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Hendostan


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aw shucks
did they find the other two yet?
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Maverick
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I don't understand, if they had a big enough shelter for 3 to stay in, why they split apart. Now all three of them are dead. (At least, I don't see any way the other 2 are alive, it's believed they fell down into the gullies and were buried and died.
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lysergicide
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It's truly a shame.
I don't think the National Guard is doing it's job either. We have 3 innocent people dying on a mountain from not only starvation but from the cold aswell, and they continuiously take their time, and then go home everyday at around sunset.
They say that it's "too dangerous" for them to go deep into the night and in big numbers.
That isn't acceptable -- this is the National Guard we're talking about. These are people we expect to rise one notch above ordinary and to be the heroes we expect them to be. What if the firefighters never rushed into the World Trade Center and risked their lives for all those people, or if the Allied soldiers backed away from the beaches of Normandy? What if that teacher in Columbine never sacrificed his life to save so many of his students?
These are lives at stake. There is no time to be wasted. I would expect a full-scale search and rescue operation. I don't care how much money is involved -- to save a life, well, there is no price on that.
And I don't care if people survived a lot longer time before prior to this occurence -- that doesn't mean this should be approached the same way. That doesn't mean that these will survive too.
but if I'm missing something, go ahead and fill me in.
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Maverick
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No reason to launch a full scale search when their chance of being alive is pretty much 0%. No reason to risk more lives for people who they view as 'already dead'.
The national guard still consists of individuals, and I know I wouldn't want to be up on that mountain at night. Temperatures are dropping to below 0 up there easily.
Also, think about the location. They aren't in a valley, they're on a very steep clacier on a mountain 11,000+ feet in the air. It would be irresponsible and deadly to force people to work at night up there. That's why the hikers died, why make the national guard do the same?
Also, I never expected the national guard to be my hero... They aren't a notch above society, they're just people, and I'd never place them higher than me...
Edited by DRTMaverick (12/19/06 01:12 PM)
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Cherk
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at least it wasn't the 9 to 5
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Gr8fulJ420
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Climbers take some very heady risks to undertake their sport. They know it - their families know it. The public only knows it when there are big climbing disaster stories (ala, the bad Everest season a few years back). These weren't just a couple of hikers out for a little jaunt in the mountains. They were undertaking a dangerous climb at a questionable time of year. They thought they were prepared, but everything can change in an instant when you're pitting yourself against a mountain.
My heart goes out to the climbers and their families, but they are not unaware of the risks they choose to place themselves in. That is the nature of the sport.
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Maverick
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Well they planned it out to be out of there before the storm hit, but weather can do a lot of weird things, and they didn't have the gear for extreme weather, just what they were originally hiking. It's sad... but that's also why I always carry all my gear, because you never know.
I was lost in Desolation Wilderness for a few days at Tahoe, I even got a helicopter ride out of there. I used a CD from my portable CD player as a mirror.
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Quote:
DRTMaverick said: Well they planned it out to be out of there before the storm hit, but weather can do a lot of weird things, and they didn't have the gear for extreme weather, just what they were originally hiking. It's sad... but that's also why I always carry all my gear, because you never know.
I was lost in Desolation Wilderness for a few days at Tahoe, I even got a helicopter ride out of there. I used a CD from my portable CD player as a mirror.
that's McGyver shit right thurr 
good to see you made it out in one piece
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