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Best Read Ever!
    #641451 - 05/23/02 09:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This is the best read!!!! Ever

Listen guys you have to read this.
Not all at once check out all the pages.
At the bottom there are links to the rest of the work.
IF you read this and tell me it is bull shit I am going to go crazy.
Or am I already crazy.
I cried several times while reading this. Every one needs this if they don't already know.

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: MexicanMushroom]
    #641575 - 05/23/02 11:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

INDEED VERY COOL!! Thanks for the link!!!

I see trees of green, psylocibe mushrooms too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: MexicanMushroom]
    #641702 - 05/23/02 12:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It is bullshit. Sorry.

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: Sclorch]
    #641770 - 05/23/02 01:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

bullshit - everything?
i am sure this guy has some interesting ideas, but approach with caution.
best read ever? maybe for some people, at this point in their lives, plenty more books and writers to explore.
my question is always, what is he getting out of this? how much?

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: MexicanMushroom]
    #642486 - 05/23/02 11:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

NO, you're not crazy; I read that book when it first came out. I am an admited heathen and disbeliever in the "invisible man" theory.
I like Arthurs, VERIFIABLE, historical references. I don't know if I can make the case for trading "the invisible man" for the "godly mushroom", but it does make an interesting point from an historical basis. Something totaly lacking in religion.

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: mrfreedom]
    #642887 - 05/24/02 08:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Are you telling me that mushrooms have nothing to do with religion?
If so I will think you are crazy. I know every thing is not true. But when I tripped. I was thinking all these things. Then I read them from someone else. If you guys are undercontroll. You need to break free.. All I know for sure is that we don't know. You don't know. I don't kow. Don't belive what the TV says.

Understand it is all coming down.

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: MexicanMushroom]
    #646670 - 05/26/02 07:25 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for that post mexmush... Ive never been a fan of christian religion and have always remained mystified as to how it initially created a foothold for itself, compared to actually useful religions like buddhism..
some of the theories james arthur speaks of are just too obvious too deny... especially santa claus and maybe even the bread of man that jesus speaks of...
although you would expect some more specific references to the actual mushroom if this were the case I would have thought.... unless it was respected as a dangerous substance amongst those who did not have the power to control it, and thus not mentioned in popular definitions.... ? very weird

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: MexicanMushroom]
    #648626 - 05/27/02 09:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to jump in here and tell you what I think of James Arthur because unlike most of you here I have actually met him and spent many hours talknig to him. I created a new identity to do this because I have brought up James Arthur before only to be insulted by people who don't understand the man or what he is saying. I?ve seen people post all kinds of crap in response to Arthur?s stuff.
There was even one forum leadnig dimwit who actually said that James Arthur was a hoax and didn?t even exist! It is amazing the controversy that this guy generates. I will remain annonymous in this posting for this reason. I?m going to state my case briefly and that?s it. If you don?t get it it?s your loss.

I found his website while it was still under development in 1997 (this is before his book came out). I thought it was interesting but it did not really hit home for at least a year and as it developed I could tell that it was some pretty out there stuff. I consider myself to be a fairly skeptical intellectual. I am College educated so my typical academic background lead me to check out the things he said and do
some homework on my own. Things started adding up, and quite quickly I'm finding out that he did know what he was talking about. I?ll tell you this was astonishing. He soon received some backing by some bigtime heavyweights that I was familiar with and this really got me thinking.

I met James Arthur in 2000, in Oregon. A friend and I happened to be in the vicinity of where he was and so we decided to go see if we could meet him. I found him to be quite friendly and easy to talk to. Other Entheogenists were also present and most of them (who will remain un-named) I found to be very full of themselves. Arthur was the exception and to such an extreme that I consider him a brother
at this point. One of the highlights in my life is actually being present, with a few others, under a starry summer night while James Arthur proceeded to give an impromptu lesson in Astrotheology to all those present.

He explained in easy to undertand terms the Mazzaroth (Zodiac) movements of planets, moon and sun and then proceeded to explain the Precession of the Equinoxes, the Astronomical significance of our particular timelines, the Symbolic assoiciations of the conjunctions and cycles of certain planets and then came the really interesting part, the Greek, Hindu, Native American, Siberian and others Mythology behind the constellations as they were pointed out to us in the sky above. As I type this I get another glimpse of just how vast this information was. A few of the terms I learned that night were Archaeo-Astronomy and Astrotheology. These are not courses offered in College, but neither is Ethnomycology. This sparked my interest and so in the last few years I have delved into these subjects. Arthur knew his stuff exceedingly well. The role of Entheogens (Mushrooms and other things) as they are encoded into the stars absolutely blows my mind to this day and the subject is so vast that I don't even want to begin a discussion of this magnitude here. Make no mistake about it Arthur is well versed in a wide range of subjects that he doesn't even touch upon in his book. Check out some of his interviews, I'm sure there are archives available.

I will say this; Whoever said anything negative about James Arthur does not know the man. And anyone that says he doesn't know his stuff is blowing smoke. The book "Mushrooms and Mankind" is like a drop of water in an ocean compared to what is inside his head. I, as many others, am awaiting his further works but I have also listened to several of his radio interviews, watched his videos and seen one live lecture. Most importantly, I have actually met the man. He is one amazing dude and you know what? He is approachable, friendly and is one of us.

MexicanMushroom, The reaction you had to reading his material is understandable. I too have been moved by his words. I've laughed harder than I can say to some of his sarcasm and ironies and cried at the magnitude and power of realizing the impact of exactly what he was saying. Ethnomycology is a deep subject with many unexpected tangents. I could go on but what's the use? Either you get what he is saying or you don't. Arthur is cool, but he's not your typical writer. His writing comes straight from the heart and mind and that is one of the things I like the best about him, he tells it like he sees it, without regard for political correctness. I have also followed up with further research on several points which I was questionable on, his statements pan out. This isn?t to say I agree with everything he says, the jury is still out on some things but I wouldn?t be at all surprised if I wound up agreeing with him in the end. I've also heard others say this, and it is definitely true "He pulls no punches".

We almost lost him this past year as he had a series of strokes. He talked about it in one of his interviews I listened to on KPFK (Los Angeles Public Radio) where he was on with another of my favorine great minds Jordan Maxwell. I hope we don't lose any of these guys to strokes and such, Terence leaving us was bad enough. That would indeed be a shame.

Namaste, my friend.

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: StrangeAttractor]
    #648646 - 05/27/02 09:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

All right Swami, I'd recognize your writing anywhere. Fess up, it's you.

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: ]
    #649297 - 05/28/02 10:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)


I figure it's either StrangeDays, MystrysAbsynth, or Lozt Soul.
They're the only ones I've ever seen mumble "Namaste."
Though I'm leaning towards MystrysAbsynth.

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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: MexicanMushroom]
    #651013 - 05/29/02 11:51 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

That was a good read, thanks. I think i'm going to buy that book.


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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: StrangeAttractor]
    #653437 - 05/30/02 01:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I too have read James book and I have all of his tapes regarding mushrooms and mankind, shamanism, etc. I do believe that James is on too something. While I do not agree with everything that he has to say in his research, I do find much merit in his studies. ( He just needs better organizational skills of his materials) lol
I have not met the man but I have spoken to him on the phone ( after I ordered his tapes) and he was a very personable guy. He answered all of my questions and was a very polite guy.
I do not care what others have to say about JA because most of the time people will just ridicule him and his beliefs without researching it for themselves. He brings to light many discrepancies in modern Christianity, and religion in general. For that alone I thank him.
MExMUSH - I hope that you take the spark that has been lit inside you and let it take your studies past mushroom cultivation and go deeper into what mushrooms ( whether it be an Amanita , Cubies, or otherwise ) can teach you.
Please do not take what I am saying as me telling you what to do. I am just able to relate to the excitement when I learn something new and I ponder where the knowledge may take me. And I hope the same will continue to happen to you.


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Re: Best Read Ever! [Re: MexicanMushroom]
    #653997 - 05/30/02 05:49 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

There have been several attempts to place mushrooms, usually Amanita Muscaria, at the origins of many religions of Mankind. THE classic notion was written by R. Godon Wasson in 'Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality,' about the mushroomic origins of the Hindu Rig Vedas. Unfortunately, A. Muscaria just doesn't seem to produce the ecstatic states so descibed in these scriptures (one might venture that the sacred cows became sacred by virtue of dung-loving Psilocybins that magically sprung up from their cow-pies).

Andrija Puharich actually self-taught himself Egyptian hieroglyphics to prove that A. Muscaria was at the bottom of ancient Egyptian religion ("The Sacred Mushroom: Key to the Door of Eternity'). Again unfortunately, the mushroom didn't grow in the arid land, so speculation was that it came from woodlands in Syria.

The most far-fetched and untenable position is by J. Allegro in his 'The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross,' wherein he attempts to derive Christ Himself as a symbol for the A. Muscaria mushroom. Now it is true that ancient basilicas have turned up frescoes of the A. Muscaria as the Tree of the Fruit of Good and Evil; and mosaic floors depicting the 'shroom with snails (which supposedly ate the 'shroom and partially detoxified it, then people ate the snails). I myself have a framed drawing of the cover of the book 'The Apples of Apollo: The Pagan and Christian Mysteries of the Eucharist,' which was originally drawn by Christian mystic Jacob Boehme. It illustrate the Christian Trinity, with a mushroom in the center of a heart that represents Christ. There are other mushroom references in the illustration. Be that as it may, it is unlikely that mushrooms had anything to do with Judao-Christian religion.

There are books by Daniel Merkur on the 'manna' and 'shewbread' of Old Testament writings; and these notions of ergot-laden sacramental bread in a secret tradition that Jesus continued with until the priests took over Christianity and reserved the psychedelic for themselves, while mediating the insights to the masses with ordinary bread. Very entertaining, but not likely in first century Judea. If nothing more, Jesus (Y'shua) was a Jewish mystic of the prophetic tradition, and Annointed (enlightened) by Holy Consciousness [Spirit]. The only exception to possible psychedelics that I'm aware of is the reference to the inclusion of "calamus' in the 'holy annointing oil' that Moses and Aaron used on themselves and the ritual items in the tabernacle of the Ark. One author insists that it is not calamus, but cannabis, however, Acorus Calamus contains TMA - a mescaline precursor that is definately psychedelic in the true sense of the term.

Like Jacob Boehme, 400 years ago, and the even earlier Christians, those who have been graced with...yes, graced - with a truly mystical perception - and are seeking ways for integrating it into a Christian faith stance, will have to be creative and pioneering individuals. There is no historical precedence for grounding psychedelic/entheogenic experiences in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.
In a personal letter to me from Dr. Albert Hofmann, (Father of LSD), he said "...the LSD inebriation represnts the most comforting Truth of the Gospels." If this is true, it is our obligation to treat these "sacred drugs" with the respect that their highest use deserves. .

γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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