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intelligence over time
    #6378232 - 12/16/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

do you think, that over time man has gotten any smarter? is the average person today smarter than the average person of 1000 years ago?


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6378236 - 12/16/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

In ways, yes, technology and such.

But common sense, I don't think that changes, does it?


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6378310 - 12/16/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i think woMan today has the capability to process information and manage data more rapidly than the human being a millennium ago.

however i don't think this necessarily means that we have have gotten smarter along with faster processing speed.

smart is merely a conceptual intelligence in my opinion. it really only has to do with predicting outcomes by combining associations and relationships in such a way as to get desired results.

i believe this ability was just as well developed in the average person of the far past.

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6378358 - 12/17/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

We're still as dumb as the cavemen. Just a different kind of dumb.

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: DNKYD]
    #6378473 - 12/17/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

if intelligence means communication then yes
if intelligence means human rights then maybe
if intelligence means kindness then no


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6378676 - 12/17/06 05:41 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely. Both genetically and enviornmentally people are more intelligent.

I would expect that over the generations physiological development of the brain has changed slightly. Not significalntly, but over a 1000 years I would expect that human brains have adapted at least chemically to mediate neuron activity at higher rates. Intelligence is at least part genetic so esepcially in the modern world certain populations of people have probably developed slightly more favorable phsyiological factors for intelligence.

And there is no doubt that in most regards, people today are more intellectually stimulated at an earlier age than ever before. (Err, not counting the fact that plenty of people succumb to the brainwashing of the idiotbox) The truly brilliant minds of yesteryear , like famous historical scientists and philosophers, were 1 in a million phenomena, and today if you were to go into any university in the nation you would find plenty of extremely intelligent individuals who are at least as developed.

But I think we should still push our kids harder. They're capable of more and they just don't get enough intellectual stimulation in early schooling.

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6378890 - 12/17/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

do you think, that over time man has gotten any smarter?

Average IQ scores world-wide have been on the rise by about 3 IQ points per decade since IQ testing began. It's called The Flynn Effect and is well documented.

The rise in IQ is distributed mostly over the lower end of the curve. In other words, dumb people are getting smarter faster than smart people are.

It's not clear why this happens and many reasons have been proposed including better nutrition, increasing brain size, and even plain old natural selection as smart people tend to make more money and can afford better food and health care than their low-IQ counterparts.


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6378988 - 12/17/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

IMO modern man is much smarter and possesses less wisdom and awareness.


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Diploid]
    #6379058 - 12/17/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not clear why this happens and many reasons have been proposed including better nutrition, increasing brain size, and even plain old natural selection as smart people tend to make more money and can afford better food and health care than their low-IQ counterparts.



The first two reasons seem plausible. However, wealthier and smarter people have fewer children than poor numbskulls. In the U.S., the average IQ is lower than in northern European nations, driven down by mass immigration of poor people from more economically stratified countries and higher birth rates from the dependent class.

Natural selection does not necessarily favor the most intelligent, but favors those organism which are best able to adapt to situations and pass on their genes to the next generation. Among humans, it seems that the reproductive strategy of the less intelligent is to have as many offspring as possible, de-emphasize parenting strategies and counting on sheer numbers to pass on the genes. Those with higher intelligence tend to invest more time and effort into rearing their offspring, thereby increasing each individual child's chances of surviving to pass on the genes. Current incentives of government social welfare programs favor the strategy of those with lower IQs, promoting births among the least intelligent and least economically successful people. At the same time tax and inflation policies pursued by governments provide disincentives to the intelligent and more economically adept to produce productive offspring. It would seem that people with lower IQs are choosing the smarter path for genetic success in the developed western nations.


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6379188 - 12/17/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
if intelligence means communication then yes
if intelligence means human rights then maybe
if intelligence means kindness then no




this seems to be the case now.

as communication increases one would expect human rights and kindness to flourish as well though~

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Digs]
    #6379219 - 12/17/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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as communication increases one would expect human rights and kindness to flourish as well though~




yes one would, as with communication, should come increased understanding of others, which would lead to increased civility and kindness.

If increased means for communication are taking place, and understanding that leads to civility and kindness is not, what does that mean?

It just means that modern communications technology has allowed for us to be communicate with ears, minds and hearts closed at a faster rate.  :tongue:

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Trepiodos]
    #6379264 - 12/17/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Well, one thing that I think could account for the 3 point rise is that in previous decades is the percentage of people who attend and finish primary school, and also the fact that more are going on to college.

Not only does this stimulate intellect, but a lot of IQ tests are not straight "g-factor" weighted, and also question people about common knowledge and what an average adult would be reasonably expected to know. Better education (regardless of raw intelligence) will improve those scores.

In northern Europe, higher education is even more accessible because it's more government-subsidized than here in the US, and their primary educations systems are better as well. And let's not forget in a lot of these countries, like Norway, the government will actually subsidize a parent's income if they opt to take leave to stay at home with their young children.

I think that the government aid accounts for the higher IQ scores in northern Europe, not necessarily the low socio-economic status of some people in the U.S. If the U.S. government worked out a cash supplement scheme to allow more parents to stay at home with their kids, and then did some tweaking to the educational system, the gap would be non-existent. Our poorer citizens could have access to more education.

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. It would seem that people with lower IQs are choosing the smarter path for genetic success in the developed western nations.




You have to weigh that against the fact that for the most part, people choose intelligent partners. Why is musicianship such a turn on for people? Because musical ability is a strong indicator of intelligence.

Yes dumb people are going to shack up with dumb people and have lots of dumb babies. It's a fact. And it's also a fact that as (well, IF) our society continues to advance and intelligence becomes even more crucial to success, there may develop a new class division. The most intelligent will enjoy success and propegate both their genetics and wealth. So social status will also divide along the lines of intelligence in addition to wealth. And that gap will probably increase as the wealthy are able to afford better education for their children and the poor are forced to forego in order to work minimum-wage menial jobs.

Reproductive success isn't simply propegating, it's propegating in a manner that is conducive to cotinuation of lineage. Lot's of durdurr kids and no way to send them to school or give them opportunities (or possibly even FEED them) isn't a formula for success now, is it?

As long as we continue to expand new frontiers of societal development and don't let the progress of the last century stagnate, I predict we'll see that human evolution will naturally tend towards favoring the more intelligent. But we'd better get our education and government programs in high-gear if we're going to keep up with the rest of the world.

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: donkers5257]
    #6379319 - 12/17/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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As long as we continue to expand new frontiers of societal development and don't let the progress of the last century stagnate, I predict we'll see that human evolution will naturally tend towards favoring the more intelligent. But we'd better get our education and government programs in high-gear if we're going to keep up with the rest of the world.




Yes, and look at the programs you sited that helped others. Both involved acts of civil rights and kindness (understanding).

Many of the wealthy and successful know that if they give in to these traits, their will be no one left to shine their shoes, mop their floors, and work their businesses for them for minimum wage.

There is an advantage for the wealthy and intelligent to support programs that keep the masses dummied down, and to reject those that would change it.

The wealthy design systems that require "certificates" to get a head. They also design systems that make it hard to afford the ability to get that certificate, to get ahead.

Those born with raw high intelligence or innate wisdom, into poverty, rarely get a chance to shine and move things forward holistically for the whole of the human race, at a faster pace.

I think many of current systems slow down any real and meaningful progress.

More kids may be conquering algebra at earlier grades and more kids are also being shot in schools by other kids then ever before.

Is this the sort of progress we want to making and can it even be called that?

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Diploid]
    #6379329 - 12/17/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Average IQ scores world-wide have been on the rise by about 3 IQ points per decade since IQ testing began.

I didn't think this was possible.... Isn't the average always going to be 100, regardless of how intellegent we become?

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6379378 - 12/17/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Not if a score of 100 is no longer the center of the bell-shaped curve.

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Veritas]
    #6380443 - 12/17/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Those born with raw high intelligence or innate wisdom, into poverty, rarely get a chance to shine and move things forward holistically for the whole of the human race, at a faster pace.




Scholarships. I have many friends who are lower-middle class. One of my friends even MAKES money by going to school because she has enough scholarships that after she gets reimbursed for the remaineder after her tuition is paid and sells her books back, she gets about $1600/semster in cash. I on the other hand gave up my cushy scholarship when I transferred from my private school to a state school and now because my family makes too much for me to qualify for most government loans, I, an upper-class kid, am racking up about $20K/year in student loans.

The government isn't keeping the poor down there. They're keeping ME down. And that's how it should be. Anyone who is intelligent and hard working will get ahead. People say the American dream is dead, but it's just changed. It's no longer that you can just work hard enough, you have to work hard AND be smart. That clause doesn't mean there's inequity, it just means our society is shifting gears and only the strong survive.

Yes, some politicians strucure things to benefit the the wealthy. But they just lost control of Congress. Woo hoo! I think you'll find that a lot of the upper-class see the benefits of mass education. A more productive society all around means everybody benefits. Less crime, less unemployment, less spent on welfare. The middle-class of America gets the shit end of the stick in the whole deal if you ask me, but I think people are waking up to the reality of the importance of education and might just do something about it. There's a lot of reform that needs to go on and might just happen if we can crack the door of enlightement ever so slightly.

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #6380559 - 12/17/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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As long as we continue to expand new frontiers of societal development and don't let the progress of the last century stagnate, I predict we'll see that human evolution will naturally tend towards favoring the more intelligent. But we'd better get our education and government programs in high-gear if we're going to keep up with the rest of the world.




Yes, and look at the programs you sited that helped others. Both involved acts of civil rights and kindness (understanding).

Many of the wealthy and successful know that if they give in to these traits, their will be no one left to shine their shoes, mop their floors, and work their businesses for them for minimum wage.

There is an advantage for the wealthy and intelligent to support programs that keep the masses dummied down, and to reject those that would change it.

The wealthy design systems that require "certificates" to get a head. They also design systems that make it hard to afford the ability to get that certificate, to get ahead.

Those born with raw high intelligence or innate wisdom, into poverty, rarely get a chance to shine and move things forward holistically for the whole of the human race, at a faster pace.

I think many of current systems slow down any real and meaningful progress.

More kids may be conquering algebra at earlier grades and more kids are also being shot in schools by other kids then ever before.

Is this the sort of progress we want to making and can it even be called that?

:heart:




one might say that the meaning of progress is to establish more and more complex systems, both in the fields of technology and social organization.

however what happens when complexity starts to become problematic and a burden to human well-being? would advancing through the above meaning of progress be really such a smart thing to do? would not retreating be a more intelligent response?

i think the consensus on the act of retreating is generally looked down upon. the basic idea is that deconstructing a system somehow goes against progress.

"we can't take down and completely re fabricate our institutions, that would mean pulling back, and by that we would be slowing down our advancement!"

it really seems like this is the kind of attitude floating about nowadays and i believe this calls for a deep look into our core values.

progress IMO is only a means and not an end, and so is retreating.

they're both neither preferred nor desired, but only directions which we can choose to take with the help of our intellect and wisdom. :mushroom2:

harmony and well-being should always be the goal, not sometime in the future, but here and now. :heart:

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6380589 - 12/17/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Terrific post. :thumbup:


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Icelander]
    #6381046 - 12/17/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i think that throughout the existance of man, man has gotten smarter, but i don't think there has been all that much of a difference in say a period of a thousand years.

in our modern society, we use our intelligence in a different way as people of the past did. we have all this fancy technology; tv, computers, cameras, microwave ovens, etc.. etc... but that's because that's where we have been putting our intelligence.

different cultures throughout the world, through different times have used their intelligence differently. if you look at tribal cultures, native americans, aztecs, aboriginal australians, african tribes, etc... they could do a whole lot more with their natural environment than we can do with the natural environment. think about all the skills that people of their cultures have had throughout time. they could track people and animals throughout natural terrain. they can look at a rock and know if it's out of place and around how long it's been out of place. they can hunt much more efficiently than us using natural tools, as opposed to guns which hunters use today. they know exactly how to build the perfect overnight shelter. they could build a fire without matches or a lighter. if you were to throw the average american into the environment where he can't go out and buy what he needs to live, i'm sure 3/4s of us wouldnt last a week.

we think we're smarter because we have all this fancy technology and plastics. sure, if you were to build a time machine, and bring anyone to this time who lived over 100 years ago, there's no way they would be able to even log into windows despite how simple it is for us, but that's because we've lived in an ever growing technological environment, where they haven't. we have just been using our intelligence in different ways.

look at the egyptians. they built the pyramids without the help of any fancy machines. they even correctly lined them up with certain stars. they were so smart, that some people today think that aliens had to have come down and help them accomplish what they accomplished.

the society we live in is what's training us to be smart in the ways that we are.

i believe that the average person today may be a little smarter than say the average farmer of 100 years ago, but that's because a farmers life was based on, you guessed it, farming. that's all they focused on day after day. while we're doing much more things throughout our day, we're using our intelligence more and expanding it a little. but they still knew more than we give them credit for though. they could look up at the stars and know how far into what season it was. whereas if most of us didnt have a calendar to tell us what day it was, we wouldn't have a clue.

most of us rely on the weatherman to tell us which way the wind is blowing.


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6381077 - 12/17/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The average person can't make breakfast. :tongue:


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6381474 - 12/17/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

very good post.

so would it be safe to say that our level of intelligence can be determined according to where and on what we FOCUS it?

making it thus more variable and flexible? :sun:

i believe that would give us many options and alternatives today rather than a fixed definition of direction and purpose.  :thumbup::mushroom2:

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Re: intelligence over time [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6381488 - 12/17/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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so would it be safe to say that our level of intelligence can be determined according to where and on what we FOCUS it?

making it thus more variable and flexible? :sun:

i believe that would give us many options and alternatives today rather than a fixed definition of direction and purpose.  :thumbup::mushroom2:

:earth: :yinyang: :shineon:




i think it would be very safe to say that. :shineon:


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Icelander]
    #6381495 - 12/17/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If you take a look at primitive civilizations..

they are no more or no less intelligent than anyone else. All humans of all kinds are more or less as smart as any other. Obviously, this can only be expressed within their own particular cultural context.. but if that is changed, they're no more or less likely to succeed than anyone else.

So.. I would say no, physically, biologically, we're pretty much identical to humans thousands of years ago. Some of those primitive societies have been isolated for as long, and if civilization had any evolutionary impact on us we would be different than those who never advanced -- which is not true, and, actually, borders dangerously close to racism (I am *not* accusing anybody of this, I am merely pointing out that such thinking has been commandeered towards such ends in the past).

Culturally? Obviously, we know a lot more today than we did yesterday.. but that's how we work, we accumulate info and don't forget it. Especially once we figured out how to write it down. Shoulders of giants and all that.


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #6382233 - 12/18/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

it all depends how to define intelligence
In my definition~ god guided (just do the right thing)intelligence can not really change. everything is equally intelligent.. the parrot running around finding food is smarter than say this corporate dude whos always in a rush, never comofortable or happy- whos smarter?

god I wish thats what I could use my intelligence for.
the way i look at it, a dog has as much intelligence as a human, any animal. All animals/ insects are smarter i would say than most humans these days? I mean for all our brain power most people arent really guided. So it doesnt matter how much you THINK if you motivations arent for GOOD
You know, where did this 'mind come from'? (drugs) how do we guide it then?(drugs)
edit#3: man i dont know this is confusing


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Re: intelligence over time [Re: donkers5257]
    #6383479 - 12/18/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I think you missed my point so I will clarify.

Take a girl who may be a natural wiz at humane biology with the potential for being able to find the cure for all cancers. What good are scholarships if she got poor grades in school because she missed to much, because she stayed home to take care of younger siblings while her mom was passed out high on crack, and later, dropped out to get a job so her younger siblings can eat, because their parents were total fuck ups.

The world will never get to benefit from this girls gift.

Was it smart for her to make those choices?

True, the system isn't a total lock. A friends dad dropped out of school after 6th grade (lived in the sticks) ended up starting a construction business building high end homes and made millions.

Ralph Lauren never went to college, peddled home made ties on 5th avenue and his business is grossing in the billions now.

There are still ways around the system for the smart in their own right to succeed and achieve wealth, this is true.

The question here should be, how is it that we want the most highly intelligent of us serving us?

Sould they be allowed to dominate or be required to serve?

Where does street smarts or emotional IQ come into this?

What are our priorities as the human race?

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