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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy] * 1
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I was waiting for a long time.
I’m not a scientist.
I felt sick.
Afterwords, I felt great.
Typically drugs lower your immune system.
So, with most drugs, I feel a little worse than I did before using them.
This was not the case with Ayahusca
By no means, am I trying to fuel any sort of weird conspiracy theory involving medicine.
Also, wasn’t an assumption. It was physically observable.


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/12/23 05:44 PM)

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Maybe it's just pollen season Bardy and once the rain starts the allergies will go away?


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GC, You said you know for a fact it helped you recover. You keep using definite language like this and then when someone calls you out on it you act like you never said anything definite lol. You do not know for a fact that it helped you recover at all.

Northerner, yeah you’re probably right. I’ve heard from other people that this year was apparently a bad one for pollen in the area. Other people who have never had any allergies have been in the same boat as me… makes more sense.


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy]
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For me. I can guarantee it’s gonna make me feel better afterwards.
I always say that everyone is different
I am not a scientist.
Do not take this as scientific advice.
I will be more careful.
But I always put disclaimers on these claims.
GenesisCorrupted said:
I don’t know if it has any effect on pushing it away.
But I know, for a fact, it did help me recover from Covid.
This last one rocked me.
I am still waiting to get my booster. But there is no doubt that this does have some anti-viral or bacterial qualities to it.
In my opinion. By no means should anyone reference this in any scientific capacity.


This is the entire quote without something being taken out of context.
I am trying to be more clear with my writing, though. So I appreciate the input.


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/12/23 06:09 PM)

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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I know you’re not a scientist, but just because we’re not scientists doesn’t mean we should go around claiming that harmalas cured our Covid without any good evidence. It’s all good man 👍 I don’t mean any offence, it’s all in the spirit of discussion.


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy]
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For the record. I was on Ayahusca before I caught it too.

But I have done 17 trips of Ayahusca.
Every single time. I have felt better afterwards than I did before.
It seems to just make me feel better afterwards.
I’m also on a very strict diet because I do MAO. Which I’m sure has something to do with me feeling better.
I appreciate you.
Thanks for checking to make sure nobody is trying to spread any vaccine misinformation.
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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/12/23 06:20 PM)

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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Yeah that’s normal to feel better after a trip, pretty sure that happens for everyone.

Even if you take harmalas just by themselves you’ll feel better afterwards as well, generally speaking.

I’m yet to have a full trip experience combining a psychedelic and harmalas. Maybe I will one day but I feel like psychedelics are strong enough for me without them.

Thanks man, appreciate it 😊

And Sabnock, you’re full of good info on harmalas. I’m just as keen on them as you are haha


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy]
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As for the covid thing, again i just want to make note and say that i don't know for certain if it helps or not, but in my observations and experiments, it seems to be a consistent effect. Basically it goes like this, if i take Rue daily, i don't tend to get sick from viral infections (so far), if i don't take the Rue i eventually end up getting sick and i can definitely feel that i'm getting sick, and so i take the Rue usually at 4 grams but 4 grams is pretty damn strong lol, 3 to 3.5 grams of Rue may be fine though, i just go for 4 because i wanna make damn sure i get a full dose, but i take the Rue and the sick feeling goes away in 3 to 4 days, i'll take the Rue one night, the next day i'm feeling a little better so i take it again, the day after i feel almost back to normal and take it again, and on the 4th day i'm pretty much 100% back to normal but i'll take it again once more, and so 4 or 5 i feel 100% back to normal and no longer sick.

Harmaline has been shown to have active properties against herpes and influenza as far as it's anti-viral properties go, i'm not sure how truly effective it would be against those, but it is promising for potentially being useful against corona, plus like i said i don't think it's just the Harmalas, i could be wrong but i do believe that there are background compounds in Rue that are beneficial in that area, and 3 to 4 grams seems to be about the level where the background compounds definitely imo/ime contribute. So idk if Harmala extracts or full spectrum Rue extract would work just as well, perhaps next time i get sick and have some extract whipped up i'll give it a go with that at about say 200mgs maybe and see how it goes.

All we can really do right now is just observe and learn and use our intuition and try to figure out what's going on, at least until this is scientifically studied more, if it ever is anyways. But ime and from my own personal observations, i can't deny that it happens consistently, it seems to work, i get a certain feeling from corona compared to the typical flu so when i've gotten sick with corona a few times i know it was definitely corona, and when i take the Rue, it just knocks out whatever it is within a few days and i'm 100% back to normal and no longer feel sick and don't have any of the weird symptoms, heck even my taste and smell will go away when i get corona yet it'll come back when i dose the Rue, so i'm pretty sure that it's been corona rather than influenza. Idk if it's the anti-microbial properties (although i do suspect that to be the case), or if it's somehow activating/stimulating the immune system or something, idk, but i can't deny that it seems to work.

Again, this is not to be taken as some sort of proven fact and i don't want people risking their lives for some experimentation if they really need like an actually proven treatment like an anti-viral pill or something or ya know, the vaccine, personally though i'm pretty good at figuring things out and while i'm not always right, i do seem to be most often right lol, and so idk, my gut tells me to stick with the Rue. And like i said, it seems to act as some sort of preventative as well, because if i take Rue daily at the right dosage, i don't get sick, but if i stop taking Rue, i definitely get sick lol, so it seems that not only can Rue possibly help prevent you from getting it, it may also help to kill it off.

Again, not scientifically proven, not a risk worth taking if one like needs a hospital/doctor, i'm just my own doctor because i'm smart enough and the doctors i've seen apparently don't know much at all, whether general practitioners or psychiatrists, they just want to prescribe pills, they don't really do any detective work or try to figure out what's going on, like i said i was even low in my B vitamins especially Folate and it's been obvious to me for a long while now, yet everything "seemed" fine on my bloodwork last time i went to the doctor, but idk what all they can see from the bloodwork, but in any case i had/have the signs of being low in Folate and such and you would think a doctor would pick up on malnutrition but apparently not. Maybe i just live in an area with shitty doctors, idk.

Edit - Also due to Rue feeling rather rough at 4 grams especially if dosed regularly and the reverse tolerance builds up, this is one reason why it can be a good thing to have other things in the mix with the Rue in order to alter it's effects or clean up it's bodyload. Many different plants and supplements for example can be mixed with Rue to alter it in various ways, Harmalas and DMT are very malleable and can be altered pretty easily depending on what's in the mix. So like using 3 to 4.5 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea can help clean up the Rue's bodyload and can help it feel better if using 4 grams of Rue because of the cleaner bodyload. Although to add to that, adding something to the Rue may alter it's anti-microbial properties, alter meaning it may either contribute to/enhance the anti-microbial properties, or it may reduce the effectiveness by interfering with the active mechanisms, i've seen lots and lots of personal evidence/observation of different things with anti-microbial properties kinda contradicting one another, and so i know Rue on it's own seems to work, Rue with Lemon Balm may still work, but with other things idk, would just have to mix things together and see what all happens, that's what i do.


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy]
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Bardy said: And Sabnock, you’re full of good info on harmalas. I’m just as keen on them as you are haha


Thanks, i've definitely learned a lot about this stuff by working with it so much and really paying attention and looking into things, figuring things out, experimenting around and trying different things. A lot of people don't really understand this medicine, so i just like to share what all i've come across in my studying and experimentations.


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Sabnock]
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The only problem I see is that with a lot of viral infections they tend to resolve themselves completely within 3-5 days without any treatment anyway. Of course, in a study with a population of 1 there is no way to tell whether the treatment actually did anything or not, so it is just an anecdote (which I know you’ve already acknowledged).

Also, harmalas make you feel good, so they would be an effective treatment in reducing some of the symptoms of common viral infections such as lethargy or low mood and pain. So it could possibly just be masking symptoms and allowing your body to get over the infection naturally. Just another thing to consider.


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy]
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Bardy said:
The only problem I see is that with a lot of viral infections they tend to resolve themselves completely within 3-5 days without any treatment anyway. Of course, in a study with a population of 1 there is no way to tell whether the treatment actually did anything or not, so it is just an anecdote (which I know you’ve already acknowledged).

Also, harmalas make you feel good, so they would be an effective treatment in reducing some of the symptoms of common viral infections such as lethargy or low mood and pain. So it could possibly just be masking symptoms and allowing your body to get over the infection naturally. Just another thing to consider.


Precisely it makes you feel better.
But why wouldn’t I go back to feeling sick like I did before. But better?
That’s the only reason I said that.
I found it remarkable enough to say it that confidently to.


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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Because your immune system is killing the virus. It’s possible the Rue has some anti viral properties, I have no idea, but it’s also possible that while you’re feeling good from the Rue your body is just going about it’s normal immune response and killing the virus. Then by the time you’ve stopped taking the Rue your immune system has managed to fight it all away.

It could be just working in a similar manner to taking cold and flu medication (just treating the symptoms and not actually killing the virus itself).

Maybe it helps your immune system work faster in some way as well? Who knows…

All I’m doing is trying to highlight that there are many other possible ways that harmalas might be making you feel better. It’s not clear how, or if, it even works for treating viruses.

Do you see where I’m coming from?


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy]
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ah
But here’s the rub.
We both used drugs. We know for a fact that drugs always lower your immune system.

https://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/daily/alcohol-drugs/immune-system.asp

I was in fact, still sick. Runny nose, coughing throat having trouble sleeping temperature shifts. The whole 9 yard. Now the symptoms were lessened. From when I had first gotten sick. But I was definitely still sick.
So I have been waiting like two weeks to do this stuff.
All of the symptoms I was suffering were the same as what I would, to a very minute degree experience when I tried Ayahusca. So I figured what the hell.

So my immune system went down.
Just a little bit. But it did get lowered.
Now, when I came back. I was no longer on the compound.
I should have been as sick as I was going into it. If not just slightly worse.
Now, as you said, it is possible that because of my serotonin. Maybe my body was operating at a high level of awesome. Maybe that boosted my mood. Enough that my immune system kicked up a notch.
But the drug did lower it. So at the very least. I feel like the effect would leave me about where my immune was already overall.

I was not sick at all after I came back to my recollection.
I am not a doctor or a scientist.
But I would never lie about that stuff. That was my experience.
I also do remember reading that DMT did have some immune boosting affects. Here’s an article.
http://www.actionchildren.org/incredible-things-about-mimosa-hostilis/


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/12/23 11:42 PM)

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 2
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You just contradicted yourself in your comment.

At the start you said “we know for a fact drugs lower your immune system”, then at the end you said “I read that DMT had some immune boosting effects”.

Take a break man, give your mind a rest ✌️


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Bardy]
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Well, every drug that makes you get high does
That doesn’t need an article. That was unrelated.
Like not getting enough sleep is enough to lower your immune system sometimes.

https://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/daily/alcohol-drugs/immune-system.asp

But yes, I do suspect that DMT could have their own articles written that they also do you lower your immune system. But there’s new research being done all the time. Maybe it actually is in fact, boosting it.
I’m debating whether or not it does with you. I’m not sure it does. I’m just telling you my experience with it.

So what I’m saying is. That because it makes you high. It does lower your immune system. But separately of that. This compound could have things that are actively boosting your immune system at the same time.


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/14/23 12:33 AM)

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Unfortunately, there isn’t very much on psychedelics. So I’m just using the concept to go off of here.
If it makes you get high enough that you were inebriated. Or you’re tripping. Or you’re seeing some thing. Or your mood is altered. For the most part. That is going to lower your immune system.
Even steroidal cream can lower your immune system.

https://www.edgewoodhealthnetwork.com/resources/blog/how-do-drugs-and-alcohol-affect-the-immune-system/


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/12/23 11:46 PM)

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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Back in my heavy druggie days I always used to cure colds with methcathinone. Not that the cat cures the cold, but 2 days of being high and feeling great while my body fought off the cold was way better than 2 days of feeling like shit. :tongue2:


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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said:
Back in my heavy druggie days I always used to cure colds with methcathinone. Not that the cat cures the cold, but 2 days of being high and feeling great while my body fought off the cold was way better than 2 days of feeling like shit. :tongue2:



“ I only know that I know nothing”

That was some wisdom right there though.


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Edited by GenesisCorrupted (10/12/23 11:54 PM)

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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GenesisCorrupted said:
You should make a thread. Try and collect all the experiences of people feeling better after taking a Ayahusca, MOA, or RIMA.
There isn’t nearly enough information on it. We just did a lot of discussion that doesn’t exist anywhere on Google.


In fact there is psilohuasca thread about combining rue and shrooms.

:rocket::rocket::rocket:

For the first timers if you taken raw rue, I strongly recommend not to exceed 2 grams or 2.5 of syrian rue because of strong weird side effects like retrograd amnesia, motion sickness, tinnitus and diarrae. Once you get used to effects you can take more.

:rocket::rocket::rocket:

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Re: Syrian Rue and mushrooms [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Unfortunately, there isn’t very much on psychedelics. So I’m just using the concept to go off of here.
If it makes you get high enough that you were inebriated. Or you’re tripping. Or you’re seeing some thing. Or your mood is altered. For the most part. That is going to lower your immune system.


It's stress causing this.  Drugs don't lower your immune system as a general rule, some in fact boost it as mentioned above.  Some will lower it.

But both positive and negative stress (excitement and anxiety) pulls us out of homeostasis (a calm, awake state).  This calm awake state is the best place for the body and mind to heal.

So, I would put forth, rather or not psychedelics improve or lower the immune system, is going to depend on rather it increases or lowers your stress.  And that's going to mostly depend on set and setting.


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