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z@z.com
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On Illegal Immigrants
#6372787 - 12/15/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I employ several illegals. On average they make more money than the Americans I employ. So what is your opinion on this?
I think that these people should not be penalized because they were born a few miles too far south. They work hard and I pay them well. Why do so many people have a problem with this? If I could find Americans who speak English (I speak very poor Spanish) who could come close to these people I would drop the immigrants in a second. Americans have the advantage of speaking the language, but that doesn't make up for the fact that the illegals work harder and are more trustworthy. Until this changes the illegals will have plenty of jobs.
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niteowl
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: z@z.com]
#6372813 - 12/15/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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z@z.com said: On average they make more money than the Americans I employ. So what is your opinion on this?
If I could opt to get paid cash under the table, and not have to pay the state or federal taxes....like the illegals are doing. Then I would have no problem with them coming here and working.
I get paid my flat rate as cash.....the employer doesn't have to carry any kind of insurance on me.....I don't have to pay any taxes on my income.....win win situation if you ask me.
Now how long do you think the state and federal governments would last if everyone opted to not pay any taxes???????
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I think that these people should not be penalized because they were born a few miles too far south.
Again I don't have any problem with them working here. However if I have to work the same job that they are working and I have to pay taxes that they don't.......that situation sucks major donkey dick
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Seuss
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: z@z.com]
#6372818 - 12/15/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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> So what is your opinion on this?
I think they should be deported, and you should be fined or jailed for intentionally hiring illegal aliens.
By the way, the are not illegal immigrants, they are illegal aliens. Immigrants are legal, by definition.
> Why do so many people have a problem with this?
Because it screws over every last person that is waiting in line to legally enter the country. Why should we reward those that skip to the front of the line? I have no problem increases quotas (or getting rid of quotas), but I have a huge issue with people that think they are better than everybody else and can skip ahead. It is theft, and I don't appreciate it.
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: z@z.com]
#6372831 - 12/15/06 05:38 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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And most illegals, tend to have stolen stolen social security numbers, that have been taken from people like you and me. The company I work for sometimes hires them too, and I call the INS, people every chance I get, and have their asses rounded up and shipped back.
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Seuss]
#6373699 - 12/15/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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well maybe they should be rewarded because they have initiative enough to just cross the "border" you realize those lines only matter on maps really?
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The_Red_Crayon
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: z@z.com]
#6373739 - 12/15/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Countless times ive seen mexicans steal their employers customer bases and rip off their employers, just because your hiring cheap labor doesnt mean your labor is reliable.
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niteowl
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: rubixcubies]
#6376172 - 12/16/06 06:59 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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rubixcubies said: well maybe they should be rewarded because they have initiative enough to just cross the "border" you realize those lines only matter on maps really?
You do realize that the property your home sits on is just a line on a map don't you?
Would it be OK if I put up a trailer on your property, hook up to your water and electricity, with out asking your permission, or even attempting to pay you for the expense of me being there?
If your OK with this, give me your address and I will have some friends come hang out @ your place for a few years.
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: z@z.com]
#6376577 - 12/16/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't really blame anyone in this situation. I don't blame you for wanting to hire the best workers. I don't blame them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families. And I don't blame others for feeling resentment towards them(and you). Everyone's looking out for their own self-interest, as one would expect.
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#6377159 - 12/16/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I look out for my self interest but not at the expense of others.
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Hanky
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Seuss]
#6378324 - 12/16/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seuss said:
Because it screws over every last person that is waiting in line to legally enter the country. Why should we reward those that skip to the front of the line? I have no problem increases quotas (or getting rid of quotas), but I have a huge issue with people that think they are better than everybody else and can skip ahead. It is theft, and I don't appreciate it.
LOL, I've heard this same silly argument in my own country regarding boat people, tell me, do both the american and australian immigration departments cut immigration quotas by one for each illegal immigrant?
Also, the highest proportion of illegal aliens in my country are english and american tourists who over stay their visas and work cash jobs, but they're white and no body ever complains.
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Hanky
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: z@z.com]
#6378326 - 12/16/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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z@z.com said: So what is your opinion on this?
I think you should be given a medal and tax cuts.
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Seuss
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: rubixcubies]
#6378451 - 12/17/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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> well maybe they should be rewarded because they have initiative enough to just cross the "border" you realize those lines only matter on maps really?
Any maybe we should reward the guy that broke into your house and stole your property for having the initiative to just cross the "curtilage" you realize those lines only matter on maps really?
> Also, the highest proportion of illegal aliens in my country are english and american tourists who over stay their visas and work cash jobs, but they're white and no body ever complains.
I would certainly complain. Race has nothing to do with it. Illegal aliens, regardless of origin, are illegal aliens.
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Hanky
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Seuss]
#6378686 - 12/17/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Race has everything to do with it, the mainstream media that spouts the same queue jumper propagander that you were has no interest in illegal aliens of european origin in my country, i'm sure the situation is the same in the states.
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Hanky
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Hanky]
#6378688 - 12/17/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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PS: the term "illegal aliens" makes it sound like they come from mars, we are one planet, incase you hadn't realised.
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thallus
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Hanky]
#6378774 - 12/17/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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The country would br f***ed it all illegal immigrants stoped working now, people have to realize they need then and do something about it
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Hanky]
#6381414 - 12/17/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hanky said:
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Seuss said:
Because it screws over every last person that is waiting in line to legally enter the country. Why should we reward those that skip to the front of the line? I have no problem increases quotas (or getting rid of quotas), but I have a huge issue with people that think they are better than everybody else and can skip ahead. It is theft, and I don't appreciate it.
LOL, I've heard this same silly argument in my own country regarding boat people, tell me, do both the american and australian immigration departments cut immigration quotas by one for each illegal immigrant?
Also, the highest proportion of illegal aliens in my country are english and american tourists who over stay their visas and work cash jobs, but they're white and no body ever complains.
But you see, that's not exactly the same.
Those people were cleared to enter the country at some point -- just not indefinately.
These aliens were NEVER given the OK to enter our country.
No one knows who they are, where they came from, if they're carrying disease, if they're a fugitive on the lam.. and THAT is the problem.
Kick them out.
I'm not opposed to immigration, and I'm not opposed to Mexicans. Let them in -- but through a door, so we know who they are, where they are, so we know we're not letting murderers and rapists into our country, so we know we're not letting carriers or polio or TB or smallpox into our country. How hard is that?
Besides, you ever see how mexico handles THEIR illegal immigration problem? They can just shove a bottle rocket up their ass for all I care, they've no room to complain, no room to say jack shit about denying people the opportunity to seek a better life for themselves. They won't allow it when it's THEIR country being invaded.
Solution:
Round up all the illegals, ship them back to Mexico.
Impliment a more streamlined method of gaining entry to the US, that does not skimp on security. Let 'em come, let 'em work. Let 'em pay taxes. No more sneaking around, and no more working for under minimum wage. No more exploitation of Mexican workers by employers, either.
If you disagree you're an idiot, because that situation is a win all-around for everybody except fugitives sneaking into the country, and employers seeking to exploit illegal workers.
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: z@z.com]
#6382258 - 12/18/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is strange to me that the original poster (Z@Z.com) has not replied to the thread he started.
Makes me wonder.......
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: niteowl]
#6382272 - 12/18/06 05:46 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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niteowl said: It is strange to me that the original poster (Z@Z.com) has not replied to the thread he started.
Makes me wonder.......
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Silversoul]
#6382691 - 12/18/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: I don't really blame anyone in this situation. I don't blame you for wanting to hire the best workers. I don't blame them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families. And I don't blame others for feeling resentment towards them(and you). Everyone's looking out for their own self-interest, as one would expect.
Except for American law makers. One would think their interest would be the same as the interest of the average American(that's the way it's supposed to be anyway).
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Re: On Illegal Immigrants [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6382728 - 12/18/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is conservative hypocracy at its finest. Most conservative politicians are the reason that illegals are here. The big companies who hire these people get rich and contribute money to the pockets of conservatives who will pretty much make access to the US easy. That whole "build a wall bullshit" was just a ploy to win the election. The southwest is getting more and more Mexican and I say fine. The nicest, most hardworking people in Las Vegas are Mexican. And the resturants are getting better. If all of these guys who hate it so much were willing to do hard work, this would not be a problem. I remember when Americans did hard outdoor work in the southwest in the 1980's. You never see white people doing that work now. Lazy people need to blame their problems on somebody!
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