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McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story
    #6386829 - 12/19/06 04:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Shows McVeigh was in military receiving instruction in "explosives and demolition" over a year after official story says he was discharged, whistleblower harassed for years while unknowingly in possession of bombshell tape

Prison Planet | December 18, 2006
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones

A video that shows Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh at a U.S. military base that specializes in explosives and demolition training over a year after he supposedly left the army puts the official story of the April 19 1995 federal building bombing under serious doubt and mandates a re-opening of an investigation into the terror attack that killed 168 people.

The video was released by Bill Bean, a film producer who has suffered intense surveillance and harassment since taking the footage, and is the subject of a February 2007 Hustler Magazine feature story.

On August 3rd 1993, Bean was given a tour of the Camp Grafton military facility in North Dakota as part of a research effort to scout possible shooting locations for a film he was working on. Bean met the Camp Superintendent Col. Dahl and was permitted to film every location he visited.



Bean takes up the story, "I videotaped all locations as possible future shot sites even if there was no actual scene written for that location. Mess Hall, Rec Room, Armory, etc. About an hour into the tour we passed by a long row of tanks and I was informed these had been used in the Gulf War. In fact I believe I was told there were captured tanks there also. While videotaping and viewing this location, two soldiers began to offload what I was told was an armored personnel carrier from a flatbed. One soldier driving the other directing from the ground. I watched them for a moment and then did a slow 360 with my camera and came back to them."

Given permission to board the tank, Bean walked over and pointed the camera inside, at which point one of the soldiers turned around and, appearing somewhat shocked to see the camera, uttered a brief response to Bean's question and attempted to push past him.

That individual has now been positively identified to be Timothy McVeigh, who according to the official timeline as endorsed by the FBI, was honorably discharged from the military for the last time in May 1992. And yet he is seen here on tape at a U.S. military base over a year after that date in August of 1993.

"I did not realize how significant what I had was, for many years," states Bean, "It was not until Mcveigh's trial that I realized it was Mcveigh in the tank. Even then the larger point escaped me. That point is, McVeigh was not supposed to be in the military at that time. His military record shows him enlisting in 1988, being honorably discharged from the Army, on Dec. 31, 1991. His records then show he was in the Army reserve in Buffalo New York, from January 1992 until May 1992, he was then honorably discharged from the Army reserve. After May of 1992 he was never again in uniform on any base anywhere, never again part of the military. He was totally out of military service. The FBI states the only time they lose track of McVeigh, in his entire life, is the late summer of 93. They think he was somewhere between Kingman Arizona and Decker Michigan. Probably at gun shows, meeting antigovernment rightwing militia types. But he wasn't, he was at Camp Grafton, in uniform, learning explosives and demolition!"

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To confirm that the individual in the tape was indeed McVeigh, Bean presented the video to Prof. Blomgren of the University of Utah, who then undertook a voice forensics analysis. The results produced an 86% match for the voice characteristics heard in the video compared to those taken from a 60 Minutes interview with McVeigh.

Though in a response to Hustler the North Dakota National Guard denied McVeigh was ever present at Camp Grafton, they did confirm that demolitions training is part of the regimen at the facility.

Bean provided us with a list of suspicious telephone calls, examples of harassment and surveillance that he had been targeted for in the seven year period after filming McVeigh, starting in 1994. Much of the surveillance and spying occurred even before Bean became aware that he had filmed Timothy McVeigh.

"On Wed June 19th 2002, my mother who lived with me was talking to a relative in Washington state. The relative said the line sounded “strange” my mother said “Yea, the phone is tapped!” At that point the phone went dead," claims Bean.

"Or, look at January 14th Tues 2003. We lived on the third floor of an apt. building. A green station wagon, Illinois plates HYB115, parked down two doors and sat there with the engine on. For over 25 minutes a woman sat in the driver's seat looking up in our window. All the while she kept a running dialogue with someone who wasn't there. She held a device, thin, dark plastic or metal up to her mouth and then would read something on it. She did this for more than 25 minutes. When my mother who was suffering from cancer, walked into the room, I whispered in her ear what was happening. Being a sick old woman she said out loud, “who is looking in our window from a car?” At that point the woman shoved the car in gear and sped away tires screeching!”



The fact that McVeigh was still involved with the U.S. army long after his supposed honorable discharge only amplifies long-standing questions that severely undermine the official explanation behind the Oklahoma City bombing.

- In early April 1995 a Ryder truck identical to the one used in the bombing was filmed by a pilot during an overflight of of an area near Camp Gruber-Braggs , Oklahoma. A June 17th, 1997 Washington Post article authenticates the photos as being exactly what they appear to be, photos of a Ryder truck in a clandestine base at Camp Gruber-Braggs. Why were the military in possession of a Ryder truck housed in a remote clandestine army base days before the Alfred P. Murrah bombing?



- In a 1993 letter to his sister, McVeigh claimed that he was approached by military intelligence and had joined an "elite squad of government paid assassins." McVeigh often contradicted himself and changed his story on a whim to fit in with the latest government version of events. Is the Camp Grafton footage evidence of McVeigh's enrollment in such a clandestine program?

- The August 1993 footage neatly fills in an unexplained gap in McVeigh' timeline that even the FBI cannot explain. Was this gap deliberately left ignored to avoid a probe into McVeigh's activities at Camp Grafton?

- The FBI claimed McVeigh scouted the Alfred P. Murrah building weeks before the bombing and yet on the morning of the attack he stopped at a local gas station to ask directions.

- Multiple reports of Arabs at the scene assisting McVeigh were ignored and surveillance tapes were withheld under national security. The likely reason for this was the fact that Bush senior and Clinton were responsible for bringing in nearly 1,000 Iraqi soldiers captured by U.S. forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, some of whom were involved in the bombing.

- Original reports of two explosions and several failed devices being defused by bomb squads were buried by the establishment as the official explanation that McVeigh acted alone was pushed.

- Many eyewitnesses reported that bomb squads in full reaction gear were seen around the building immediately before the blast.


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Re: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story [Re: buckwheat]
    #6386905 - 12/19/06 04:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

So anyone think it looks like him? I would like the hear more about this Match they got from the University forensics professor.


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Re: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story [Re: buckwheat]
    #6386940 - 12/19/06 05:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story [Re: buckwheat]
    #6388285 - 12/19/06 11:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

at the bottom of the prison planet article is the report he gave them. his conclusion:

"It is difficult, or even impossible, to conclude that two voice recordings, based on different utterances, recorded in different places and/or contexts, and at different times are absolutely the same person... Having stated that limitation however, one can still make highly reasonable and compelling judgements about the similarity of the two speech samples, especially when both perceptual and acousitic data correlate, as they do in the present comparison.

In the above detailed voice comparison, there was no obvious indication that the two submitted speech samples were produced by two different speakers. In fact, the weight of the combined aural-perceptual and acoustic data appears to indicate a relatively good match. In my professional opinion, there is a reasonable likelihood that the same speaker produced the two submitted speech samples."

the guy on the tape bears a resemblence to mcveigh. it could be him, but it doesn't prove it. it's unlikely when you consider everything.

why would he be hanging out moving APC's around on a north dakota national guard base if the federal government was secretly training him to bomb them? why go though the pains of planting him in a national guard base, where everything gets recorded, and exposing him to hundreds of people, if he could be trained at a secret location by a small team of handlers? (the base they say he was at does not "specialize in explosives and demolition." they imagined that part. wishful thinking on their part - they do that a lot.) why assign him to routine tasks like parking APC's?

if he was really a government agent, what was his personal motive? he did die in this thing after all. was he so commited to the vast conpiracy that he gave his life for it? was he also that accomplished of an actor, making all those anti-government statements while secretly willing to die for them? why did they allow him to be caught at all? wouldn't it better serve the great conspiracy if he was at large?

and like 9/11, too many people would have had to have been in on it to keep it quiet, especially if he was hanging out at a military base for no reason.

it just doesn't add up.


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Re: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story [Re: buckwheat]
    #6389075 - 12/20/06 05:55 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

> The results produced an 86% match for the voice characteristics heard in the video compared to those taken from a 60 Minutes interview with McVeigh.

Which means if you tested 100 random people, 14 of those people would match up equal to the mystery person on the tape.

> Much of the surveillance and spying occurred even before Bean became aware that he had filmed Timothy McVeigh.

Eh? So he noticed that people were spying on him, and then decided to figure out what it is they were after? Why didn't they just take it, if they knew he had it, and he didn't know he had it? Somebody has seen "enemy of the state" one too many times, perhaps?

> At that point the woman shoved the car in gear and sped away tires screeching!”

Riiiighhhhtt..... super secret spy agency is soooo advanced that they can blow up buildings without getting caught, but they can't keep somebody from noticing that they are watching?

> The relative said the line sounded “strange” my mother said “Yea, the phone is tapped!” At that point the phone went dead"

Yep... again, super secret spy agency cannot tap a line so that the listener cannot tell. And when the listener calls them on it, rather than continue to listen, they "cut" the line.

This guy is nuttier than a fruitcake.


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Re: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story [Re: Seuss]
    #6390739 - 12/20/06 05:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I dont think it's McVeigh either for the same reasons.They could have just taken the tape and be done with it. Even if it is him it's not hard to put say 9/03 or whatever on a tape.

But as for Mcveigh having to be a part of some grand scheme. Thats not necessarily true. Ever heard of dupes? Dupes aren't hollywood fantasy.


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Re: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story [Re: buckwheat]
    #6392967 - 12/21/06 05:57 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

> But as for Mcveigh having to be a part of some grand scheme.

I have no idea on this thesis. I was only debating the credibility of the guy with paranoia. I didn't mean for my comments to be applied towards any kind of conspiracy regarding McVeigh. Rather, I was trying to show that the guy in the story was a bit looney.


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Re: McVeigh Video Destroys OKC Bombing Official Story [Re: buckwheat]
    #6395097 - 12/21/06 10:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

read "american terrorist"
good book about mcveigh


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