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OfflineMwhod
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Moisture problems
    #640869 - 05/22/02 08:15 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Hello all. Here a while back i started my first jars, mazatapec, on rye grass seed. I started 12 jars, 9 half quarts (about 500 ml) and 3 quart jars, using a 110 gram seed to 180 ml water, cooked at 45 minutes/15psi. I shook the jars the best i could, but the half quarts all were clumpy and a touch too wet. The quart jars shook better, and turned out to colonize more evenly and faster. But, 1 half quart jar i had contamed and was colonized well, had two black spots of some bad little mold. I took it out to experiment, broke the dirty mycelium off and ended up with 3 clumps, 2 smaller and 1 big. I placed this in a sterilized plastic beef jerkey bin, looks like a fish bowl octogan type deal with a plastic lid. I put some perlite in the bottom, mixed some water with it, and put the smaller clumps on peices of aluminum foil and the big clump on the lid of the jar. I immediately exposed to light, even though i noticed there was plain spots where i broke the contams off, where the seeds were packed tight then exposed. I left the lid on, but noticed the mycelium growing days after, including another black contam spot. Then i took the lid off and put a loose sheet of plastic to promote pinning since no pins have came up, but the mycelium is sitting and refuses. Also the spot has spread to other spots, and has about a big inch blob and probably full of mycelium eating spores its releasing in the air, so im going to toss outside if no pins in 2-3 more days. Another jar i had, had a contam in the middle but the cake was not fully colonized yet in the middle. I took the outside and any i could and made a tiny little part of a casing and topped with a peat/lime mix. The mycelium grew through the casing, wich was a little thick but not too much, and i exposed to light, but has a sheet of plastic on top keeping it humid inside until i see if any pins come up. Then i took 6 jars that were fully colonized, broke up into twopans that were 13" by 10" each, about 1 1/2 - 2 inches deep. I followed my grass seed tek and put a thin casing, about a quarter inch or 2/5 an inch deep. I made a thick substrate layer, using 2 quart cake and a half quart in one, and 2 half quarts and a quart in another, though it all turned out to be about the same thickness in the trays. I then covered with foil and stored for about 3-4 days, maybe 5, i dont remember ;p. My tek said once the white starts peeking through it is ready to be exposed to air and light, but i had big thick mycelium spots covering about 70% of the surface area in one tray, and about 60% in another. The one with 60% coverage isnt as thick on top as the other tray. When i cased, i accidently left my soil for 1 hour 30 minutes and dried it out in my heavy duty pressure cooker/canner. So i sprayed it after i first cased and covered, and it pulled the moisture good, but thats why the casings vary, becausae of a little dryness/wetness. But I cleaned my big blue bin (length: 18 " at botton, 20" at top, width: 14" at bottom, 16 1/2" at top, depth: 12 1/2"(it gets smaller at the bottom)), yesterday and put about a 1 1/2-2" perlite bottom and wet it with some boiled tap water with about 12 squirts of bleach water in a mister with a 20% bleach/water ratio i was using to clean the air with in my workspace (i wanted my perlite bottom clean as to not help distribute mold spores in the air). I can faintly smell the bleach, but dont think it really made an impact, but might be. But today i looked and my bin had alot of moisture, looked like a very wet enviroment, and the mycelium had acquired a heavy dew over them, big droplets on top. I just looked at it, and smelled it, and it does seem to have a stronger bleach smell than i thought =\. But, what should i fo to fix this situation? Its sitting in a very moist atmosphere still, but i have tried to take the plastic a little off to let out the moisture but it isnt working too well. Should i just leave me a big uncovered spot at the top to let out excess moisture, or should i dump the perlite and mix me up a very thin layer of perlite to promote moisture in the air while pinning? I am open to suggestions ;] . The lid to the bin is thick and blue, i was thinking i might be good to cut me a hole or two in the top to help distribute fresh air flow and reduce humidty from the thick perlite. I would think it wouldnt be a bad idea to put some holes in the side to distribute air flow, and cut a hole in the top to reduce moisture in the air, but i would rather avoid cutting the bin, because i can fan it as needed. When i put the cases into the bin i put a lamp with an average softwhite lightbulb about 8-12 " from the top of the bin for about 2 1/2 hours, and today i done the same, even though i think they will have to recover before pinning can begin to start. Any advice for the situation would be appreciated =] , i dont care if PMed or replied to in this post. lol, sorry about the big post, but i wanted to thorougly explain everything.


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Re: Moisture problems [Re: Mwhod]
    #641825 - 05/23/02 02:03 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I advise you re-write that with more structure... (paragraphs) maybe less words. Its too long and hurts my eyes. heh.

I dont wanna read through all that.


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Re: Moisture problems [Re: angryshroom]
    #644951 - 05/25/02 05:40 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

no kidding....I am pretty sure that I speak for everyone here when i say we all have short attention spans and little if no short term memory. If there is a question in there somewhere then please get to the point if you want anyone to help you.

I do not mean to be rude, I'd be happy to lend a helping green thumb!


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Re: Moisture problems [Re: Mwhod]
    #645006 - 05/25/02 06:31 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

yeah one looka t your post and I was like " I'm not going to read that "

It hurt my eyes trying to read your post.

sorry!!


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Re: Moisture problems [Re: Mwhod]
    #25147435 - 04/18/18 09:02 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

We'll. Before I started to drool and fell over from the sheer mass of that one-liner you've graciously blessed us with (haha *wink*) - I caught some of the info...I think.. So I'll try a stab at it:

Firstly... To help you out I'll summarize what you're trying to all so people can give you a response - correct me if I am inaccurate with admit of this:

You have used BRF cakes for 2 mini-bulks (approx 10"x13").
each are about identical but you used separate cakes for each - you didn't crumble all cakes and them mix each "box".

Covered with a casing - 1/4" maybe slightly more and then set to let grow for 3-5 days.

According to your tek once you see some mycelial growth peek through you are to set it in to fruiting  conditions?


Now you're seeing large droplets of water on your substrate/casing and the environment in general is "very very wet" .




Right off the top I would say this:

DONT PANIC - the best action sometimes it's too take no action!

If It is indeed too wet -
slow or stall your misting and increase fresh air exchange.


Get some pictures up here ASAP, make sure they are good quality and have one pic for the entire surface of each, a close-up of maybe some "areas of concern" and then wait for a response - I'm nowhere near as educated as 95% if the guys need gals here but the worst thing to do is panic and do something as a preventative or as damage control before you have a VERY good idea as to what - if ANY - the issue (s) could be :smile:

Pictures are a must here.


Some points I thought I'd mention:

It seems like you may be relatively new so perhaps you're mistaking what "very wet"  is?

Then again you should never have visible "water pools"  on your grow :smile:

Also I- 3-5 days seems like a pretty sorry time for your spawn - Brf cakes i this case - to fully colonize your substrate, but not totally crazy..

Bleach you mentioned? That it smelled like bleach? Is this just the term you're using when describing what everything smells like, or did you add bleach to your water? If so how much? That's potent stuff, brah :smile:


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Re: Moisture problems [Re: Langcology] * 1
    #25147526 - 04/18/18 10:24 AM (1 month, 5 days ago)

I don’t think this guy is going to take your advice, unless he gets in his Delorean, and transports back from 2002 to take your advice on a grow that has been done for 15 years.


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