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Dr. uarewotueat
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Your Personal Experience Of Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms. 1
#6375589 - 12/15/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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wot combinations of psilocybe mushrooms have u tried? and wot were the effects? 
ive tried the following in several different combinations, including all 4 at once. semilanceata, cubensis dutch king, cubensis golden teacher & cubensis thai koh samui.
the effects were pretty awesome, all combinations contained semilanceata. i got the really strong bendy visuals, walls breathing etc from the semilanceata and really nice flashes of colour, rainbows in my peripheral vision etc from the cubensis. in combination it made for a really nice, but strong, visual experience.
long periods of pixelated vision, triggered by looking at a tv screen usualy! anyone else get that? if u dont know wot i mean, its like seeing everything in little squares and grids  thats the best effect i got from mixing them anyway 
so all in all it was less of a head fuck and more colourful then eating semilanceata alone, which is wot i usually take.
just curious to see wot others have tried.
EDIT: title edited to make it MORE clear wot this thread is about due to the fact that some dumbass dosent get it! so dont bother to post in here if u dont have an experience to share, please.
Edited by uarewotueat (12/17/06 03:03 AM)
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6375606 - 12/15/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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ive combined cubes and copes before. Cube trip seems to be more chilled out, more body feeling than copes, which i think give a greater mental effect. Just my opinion though.
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6375608 - 12/15/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always thought that psilocybin was psilocybin, but I suppose if you are sensetive enought to feel the difference between the mushrooms from the rest of the mushroom, it could be something?
I don't know, what would the difference be?
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: 789andIeatyou]
#6375666 - 12/15/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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789andIeatyou said: I always thought that psilocybin was psilocybin, but I suppose if you are sensetive enought to feel the difference between the mushrooms from the rest of the mushroom, it could be something?
I don't know, what would the difference be?
psilocybin isnt the only active chemical in psilocybe mushrooms. they contain psilocyn obviously and some have baeocystin also. so perhaps the different levels of those also produce different effects. in my experience semilanceata and cubensis have distinctively different effects.
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6375789 - 12/16/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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uarewotueat said: psilocybin isnt the only active chemical in psilocybe mushrooms.
Actually, it might be.
It's doubtful whether or not psilocybin actually has any activity at all. Psilocybin is converted to psilocin very quickly in vivo and most of the evidence suggests that psilocin is the true active ingredient.
they contain psilocyn obviously and some have baeocystin also.
Baeocystin isn't known to be psychoactive.
so perhaps the different levels of those also produce different effects.
Perhaps. I doubt it. See that FAQ contribution forum. There's a post called "we need a strain FAQ." I think that any differences are due to placebo. In fact, I'd be willing to wager a lot of money that a person given a blind dose wouldn't not come anywhere near being able to tell strains apart, but of course this isn't proof. Anyway, I suggest you check out the thread I'm talking about.
The differences in psilocybin:psilocin ratios vary greatly between flush of the same strain, sometimes just as much or even more than between different speicies. Until I see controlled studies done, I won't believe it. You have to realize what the power of placebo is: you already know what strains you're taking, so if you expect different effects, then you could experience different effects just on this basis alone. Couple those expectations with the fact that you're taking a psychedelic drug and you've probably just got a magnified placebo effect.
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Chemiker]
#6375955 - 12/16/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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i h ave combined cyans with cubes. i ate .8 cyans and went t a blue grass show in a church in town. it was intense. everything was warping and peeling appart and the floor looked like it was strewn with christmas lights. after that i ate another 2 grams of cubes. i noticed a slight change in the trip. les vissulay and more body high.
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Chemiker]
#6376384 - 12/16/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chemiker said: uarewotueat said: psilocybin isnt the only active chemical in psilocybe mushrooms.
Actually, it might be.
It's doubtful whether or not psilocybin actually has any activity at all. Psilocybin is converted to psilocin very quickly in vivo and most of the evidence suggests that psilocin is the true active ingredient.
they contain psilocyn obviously and some have baeocystin also.
Baeocystin isn't known to be psychoactive.
so perhaps the different levels of those also produce different effects.
Perhaps. I doubt it. See that FAQ contribution forum. There's a post called "we need a strain FAQ." I think that any differences are due to placebo. In fact, I'd be willing to wager a lot of money that a person given a blind dose wouldn't not come anywhere near being able to tell strains apart, but of course this isn't proof. Anyway, I suggest you check out the thread I'm talking about.
The differences in psilocybin:psilocin ratios vary greatly between flush of the same strain, sometimes just as much or even more than between different speicies. Until I see controlled studies done, I won't believe it. You have to realize what the power of placebo is: you already know what strains you're taking, so if you expect different effects, then you could experience different effects just on this basis alone. Couple those expectations with the fact that you're taking a psychedelic drug and you've probably just got a magnified placebo effect.
well i beg to differ.
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Baeocystin is a mushroom alkaloid and analog of the psychedelic hallucinogenic drug psilocybin, a tryptamine derivative. It is found as a minor compound in most psychoactive mushrooms together with psilocybin, norbaeocystin, and psilocin. Little information exists with regard to human pharmacology, but a dosage of 10mg is reported to produce entheogen effect, which is to say, hallucinogenic effects that has been attributed sacred status by some religious groups.
placebo effect my arse...  ive been experimenting with these substances for long enough to know that i didnt imagine it. i never enter into any trip with expectations.
anyway... the topic was to discuss wether u have tried any mushrooms in combination and saw any different effects, or not. so wot i really would like to know is this; are u speaking from experience or just speaking from wot u have read in a book? have u actually tried mixing different psilocybes to find out for yourself? or is this just your text books talking as usual?
i personally am bored of reading your "matter of fact" not to mention, arrogant, posts on this subject when u offer very little subjective information to back up wot u say... "actually it might be" well thats hardly conclusive is it... it was supposed to be a light hearted debate to see if anyone had noticed any different effects, placebo or not, who cares, nothing too serious. so lighten up man...
BTW: that is not an invite for u to spam me with links and stuff about the subject... i want to hear personal experience, so just answer the original question, if u have the experience, or shut up
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6376500 - 12/16/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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you tell that mother fucker uarewotueat, i think mushrooms are like marijuana in that its a different cocktail of psychedelics in action...
And on the subject: I tripped on liberty caps and it was really visual, then when I tripped on cubes I felt alot more body buzz and I couldn't sit still
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6378311 - 12/16/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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uarewotueat said: well i beg to differ.
You can disagree if you want to, but I think you should present some facts to back up what you think if you want to convince others that you're right. The simple fact is that psilocybin is converted to psilocin very quickly and it is very likely that psilocin is the only active ingredient. If baeocystin isn't known to be psychoactive, then that means there is only one psychoactive compound in mushrooms: psilocin. If there is only one psychoactive ingredient, then I don't see how you could possibly tell strains apart. It is possible that other substances have an effect, but this has not ever been demonstrated.
Your anedoctal evidence isn't useful because you knew what strains you were taking beforehand. This certainly affects the experience, even with drugs that are not psychoactive. Imagine how powerful a placebo effect could be while under the influence of a psychedelic drug (this is also what is known as "set and setting").
Little information exists with regard to human pharmacology, but a dosage of 10mg is reported to produce entheogen effect
Source for this quote?
placebo effect my arse... 
You can't distinguish between placebo and the actual effects, so your sarcastic remark is just childish.
ive been experimenting with these substances for long enough to know that i didnt imagine it.
No, you don't know that. I suggest you do a little research on the placebo effect.
i never enter into any trip with expectations.
That is absolute nonsense.
the topic was to discuss wether u have tried any mushrooms in combination and saw any different effects, or not.
And someone else questioned how it would be possible to distinguish the effects between strains. I gave my opinion. My post was not off topic.
are u speaking from experience or just speaking from wot u have read in a book?
Have you ever participated in a double-blind study? I suggest that you try dosing different strains blind and see if you can actually distinguish the difference. Until then, your claim that you can tell the difference has no validity. I am not saying that when you eat different strains that you do not experience different effects. You claim that you do and I believe you. I am simply saying that I doubt that the differing effects are due to the psychoactives. I think that it's more likely due to placebo (ie. "set and setting").
have u actually tried mixing different psilocybes to find out for yourself?
I have never done a double-blind study with different psilocybe mushrooms because I'm not remotely interested. However, I have eaten different strains of mushrooms yes. If you look through my posts, you'll see that I hardly notice differences between LSD and mushrooms.
or is this just your text books talking as usual?
Don't you dare tell me where my knowledge comes from (I don't usually quote textbooks, btw). You have presented no facts, other than, "When I eat different strains with the knowledge that they're different before hand, I notice different effects." Set and setting. Expectations. You can't rule out their effects.
Your comment is childish. Just because a fact comes from a book or a published experiment doesn't make it any less valid. That implication is really stupid. If you knew anything about science, then you'd know that science is all based on experience. Science is totally about what you can observe: that is, experience. Published experiments describe what an experimenter did, saw, heard, etc. Science is all experience. Grow up. Your childish attempts at discrediting me don't make you right. They just make you look stupid.
You're obviously trying to make it sound like I'm some ultra-pedantic philosopher with no real world experience. You have it all wrong and that's obvious. One of the reasons that I prefer to use experimental studies as my source of information is because I can read exactly what the authors of the study did. I can visualize what they did. I can imagine what they did. It's like a trip report but just not as colourful. The kind of pedantic textbook knowledge that you're implying that I'm full of is more likely to be found in social science textbooks. You should try understanding what you're criticizing before implying that the information doesn't mean anything. I'm not going to mince words: you don't have a clue.
i personally am bored of reading your "matter of fact"
If you're not interested in facts, then I consider you willfully ignorant.
"actually it might be" well thats hardly conclusive is it...
Unlike you, I tend not to come to conclusions until the relevant information is in. You're jumping to conclusions on the basis of almost no relevant information. Also, maybe you should understand that part of the reason I'm not just saying, "No, you're wrong and I'm right" is because I am open-minded to the possibility that other active ingredients in different strains have different effects. I am totally willing to consider the possibility that you're right, but I in view of all of the facts, I don't consider it likely. You, on the other hand, are being close-minded and making goofy childish remarks and refusing to accept that your subjective experiences don't count because they don't control for "set and setting." I think it's ironic that you're the one being totally close-minded here. You're criticizing me for remaining open-minded.
it was supposed to be a light hearted debate to see if anyone had noticed any different effects, placebo or not, who cares, nothing too serious.
So, then why the sarcastic remark about "placebo my arse" if you apparently don't care whether or not it's placebo? I simply answered someone else's question.
or shut up
You have absolutely no right to tell me what to do.
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I am not the only person with this opinion, so your ignorant refusal to have a meaningful discussion is probably offensive to a lot of people. You have absolutely no right to single-handedly assert what the truth is when you have no meaningful evidence to back you up. Also, regarding my own subjective experiences, the whole point is that you have to control for "set and setting." In the context of psychedelic drugs, when people mention that "set and setting" have a great effect on the experience, this is an acknowledgement that the placebo effect is very large when dealing with psychedelic drugs.
In fact, the last time I went to buy spores (which was less than a year ago), I wanted to see what the vendor would tell me, so I asked him, "What strain should I get?" He just laughed and said, "They're all the same." I assume that he's probably done tons of shrooms, considering he sells the damn spores.
Now, like I said, I have tried different strains of mushrooms and I've never noticed any difference, but maybe this is because I don't expect to notice a difference ("set and setting" = placebo). If you really want to be sure, then try your own double-blind experiment. I bet that you will fail miserably at being able to tell different strains apart. Until you try such an experiment, your trip stories don't mean anything. Don't be so close-minded. Try explaining all of the facts at once.
For example, check out what Koala Koolio said in the FAQ Contribution forum, in the thread called "we need a strain FAQ":
Psychedelics are by nature the worst victim to this mistake. Someone under the effects of one is so easily influenced not only by settings, current mood, etc, but by what they believe they've taken. In the book Brotherhood of Eternal Love, it is said that Owsley Stanley produced some tabs of acid of the same strength, but in three different colors. I believe they were blue, red, and black. Dealers naturally reported back to him that they wanted to pick up some more of the blue ones, because their buyers liked them much better than the crude, darker trip of the black hits.
For instance, if you announce at a major music festival that people shouldn't eat the brown, or black acid, rumors will exist for decades that the acid was tainted or extremely impure, rather than just far stronger than what many, even for the 60's, was familiar with.
Edited by Chemiker (12/17/06 01:52 AM)
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Chemiker]
#6378590 - 12/17/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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hahaha as stated already:
im not looking for a meaningful discussion on the activity, or not, of certain chemicals that are contained within psilocybe mushrooms. that topic has been discussed to death in the shroomery, and that is why no one is interested in your posts on the subject. its not that u are right or wrong, i dont give a fuck, its just the way u come across to people. u need to work on your social skills man...
i wonder, did mommy hold u as a baby?
im looking for personal experience on the subject of mixing different psilocybes and wether, or not, people had experienced different psychedelic effects from different combinations of mushroom. cos i know i have.
im not trying to convince anyone that i am right, or wrong, u must have been looking in the mirror when u made that statement! hypocrite.
shall i say it once more... IM LOOKING FOR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!
i only read the first few lines of the above post, due to the fact that your posts are boring and extremely long winded. i had a quick scan over and see that u just answer my questions with more questions. so i'll just take it that u dont have the personal experience that i am seeking. so butt out! actually u havent answered a single one of my questions so far.
ive never known anyone who could actually be bothered to break down a post so systematically... or take themselves soooo seriously.
STOP TRYING TO FORCE YOUR OPINIONS ON PEOPLE.
oh, and thanks for the bad rating... thats hardly a surprise from the guy who rates anyone who dosent agree with him... anyway im proud to have a bad rating from such a knob as u 
i dont know how u dare to go and write that i am closed minded, after reading your posts, that could be the most hypocritical thing ive ever seen.
i'll probably come back and systematically tear your post apart later, IF i can pluck up the motavation to give a shit about wot u say, so please check back just in case
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6378594 - 12/17/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh and thanks for the abusive PM that just dropped into my inbox!
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6378597 - 12/17/06 03:26 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is from my post above. Stop being so childish. You don't own this thread.
uarewotueat said:have u actually tried mixing different psilocybes to find out for yourself?
I have never done a double-blind study with different psilocybe mushrooms because I'm not remotely interested. However, I have eaten different strains of mushrooms yes. If you look through my posts, you'll see that I hardly notice differences between LSD and mushrooms.
EDIT - If this isn't clear to you, then I'll make it even clearer: Yes, I have tried different strains. No, I didn't notice any difference.
However, what I said about not being remotely interested isn't quite true. I'm simply not interested enough in the answer to bother with the experiment.
Edited by Chemiker (12/17/06 03:32 AM)
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Chemiker]
#6378605 - 12/17/06 03:33 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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so the answer is "no" then...
if u keep ya posts short and to the point then people may read them  quote boxes were designed for a reason too...
PLEASE STOP SENDING ME ABUSIVE PRIVATE MESSAGES.
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Chemiker]
#6378607 - 12/17/06 03:37 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chemiker said: EDIT - If this isn't clear to you, then I'll make it even clearer: Yes, I have tried different strains. No, I didn't notice any difference.
However, what I said about not being remotely interested isn't quite true. I'm simply not interested enough in the answer to bother with the experiment.
and to take care of your continual editing of posts...
i DID NOT ask about the different effects of a singular strain compared to another, did i? i asked about combinations of mushrooms. u dont have the experience to answer my question so please realise u missed the entire point of this thread.
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6378611 - 12/17/06 03:40 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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u dont have the experience to answer my question so please realise u missed the entire point of this thread.
Wrong again.
I have mixed different strains (yes, at the same time) and I did not experience different effects.
The answer again is "no."
Once again, stop being so childish. This is not your thread. I addressed 789andIeatyou's concern.
Would you like me to list the different combinations I have tried?
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6378613 - 12/17/06 03:41 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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hahaha oh man, not another PM from u! your really gettin stressed over this! relax, chill out, take it easy... its not worth it really!
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Chemiker]
#6378615 - 12/17/06 03:43 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chemiker said: u dont have the experience to answer my question so please realise u missed the entire point of this thread.
Wrong again.
I have mixed different strains and I did not experience different effects.
The answer again is "no."
so why not just state that to start with? u really are making a fuss over nothing.
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6378616 - 12/17/06 03:45 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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and no i dont give a rats ass about the strains u have mixed, im far beyond caring about this thread anymore... thanks for ruining it
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Re: Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms.. [Re: Cryptix]
#6378646 - 12/17/06 04:46 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cryptix said: And on the subject: I tripped on liberty caps and it was really visual, then when I tripped on cubes I felt alot more body buzz and I couldn't sit still
yes indeed this is similar to how i found it to be, the body load of liberty caps can be emense sometimes, cubes are much lighter but less visual (in my case anyway)
they made for a really good combination in my opinion
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Re: Your Personal Experience Of Mixing Different Psilocybe Mushrooms. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#6378741 - 12/17/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Unfortunately this topic has become a bitching session and is no longer productive. I'm closing it.
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