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    #6387216 - 12/19/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: Epigallo]
    #6387263 - 12/19/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

it's fun to discover


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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: Cherk]
    #6387277 - 12/19/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I read a trip report jus the otherday where a guy had studied under grof. I'll try and dig it back up and post it here.

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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: Epigallo]
    #6387334 - 12/19/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I've done some breathwork both in combination with psychedelics and as standalone.

Instructions for breathwork are really very simple; you lie down on something soft, put eyeshades on and start to breathe as fast and as deep as you can. It will take a while before the breathing becomes autonomous and continues to carry you on by itself – until it does, it’s important to force yourself to breath. It’s also important to have a loud and expressive music in the background in order to modulate the experience successfully. The session usually last a couple of hours and it is wise to have a bucket, some towels and a sitter present, because the experience can get deep and intense.


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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #6387550 - 12/19/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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redtailedhawk said:
I've done some breathwork both in combination with psychedelics and as standalone.

Instructions for breathwork are really very simple; you lie down on something soft, put eyeshades on and start to breathe as fast and as deep as you can. It will take a while before the breathing becomes autonomous and continues to carry you on by itself – until it does, it’s important to force yourself to breath. It’s also important to have a loud and expressive music in the background in order to modulate the experience successfully. The session usually last a couple of hours and it is wise to have a bucket, some towels and a sitter present, because the experience can get deep and intense.


Interesting. How would you compare the stand-alone breathwork experience to, say, a moderate dose of psilocybin or ayahuasca? Is there any overlap in terms of intensity, perceptual changes, etc?


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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: Lion]
    #6388139 - 12/19/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

That doesn't sound healthy? Any good links for stuff like this?


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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: Lion]
    #6388327 - 12/19/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

IME, it depends on many factors. Sometimes psilocybin will be way more intense, other times, breathwork (redtailedhawk describes it excellently) can propel you into the deepest of realms. The only notable difference is that the hallucinogens often induce open eyed visuals. I guess you could get that with breathwork too, but it seems far more rare.


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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: dblaney]
    #6388635 - 12/19/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Hrmm I attended a kundalini yoga class where they did some SERIOUS breathing. The teacher was going full force like what you were saying. I could not hardly put out any of the force and speed he could. I started getting extremely light headed and felt like I was going to pass out. What do you recommend for that?


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    #6393803 - 12/21/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: ck10n3]
    #6393819 - 12/21/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Not too sure at all. In holotropic breathwork you should be lying down, which should help prevent that sort of thing. If you were doing pranayama, were you sitting up?

Basically all you have to do is lie down, let go of everything, and hyperventilate (music is useful and even important). Maybe you were breathing TOO hard? Try easing up a little bit.


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Breathing Highs [Re: Epigallo]
    #6393824 - 12/21/06 12:05 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Yogic breathing, or pranayama, can induce changes in consciousness also. You might enjoy practicing that.

As for monitoring your breath, doing that could detract from the experience, as you wouldn't be able to fully let go and release into the experience.


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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