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What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars?
    #6384111 - 12/18/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I seem to have some trouble getting the moisture content right in my wbs jars. They usually end up too wet. I feel like my process is actually overcautious to avoid wet jars, but i guess not. here's how it goes:
1.)rinse WBS until water is clean after stirring for a few minutes, removing floaters in the process.

2.)Let soak for 24 hours

3.)Strain wbs and let sit in the strainer for 30 minutes. I also tip the strainer to one side to help the water drain out of the side.

4.)After 30 minutes in strainer, stir up wbs and put into big bowl.

5.)Fill quart jars about 2/3 of the way by using jars to scoop wbs out of bowl and then spooning in more if they need it.

6.)Add knifes tip of gypsum.

7.)Apply top in this order: Tyvek/lid/2x coffee filters/ring/aluminum foil held on by elastic, and now I've been using an elastic to hold the coffee filters on instead of the ring.

8.) PC for 2hrs and allow too cool until pressure is gone and pc is cool to the touch.

9.)Pull quart jars out and shake before putting in bureau drawer for at least 12hrs.

It's at that point that I notice that a lot of my jars have at least some standing water at the bottom. So I'm thinking of adding a small amount of verm to each batch to help with water control. I know if I do it right the water content should be fine, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong for the life of me. So what would be a good ratio of verm to wbs and what does everyone think of adding a little verm to the mix? I was thinking of adding a very small amount of verm and working my way up. Something like a 1:20 ratio.


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: cookeman]
    #6384217 - 12/18/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Hell with verm in a jar.
It makes spawn GLITTER.

Once soaked, rinsed & into a colander.
Dump colander into a big pan.
Use a BLOW DRYER.
Stir wbs & blow.
Until grains appear dry.
Load jars :grin: :tongue:


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: agar]
    #6384380 - 12/18/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

sounds good. I just remembered some other people bitching about the gold flakes sticking to jars. That would definitely suck. I like the blow dryer idea. Thanks


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: cookeman]
    #6384456 - 12/18/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed. Surface moisture is the problem. That's why I boil after the soak. The grains are hot when poured into the colander, so they steam dry as well as drain. Steam, blow dryer, towel, it's all good as long as the exterior of the grains are dry when jars are loaded.
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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: cookeman]
    #6384457 - 12/18/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I lay them out, then blot with paper towel, shake and mix, then blot again if needed. This is after the soak, simmer, into collandar, rinse, and drain for 20-30 min. The rinse is also with the hottest water I can get from the tap as the evaporation helps to dry them.

I think the right point is when they appear dry as in you can see they are plump and juicy, but they don't leave hardly any moisture on your hands when you handle them, and they 'pour smoothly'. Mine also seem drier after they go through the pc for an hour or so.

Also, this is for LC/syringe, and slightly more moist for g2g/spore print.

For lids: tyvek, lid (with two 1/4 inch holes), ring, aluminum foil. Foil gets replaced with coffee filter and rubber band in sterile environment after inoculation. The filter is good for writing strain and date on.

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: cookeman]
    #6384590 - 12/18/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I have great sucess with a 1/2 cup of verm per qt jar but I never had water standing in the bottom of the jar.

Will have to try the blow dryer thing. Good tip.


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: KaptKid]
    #6384639 - 12/18/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I also have trouble with the moisture content on wbs,That is why I don't use it very often and I use rye instead.I did use verm to balance out a cracked corn grow a while back and I can confirm that is is a royal pain in the ass to get off of your jars,I think some of those jars still have verm glittering on them :mad:

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: Blutjager]
    #6384680 - 12/18/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I was just saying in another post, 1 TBSP of verm per a quart had done my friend with moisture control problems wonders. OR as others have suggested improve your procedures for preparing WBS.

IME no blower, no towels, just set and stir a inside the strainer every 15mins or so and let the arid climate here do the work (25-30% rh here). Patience helps a lot. I don't think most people really let there WBS dry for an hour before putting in jars and if you stir it a few times in the hour.

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: rawtoxic]
    #6384694 - 12/18/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps wbs is just to much of a pain ? :blush:


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: rawtoxic]
    #6384699 - 12/18/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Ha,

No 25% Rh here in the pacific northwest of north america. Hence the paper towels.

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: Grogan]
    #6384970 - 12/18/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Perhaps wbs is just to much of a pain ? :blush:




I have used a TON of WBS.
Frugal, efficient spawn.

PetsMart 40 lbs @ $8
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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: agar]
    #6385019 - 12/18/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I like the method where you boil pot of water then pour WBS in it then remove from heat, soak an hour covered, then rinse then load up. The jars are just slightly on the dry side, but allows for larger injections of LC to make up for it, and lower colonization times.

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: dalorean88]
    #6385153 - 12/19/06 01:07 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

AGAR- I'm colonizing some wbs ... the same brand you have pictured and another brand .... I've noticed every bag of that petsmart brand wbs has extremely large seeds... they're twice the size of other brands of wbs.... do you think that myc would travel through the bigger seed faster? I've got different strains colonizing in the big and small seeds so I probably wont be able to tell conclusively if there is a difference

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: boogertool]
    #6385267 - 12/19/06 02:45 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

BirdBasics is primarily sorghum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorghum

Many other brands are primarily millet.
(much smaller seeds)

I often buy bulk bird seed from WINCO.
By the pound, cheap.
It is primarily millet.

A mix of the 2, works great.

I like a mix of large & small seeds.
Reason being.
Some absorb more, some less.
Some quicker, some slower.
The combination makes for a more forgiving moisture content.


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: agar]
    #6385525 - 12/19/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Does the Bird Basics you get have cracked corn in it?

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: shobimono]
    #6385616 - 12/19/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Does the Bird Basics you get have cracked corn in it?




Only a tiny bit.


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: ]
    #6386194 - 12/19/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You're misinterpreting the cause and effect relationship here.

There's no way one type of grain requires more gas exchange than another.

The only thing that requires gas exchange, is mycelium itself.  The reason then a colonizing jar of WBS might then have a higher requirement tells you there's more mycelium growing.  That is a good thing.  WBS is more digested than corn and the growth is thicker.  Ever notice how when its time to spawn your corn, right after breaking it up, the mycelium practically disappears and it doesn't even look like its colonized anymore?  (That happens to an extent with all grains, though its most pronounced on corn - should tell you something!)  The end result of denser growth in WBS is superior spawn.

Your corn jars would likely colonize even quicker and more completely given a proper filter lid set up.  If you've found a way to colonize them while skimping on that step, cool I guess... stick with what works for you.

On the other hand WBS is what works for me, and I do like the steep method: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629 - much quicker than a soak.  Leaves your grains on the dry side, so you don't have to be super careful about draining them well or that they be dry to the touch... any moisture on the surface "cooks in" during the PC process and things balance out nicely.  No more than an hour of time from when you take the WBS out of the bag until you're ready to put loaded jars in the PC.  Works for me :thumbup:

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: ]
    #6386303 - 12/19/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Holy smokes, after doing a TON of wbs spawn over the years.



Now, you tell me p/corn is better....... :calledajoke:

Suggest you study up more, about gas exchange & how to make that happen.

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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: agar]
    #6387771 - 12/19/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I actually had a conversation with someone the other day about using a blow dryer. Good to know it was actually feasible and not pointless babble.

Additionally, longer drying times can be helpful. I would recommend an hour of drying. The difference between a half-hour and a full hour is significant. During this time you should stir the grains a few times with a spatula or large spoon. This will free up pockets of moisture, allowing the grains to drain completely.


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Re: What's everyones opinion on adding verm to wbs jars? [Re: soulsizzle]
    #6387826 - 12/19/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

blow dryer seems like a good idea. Could speed up the process alot.
gonna try it out on my next grow. Thanks again agar


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