brady Quinn doesn't have the arm strength for Al Davis' offense, but Russell sure does.

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: belligerent]
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its hard to agree, but i do.

LSU def has a much better O-line than ND,.. not to mention LSU has a much better pass rush than ND.. but yeah.. itd be a close toss up

JaMarcus def had the better game.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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he beat a fairly good Georgia Tech team this year.. bring ND back in the 4th.. hes also beat Michigan before.. came very close to beating USC last year..

its a good QB, but i think hes suffered because of the ND defense and o-line.

ND doesnt have a problem posting pts usually, they usually have a problem stopping offenses, something he has little control over.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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JaMarcus Russel announced today that he will enter the 2007 NFL Draft.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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#1 pick of the Oakland Raiders - poor kid. :sad:

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: belligerent]
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more like poor oakland raiders wasting another draft pick.. i dont think he'll shape up to that great of an NFL QB... maybe im wrong.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Calvin Johnson also announced today that he would declare for the draft.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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I think they said that announcement of Jam going early was premature, he's supposed to officially announce his intent Wednesday.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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Hiesman hopeful, before the injury, Michael Bush from Louisville announced also that he would be heading into the draft.. even after suffering a season ending injury early in the cardinals season.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Banez said:
Brooks isnt THAT terrible of a QB.


yes he is. he is horrible. his last game for the saints looked like he was throwing the game.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: iateshaggy]
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iateshaggy said:
Banez said:
Brooks isnt THAT terrible of a QB.


yes he is. he is horrible. his last game for the saints looked like he was throwing the game.


maybe because they were?

werent they trying to get the #1 pick? thinking that the texans wouldnt be foolish enough to pick anyone but Reggie Bush...

IMO i have nothing against teams who have nothing left to play for just throwing away the end of the season, esp if its the difference between a #1 and a #3 or 4 pick.

what do you gain from winning on more game? nothing.. what do you lose? potentially a reggie bush caliber player, that comes around once in a couple years.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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It's said players don't follow that bullshit.

Nobody wants to lose, unless they're betting on the other team.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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alright, we have some more notables declaring to leave early for the draft:

Allan Branch DT Michigan
Anthony Gonzales WR Ohio State
Chris Houston CB Clemson
Dwayne Jerret WR USC
Michael Bush RB Louisville
Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
Marshawn Lynch RB California
Greg Olson TE Miami
JaMarcus Russel QB LSU
Daruis Walker RB Notre Dame


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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russel is descent but he's nothing amazing. i would take him though if brooks was my qb.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: iateshaggy]
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yeah, this isnt like last years draft, i dont think there is any clear cut #1 draft pick (even though reggie bush didnt get drafted #1 overall).


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Darius Walker and Gonzales are kind of surprising.

I guess both figure there's little to no way to win a Nat'l Championship, now.

Michael Bush should stay, I think, but then again Cromartie came out after not playing for a year, and was a top-20 pick.


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No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose...
Rapture.
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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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yeah, i mean i guess he doesnt want to risk another injury.

im still waiting for an announcement from adrian petterson.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Branch is an animal. I can't wait to see him play in the pros.

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Redstorm]
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i was hoping he would come back.. atleast we are getting Jake Long back.. perhaps the best OT in college football.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Banez said:
more like poor oakland raiders wasting another draft pick.. i dont think he'll shape up to that great of an NFL QB... maybe im wrong.


Thats probably one of the first things I ever agree w/ you on.

I think Jamarcus Russel is severely overhyped. Doesnt LSU average like, 6 points a game?


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Madtowntripper]
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More like, thirty.
They played some powder puffs, but still, he tossed 28 touchdowns and 8 INTs.


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No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
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Rapture.
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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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idk, ill look up stats tomorrow..

i just took some ambien and feel pretty good.. im going to go watch a movie and tear up some pizza rolls

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Ted Ginn Jr, WR OSU decided this morning to go ahead and declare for the draft.

Brain Brohm, QB for Louisville decides to return for senior season (i have no idea why)


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Antonio Pittman, RB OSU also follows suit and heads to NFL deaft.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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adrian peterson also declares

brennen from hawaii declared but might withdrawl his bid, he has 72 hours to change his mind.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Adrian Peterson will break in half the first time an NFL player hits him.

Christ, watching college players hit him makes you think he's got some weird mutation where his bones have formed of glass.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Basically, he either destroys a would-be tackler or cracks his clavicle.


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No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
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Rapture.
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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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Jeff Sarmarja decided to go play baseball with the Cubs today instead of entering the NFL Draft and playing football.

i dont get it, he would have made a hell of a NFL WR.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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He's guaranteed 5 mill if he goes to baseball, he won't get injured and he won't have to do shit.

Colt Brennan has rescinded his statement of entering the draft, and Brian Brohm has decided to stay at Louisville for his senior year.


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Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose...
Rapture.
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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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its a 5 year deal though.. he could make more than 1 million a year playing football.. i guess it all comes down to what he has more passion for

i knew about brohm staying, thats kind of stupid IMO.. he is losing his RB and several other key players.. including the head coach.


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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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He lost his running back from the beginning of this year.

They did all right :smirk:

I went to school with Anthony Allen, their number two running back, real nice guy.


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Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose...
Rapture.
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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Banez]
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Banez said:
Jeff Sarmarja decided to go play baseball with the Cubs today instead of entering the NFL Draft and playing football.

i dont get it, he would have made a hell of a NFL WR.


This happens almost every year when you have a player who's super-good at two sports, usually football and baseball, and he has to pick one.

They almost ALWAYS pick baseball, for the reasons stated above. You dont have to get hit. The potential for serious injury is much less. Plus, if wanted to go into the NFL he needs to be ready right now. He's really not that good.

With the MLB contract, the Cubs dont expect to him play in Wrigley field for probably 5-6 years. So he has time to develop and spend that 10 million he's getting...

Ther are other considerations too. Whatever NFL money he got wouldnt be guaranteed. They could cut him any time they wanted. MLB money is not only guaranteed, but theres no salary cap in baseball, so the earning potential is MUCH higher.

All in all, its hard to see why he would choose football.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

Edited by Madtowntripper (01/20/07 11:14 AM)

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Exactly why I hate pro baseball, along with all the juicing.

Pro baseball's gay as fuck.


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No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose...
Rapture.
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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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Baseball is by far my favorite sport.

I dont understand people who prefer football or tennis; or, god forbid, NASCAR.

I'm not saying they're wrong, I'm just saying, i dont get it.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Because there's actual athleticism involved? (not in NASCAR, fucking hate that shit :argh:)
Because it's difficult to buy success in football?
Because football uses a half-decent steroid policy?
Because half of a baseball game is just standing there?


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No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor.
No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God.
No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.

I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something
different. I chose the impossible. I chose...
Rapture.
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Re: NFL Draft 2007. [Re: Pat Bateman, VP]
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yeah, the salary cap is a huge part of football.. thats why there is no "yankees" of football.. they dont let franchises really happen.

i hate how baseball is a money game.


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