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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6434471 - 01/07/07 11:49 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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elsig said: i find snooping around to be a worse crime than beein a gartner which shouldnt be a crime. he grew a plant, your parents was sneaking in his stuff. .
He didn't say they were snooping.
The home owners are at some risk by having a tenant who is growing marijuana in their house because in actuality it is a crime.
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elsig said: they shouldnt rent to anyone else before they get some damn moral
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: TheHateCamel]
#6434512 - 01/07/07 12:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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,well maybe usa is diffrent than here, but they broke into his apartment. he just grew some weed. around here tentant has risked a fine and the landlords has risked jail. breaking into someones apartment is a worse crime. if they was so concerned for the plants when they see one outside they should have either confronted him there or called the cops and not breaked into his apartment.tentants have rights, what if he had somethin else legal inside that he didnt want anyone else to see -growing weed doesnt make you a hardcore crimninal exactly, just an ordinary person,who happens to grow a illegal plantl. but breaking in is beeing close to thiefs and thiefs have no moral.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6434646 - 01/07/07 01:15 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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elsig said: ,well maybe usa is diffrent than here, but they broke into his apartment. he just grew some weed. around here tentant has risked a fine and the landlords has risked jail. breaking into someones apartment is a worse crime. if they was so concerned for the plants when they see one outside they should have either confronted him there or called the cops and not breaked into his apartment.tentants have rights, what if he had somethin else legal inside that he didnt want anyone else to see -growing weed doesnt make you a hardcore crimninal exactly, just an ordinary person,who happens to grow a illegal plantl. but breaking in is beeing close to thiefs and thiefs have no moral.
Yeah, it's probably much different.
They didn't break into his house, they entered their house that he was renting after finding maijuana plants outside.
They could have just called the cops and he would be doing 10-20 now.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: TheHateCamel]
#6434677 - 01/07/07 01:27 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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well ok, here tentants have rights and is protected by law and landlords doesnt have the right to enter and act as law officers. only cops with search warrants can enter your house to search it. rented or owned. And land lords cant be held responsible for what tentats do of criminal activity in their own place here either.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6435271 - 01/07/07 04:32 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm I'm reading a lot of mixed opinions here. Are those who are claiming my parents are criminals live in the U.S.?
Let's think of it another way then. Say my parents found out, and continue to let the person grow pot. Not only do they live less than half a mile away from an elementary school (a drug free school zone) but they'd also be letting someone grow an illegal substance on their property with their knowledge. In the case that the tenant gets busted, he can pin the blame on my parents in addition to getting definite jail time for cultivating an illegal substance near a school. Everyone loses.
Perhaps in different countries growing pot is only a minor offense, but in the US it is much more serious. To all of you who do live in the US and say "it is only a plant" get real! "Only a plant" still means thousands in legal fees, probation, and/or jail time.
The rationale used by my parents was this. Because an illegal substance was seen in plain view, allowed them to enter the building to further investigate. It is the same as finding a pool of blood outside leading into your rented property; you will continue to investigate. The other option, of course, is the call the police.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: daba]
#6435648 - 01/07/07 05:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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The tenant should be happy the cops were not called.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: KaptKid]
#6435891 - 01/07/07 06:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Are those who are claiming my parents are criminals live in the U.S.?
Yes. They illegally entered a man's home and trespassed against him. That is criminal. Being landlords they should know that.
> Say my parents found out, and continue to let the person grow pot.
Then they would be guilty of conspiracy to manufacture if it could be proven that they knew about it.
> half a mile away from an elementary school...
Laws are usually 500 or 300 feet, sometimes 1000, not a half mile.
> Because an illegal substance was seen in plain view, allowed them to enter the building to further investigate.
Not a valid reason. Your parents are not police. The argument also contradicts itself, if they already saw something illegal then there is no reason to trespass in order to investigate.
If you see a crime happen you can stop it or even make a citizen's arrest. But you can't just see something and then decide to "investigate". It would be like if I smelled MJ at my neighbor's door and decided to kick it down and "investigate" all through their personal stuff looking for weed.
Your parents had 4 legal options and they did none of them...
1. They could have called the cops. 2. They could have evicted the tenant for having weed plants on the property. 3. They could have pretended they didn't see anything. 4. They could have asked him to leave or evicted him for another reason.
Now they are in a bit of a bind. If they come clean about the whole thing and kick the tenant out he may clean up his place then sue your parents for trespassing and unlawful entry, even unlawful eviction. All the while he will either continue to live in his place or check into a motel and bill your parents for it.
He did something that was illegal but not morally wrong (gardening). Your parents did something that was both illegal and morally wrong. So they really need to ask themselves if they have the moral authority to throw a man out of his home considering the situation.
So now they could forget the whole thing ever happened or evict the tenant making no mention that they broke into his place. If they call the cops they will end up on the stand, under oath, either admitting that they broke into his place or lying under oath (perjury).
They have committed a crime and the best thing to do after committing a crime is cover it up as best you can and forget it ever happened. Personally I would have no problem erasing the incident from my mind. If nobody saw them enter the place then there is no real way anyone could ever prove that they knew about the secret garden. OTOH if they care about committing a crime rather than just the proof of a crime then they should evict the guy.
Technically it's already a crime at this point since they saw weed plants and didn't report it. Even though it's morally wrong to throw the guy out, that's probably what they should do.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: fastfred]
#6436893 - 01/07/07 10:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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fastfred,
I've been trying not to get personal about this but I do not appreciate you continually calling my parents criminals. You do not even know them, and if your parents did such a thing, would you have the gut to call your own parents criminals?
Secondly, I think they did the guy a big favor by letting him off the hook like that and I think the vast majority of people here agree with me. If you were in his position I think you would be grateful too, like most rational people would be, let alone sue. Are you kidding me? Do you think my parents deserve jail time? Or a big fine for letting someone who was doing something illegal on their property? It may be gardening but it is still illegal in the U.S.
Your mentality is what continues to give life to the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished". Someone shows a bit of grace and here you are chastising someone you don't even know about their morals. The tenant has been evicted and guess what, he's apologetic and grateful that they didn't call the police.
I'm sure things would have gone much better if they were more "moral" according to you fred. How about calling the police and giving the guy jail time, is that more moral to you?
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: daba]
#6437158 - 01/08/07 01:36 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, it's good that they didn't call the cops. I'm sure that they're not bad people, but they were wrong to invade someone's home, there's just no getting around that. It was both morally wrong and illegal.
I'm not saying that the guy would be right to sue them considering that he was given a break, but it's a possibility that your parents should be aware of.
What if the plants outside had turned out to be something else and there was nothing inside? If they knew for sure what the outside plants were then there was no reason to go inside, and if they weren't sure then it would be very unwise to break the law to find out.
I'm just pointing out the logical, moral, and legal errors they made so that they might make smarter choices in the future. You posted here for advice, so don't complain when you don't like the advice that you're given.
Peace out.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: fastfred]
#6438384 - 01/08/07 02:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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is he really harming anyone?
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: daba]
#6438481 - 01/08/07 02:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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daba said: fastfred,
I've been trying not to get personal about this but I do not appreciate you continually calling my parents criminals. You do not even know them, and if your parents did such a thing, would you have the gut to call your own parents criminals?
Secondly, I think they did the guy a big favor by letting him off the hook like that and I think the vast majority of people here agree with me. If you were in his position I think you would be grateful too, like most rational people would be, let alone sue. Are you kidding me? Do you think my parents deserve jail time? Or a big fine for letting someone who was doing something illegal on their property? It may be gardening but it is still illegal in the U.S.
Your mentality is what continues to give life to the phrase "no good deed goes unpunished". Someone shows a bit of grace and here you are chastising someone you don't even know about their morals. The tenant has been evicted and guess what, he's apologetic and grateful that they didn't call the police.
I'm sure things would have gone much better if they were more "moral" according to you fred. How about calling the police and giving the guy jail time, is that more moral to you?
the moral thing to do would be to mind their own buisness. You can argue with how hard and unusual punishment usa have for marijuana growing, since the justice system is like it is of course the person was glad that your parents did not call the police. to me its like beeing hold under gunpoint and your grateful because the shooter did not fire the gun. Moral is nothing based on us laws, its a universal thing. certain things in life I hope humans are still able to think for themself and one of those things is if you break into someones house you are doing something wrong. I wish people could be more able to think for themself and dont be a sheep to the system all the time. There is nothing that will make me think your parents did the correct thing here. And thats just the way I see it , if you dont like my honest opinon than ignore it.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6438499 - 01/08/07 02:54 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you are all missing the point... The fucking idiot tenant left weed plants outside in plain view. He should be doing jail time for being so stupid, but this guy's parents did him a solid... Plus, who would want someone so stupid and careless living in their building.
I'm no lawyer, but I think landlords CAN and DO enter their own properties for certain circumstances... Seeing illegal plants OUTSIDE is probably one of them. That's why you should never grow herbs on rented property.
Your parents did the right thing, 100%.
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RoosterCogburn said: I think you are all missing the point... The fucking idiot tenant left weed plants outside in plain view. He should be doing jail time for being so stupid,
i dont know whats more stupid, what he did or beliving what you just wrote.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6438557 - 01/08/07 03:15 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is it so stupid?
He SHOULD be serving time for growing illegal plants. I personally don't think he should, but if those plants were spotted by LEO or someone else who may be anti-drug, the guy would be in lock up as we speak.
Secondly, it's this guys parent's property. They can do whatever they want and rent it to whomever they choose. They chose to evict the guy without ruining his record or sending him to jail...
How is this in any way 'stupid'?
And for all you smartypants detractors (elsig and fastfred), how would YOU have handled the same situation? If you would have called the cops, please log off and never come back. If not, you would have left the IDIOT live there? It would only be a matter of time until he got caught for real... Then you are BOTH fucked.
People seem to be getting pissed about the landlords entering the property, but that's the deal when you RENT... If you want to grow buds, own your home.
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I wouldnt care but im in eu and i grow pot myself, was caught with 10 plants two years ago and got 400 dollars fine, its a minor crime here unless you have a large setup. so yes i would let the idiot live there. no way im i gonna die knowing i threw a man on the street for growing plants.
beeing stupid shouldnt be a reason to be in jail was all i was saying, you saying he should be in jail and also your saying he shouldnt , what is it. do you think all that smoke marijuana should be in jail too since its illegal? since im not american i only speak from a moral point of view here, i can relate to the situation but it doesnt make it right,.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6439506 - 01/08/07 08:09 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi everyone.
Fastfred: I asked for advice but I you can voice your opinion without labeling them as criminals or comparing them to rapists. They are well aware that this person may sue and that's a risk they have agreed to take.
elsig: He didn't get thrown out on the streets. He is now living with his parents. He was a nice person and my parents liked him. He got away with no record and no jail time; finding another place for him to live will be fine with the record he had before he moved in.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6439926 - 01/08/07 09:52 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, I think you misunderstood my context. I obviously don't think he should be in jail. I'd be growing myself if I had the space. I was only pointing out that in 9 cases out of 10 in this insane country, he WOULD have gone to jail or at least faced some hefty charges. I said SHOULD meaning that in any other case, he should have...
Who cares... I'm going to go smoke a bowl and play COD3.
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just tell them to tell him exactly what they saw, and exactly what they thought and intend to do: not call the police, but give the eviction notice. that is a totally respectable deal.
The grower cant get mad at your parents at all. All he can do is respect the fact that they decided to keep the unjust laws out of it and accept that it is entirely his own carelessness that brought upon him having to find a new place to live. Next time he will decide against setting any plants outside.
give your parents props for not being douche bags about it.
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: elsig]
#6467931 - 01/16/07 10:16 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its not about whether or not the guy should be able to grow pot, its about the reality. The reality is that its illegal and his parents are at risk. They gave the guy a much better chance than many people would, and its nice to see that at least
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Re: Tenant found growing pot [Re: CUBErt]
#6468032 - 01/16/07 10:43 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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reality is that they broke in, but like people have said ,usa is diffrent than here , i didnt know it was so bad that people who rent out space can get in trouble for what tentant does so then its understandable and i agree that they did the right thing except breakin in which wasnt necesarry since they allready seen a pot plant.
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