Turvenuija said:

Preparing the shroom tea now and the rue is about to go down the hatch. I'm a little scared but it's all part of the fun. Here I go then.

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GenesisCorrupted said:

You are going to have an amazing day.
You do have a trip sitter though, right?

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Turvenuija said:

Wow, what an experience or so I'd say if I could remember a thing Somehow I had 0 nausea which unusual for me. I'm so glad I tried rue though, never tripping without it if I can help it.

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Turvenuija said:

Wow, what an experience or so I'd say if I could remember a thing Somehow I had 0 nausea which unusual for me. I'm so glad I tried rue though, never tripping without it if I can help it.

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Bardy said:

The only problem I see is that with a lot of viral infections they tend to resolve themselves completely within 3-5 days without any treatment anyway. Of course, in a study with a population of 1 there is no way to tell whether the treatment actually did anything or not, so it is just an anecdote (which I know you’ve already acknowledged).

Also, harmalas make you feel good, so they would be an effective treatment in reducing some of the symptoms of common viral infections such as lethargy or low mood and pain. So it could possibly just be masking symptoms and allowing your body to get over the infection naturally. Just another thing to consider.

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Turvenuija said:

Wow, what an experience or so I'd say if I could remember a thing Somehow I had 0 nausea which unusual for me. I'm so glad I tried rue though, never tripping without it if I can help it.

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Sabnock said:

Turvenuija said:

Wow, what an experience or so I'd say if I could remember a thing Somehow I had 0 nausea which unusual for me. I'm so glad I tried rue though, never tripping without it if I can help it.

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Yup, many people seem to like how the Harmalas impact the mushroom experience. Psilohuasca is essentially/basically Ayahuasca, but using mushrooms instead of DMT, same medicine, some slight differences, but can be very DMT-esque, it reminds me of something someone said before in that it's like the Harmalas brings out the DMT part of the molecule, to me it feels almost just like DMT but a bit lighter, less serious, a bit more relaxed, likely due to the lack of Adrenergic action that Psilocin has compared to DMT which is very Adrenergic. But all in all it's still Ayahuasca none the less, which i know it's Rue and Aya is Caapi but i see the Harmalas as being "the Huasca" and so for me Caapi and Rue are like different flavors/variations of the same underlying medicine and as such is basically the same thing, with some differences, still takes you where need to go.

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ItAintGotNoGasInIt said: I've heard you say that a lot comparing psilohuasca and ayahuasca, I've taken psilohuasca regularly for a few years now but I've been a bit scared of taking oral dmt - any advice you can give for someone experienced with psilohusca trying oral DMT, anything I should be aware of about how they differ? I wouldn't be working with traditional DMT sources but I have brewed MHRB and ACRB and have caapi as well, dunno, after vaping DMT a few times the strength of it has me tentative about taking the dive on oral DMT.

How much does oral dmt differ or not from the psilohuasca experience? I've always been comfortable with psilohuasca and never had any problems even taking 5g+ of shrooms and 3.5g+ of syrian rue(though I normally prefer about 4-4.5g shrooms and 3-3.5g of rue) so I don't know if I am getting worked up over nothing and psyching myself out listening to people who say how intense ayahuasca is or that think you need a shaman hitting you with palm fronds and singing icaros for hours to have ayahuasca go well, obviously I don't believe that, but still, I'd appreciate any insight you could provide.

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Sabnock said:

Turvenuija said:

Wow, what an experience or so I'd say if I could remember a thing Somehow I had 0 nausea which unusual for me. I'm so glad I tried rue though, never tripping without it if I can help it.

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Yup, many people seem to like how the Harmalas impact the mushroom experience. Psilohuasca is essentially/basically Ayahuasca, but using mushrooms instead of DMT, same medicine, some slight differences, but can be very DMT-esque, it reminds me of something someone said before in that it's like the Harmalas brings out the DMT part of the molecule, to me it feels almost just like DMT but a bit lighter, less serious, a bit more relaxed, likely due to the lack of Adrenergic action that Psilocin has compared to DMT which is very Adrenergic. But all in all it's still Ayahuasca none the less, which i know it's Rue and Aya is Caapi but i see the Harmalas as being "the Huasca" and so for me Caapi and Rue are like different flavors/variations of the same underlying medicine and as such is basically the same thing, with some differences, still takes you where need to go.

Another thing for me is that for some odd reason, i find that Psilohuasca makes mushrooms and even 4-ACO-DMT feel way more mushroomy than straight mushrooms, even with 4-ACO-DMT i would feel this mushroom-like feel and i'd keep seeing visuals of mushrooms growing, and Psilohuasca using 4-ACO-DMT feels pretty much the same to me as Psilohuasca using mushrooms, the come up of 4-ACO may be a little different but once it metabolizes into Psilocin in the body, which i can feel when it happens, it from that moment is just the same as the Psilocin in mushrooms.

Also the duration should be closer to about 9 to 12 hours, but that depends on dosages and timing, so long as gut MAO-A is fully inhibited when the mushrooms are consumed, the Psilocin should be properly potentiated and lengthened in duration, if it's shorter than about 9 to 12 hours, could be the Rue dose, could be the mushroom dose, could be the timing between them as well as one's digestion, but once you hit the gut's MAO-A inhibition right it'll extend out to 9 to 12 hours. Another thing is the CYP2D6 enzyme which some folks have lower or higher amounts of, and if one is higher in CYP2D6 they would have a reduced duration most likely for the Harmalas and would metabolize them out faster, whereas those low in CYP2D6 wouldn't need as much of a dosage and would likely have a longer duration of Harmala effects. But yeah once you get the hang of the dosages and timing you should get the full duration.

Overall i take it that it went well? Personally i love the combo, and i can't wait to work with it more in the future whenever i more fully dive back into experimentation mode again. One thing i wanna try out more, that i've only done once, is take mushrooms with my normal dose of Acacia or Mimosa and the Rue, and some Lemon Balm, because one time i took like i think 600 to 800mgs of potent mushroom powder capsules 30 minutes after my Rue and then an hour into the Rue i drank my Acacia and my i think 4 gram Lemon Balm tea, and even that low of a dose of mushrooms synergized with and added to/enhanced  the Acacia/DMT, it was a very lovely combination, and very smooth too with the Lemon Balm in the mix.

Psilohusca is definitely worth exploring further, i just wish it didn't have tolerance unlike DMT lol.

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GenesisCorrupted said:

If lightly ground. I find that three of the triple zero empty pill capsules will almost always be a gram every time.
I’m not talking about dust. I’m talking about almost entirely intact seeds.
As long as you get the consistency that you’re looking for. You will know how many pills to take.

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