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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: thatiAM]
    #6409602 - 12/30/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

To let go indicates a release of tension. So, letting go in a given instance depends on what you are holding on to, back from, or just maintaining. If acceptance is a release of tension instead of a tightening of tension then release equals letting go. If such an acceptance creates tension instead of releasing it then it is not letting go.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6409605 - 12/30/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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let yourself fall like the autumn leaves




So, you are saying that that we should be dried up and without life?


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6409638 - 12/30/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

if you wish to put it so bluntly yes, that's half of what i'm saying.

the tree does not stay in bloom forever, eventually it must hibernate and give in to the darker times.

how would you know you were alive unless you've once been dead?

there are times when letting go is helpful and times when it is not, moderation and balance are the key as with most things in life. :mushroom2:

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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6409654 - 12/30/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

How might one go about letting go again. Meditation? Tripping... any other ways?

I have done it once. I cannot see how something like that could happen while sober. The most terrifying death of the self, the bliss when there is the rebirth of the soul, amalgamation with the void--the nothingness that is everything. Is it always like this to get there?

Oooooh, this is a question I never thought about but I would really like to know. How many times have you all been there?!?


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6415697 - 01/01/07 02:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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there are times when letting go is helpful and times when it is not, moderation and balance are the key as with most things in life. :mushroom2:

:earth: :yinyang: :shineon:




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Actually if you're practicing basketball for example(Im not an NBA player btw) its no use to let go because you have to find the weak sides of yourself to improve them(you need awareness) however if you are on a game which is going on you have to let go your skills to show themselves otherwise you may block them with your ego.If you overcriticize yourself in action your preformance will decrease.Life is much more the same in my opinion.

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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #6415703 - 01/01/07 02:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Letting go is like the dewdrop slipping off a lotus leaf into the pond.

We can imagine that it must have trembled before it fell, just on the edge between the known and the unknowable.

But when all is allowed and no-thing is held on to, the drop loses its identity as it makes the jump to join the vastness of the water below,

to become the pond so to speak.

This is letting go. :mushroom2:

:earth: :yinyang: :shineon:




I wont hear a better explanation


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: thatiAM]
    #6416928 - 01/01/07 10:45 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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thatiAM said:
Thanks but I don't know what that means. I am looking for some practical way to apply it.




I thought that was hilarious. Why does it have to be a lotus leaf? Symbols and symbols. I understand though I think it would dissuade someone who does not. There are more practical ways to speak. Less words, less associations.


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Indra's Net - There is an endless net of threads throughout the universe. The horizontal threads are in space. The vertical threads in time. At every crossing of threads there is an individual. And every individual is a crystal bead. The great light of absolute being illuminates and penetrates every crystal being, And every crystal being reflects not only the light from every other crystal in the net, But also every reflection of every reflection throughout the universe.

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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: ck10n3]
    #6417995 - 01/02/07 12:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Who here can "let go" on a whim at anytime?
Has anyone completely let go, and considers themselves full?

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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: thatiAM]
    #6418034 - 01/02/07 12:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Letting go means you realize that beating yourself up over something by dwelling on it doesn't help to make things right. You can't go through life blaming yourself or others for what mistakes we end up making. We are all victims of circumstances beyond our control, and thinking less of yourself for these mistakes is just a form of emotional abuse. In the end, such a method will just create more pain for yourself and others.

If you really want to help make things right, you have to to let go in the sense of not forgetting the past (since we can learn from it) but in the sense of not trying to fix things with needless dwelling that leads to shame, guilt, and regret. You have to move on to active, and thoughtful solutions. That is what I believe letting go means.


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6418069 - 01/02/07 12:35 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Are we talking about letting go when you're tripping? or letting go in general?

If we're talking about tripping, then letting go (in my experience and opinion), is more an act of relinquishing control. When I first tripped really hard, I kept trying to "hold on" to my understanding of my environment and my world. I tried to "hold on" to what I knew to be true. It was so difficult because everything around me was changing and everything looked and felt so different from how I thought I "knew" it. So when I finally "let go" was when I finally accepted that reality was mercurial and transient. I had to accept that there might be a lot I don't know (or maybe I didn't really know anything).

It's a similar thing in life in general I think. Letting go is obtaining serenity by accepting the fact that you might not have as much control over your reality as you'd like to have and that you probably don't know as much as you think you do and never as much as you'd like to.


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: rsimoa]
    #6418099 - 01/02/07 12:44 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think our viewpoints are mutually exlcusive. Sometimes you have to realize that you aren't always in control, and that the effort to maintain such control keeps your focus off of areas where you can be constructive. But the opposite can be true as well, if someone just lets life slip by them, and never makes an effort to accomplish anything worthwhile, they will waste their potential.


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: thatiAM]
    #6418109 - 01/02/07 12:46 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

One can not let go, unless one unleash the notion...

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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6418152 - 01/02/07 12:57 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't mean to say that one should throw in the towel completely. Like you said, if you let every thing go, then that's not so good either. Basically all I'm saying is the philosophy of the Serenity Prayer... we should all want for the courage and strength to do what we can, the serenity to accept what we can't, and the wisdom to know the difference.


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: rsimoa]
    #6418159 - 01/02/07 12:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

figure out whats restricting your breath
then how to let it flow better
then forget the whole thing ever happened


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: Cherk]
    #6418175 - 01/02/07 01:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Let go of 'having to let go' of...


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: Gomp]
    #6418639 - 01/02/07 02:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

what about when there is horrible pain and panic
muscle spasms and basically one hell after another?

letting go
and immersing into the center of the pain
is transformative.
things turn
it is very difficult


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6418671 - 01/02/07 03:07 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Then get help. Have someone hold you through when you are down, ask someone you care about to bring you food--call your friends. If they truly care, they will respond, and they will do everything they can for you. Maybe it won't help get rid of the pain entirely, but over time, it should alleviate. And you never know, maybe some day, the pain will begin to fade either by means of new technology, or by means of natural healing. Human beings are a lot sturdier then we are often times given credit for.


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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6418888 - 01/02/07 04:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I am pretty sure you are talking about meditation. Here is an experience I read that really helped me understand better. I have come to the threshold he speaks of only to be extremely afraid and panic ridden. I will now enter without fear. This really hit a deep chord in me.

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I just had a weekend workshop with one of my Taoist mentors and we talked briefly about this subject.. i was stunned and embarrassed at the simple wisdom in his perspective.. "If you're talking about it, you're not there, yet".. Once realized, it is no longer an issue.. "The enlightened Ones don't talk about it, they ARE it.. they LIVE it.. I asked him if he was enlighened.. he chuckled and said, "just like everyone else, when i can remember, i am".. he sat thoughtfully for a moment, then said, "maybe it's when i forget"...

We try to wrap our minds around the notion of enlightenment, and in doing so reduce it to the status of an object.. it is, rather, a state of BEing.. indescribable. I have seen commentary suggesting that when one attains "full enlightenment" there is a sort of transformation.. another of my mentors recalled his awakening in reference to the first true "sigh of relief", where at last he was free.. he said that the taste of true freedom surpasses anything he had known previously..

I was inspired to enter a deep meditative state after pondering these notions.. after a decent interval of regulating the physical processes i began shutting down the mental processes.. then i reached that familiar place, the threshold.. that place where you must make the choice to enter the void.. the Universe was wise to put a safety valve in the process, the threshold.. You can wander the cosmos exploring your spiritual presence any place or time, often referred to as "opening the third eye", then.. you arrive at the threshold.. like standing on a cliff, knowing that if you jump you will not be harmed, but still anxious.. Again, i gathered my energies and took the step.. again, there was the most exhilarating yet frightening sensations.. at first i "feel" the vibration of the Universal sound "Om", like standing in front of an enormous speaker and feeling a deep resonating bass sound, the vibration penetrates my entire being in a physical and energetic way.. at the same time there is the sensation of falling, not plunging but a fairly rapid descent.. it is this phase that has previously thwarted my efforts to progress.. anxiety causes me to retreat back to the threshold, a harsh feeling.. but, this journey i was calm and maintained a state of relaxed observation..

What occurrs next moved me so deeply that i am sharing it with you kind BEings.. There was a sensation of maximum chaos, of total sensory overload.. the sight was blasted by brilliant lightening flashes of colors, some colors i had never seen before and i have no frame of reference from which to describe them.. sounds so intense i believed that i was actually the sound itself.. tactile sensations so intensely tangible that they completely obliterated any previous notions of pleasure or pain.. in fact, the tactile sensations erased my previous notions of pleasure or pain, i can only indicate a sensation of Cosmic ecstasy where pain and pleasure are interchangable and appreciated purely for the experience..

At once, all of the usual senses were fully engaged, at levels i had never imagined and even now struggle to comprehend.. then, a new sensation, i could "feel" my mind.. i could "feel" energy, not the effects of energy.. i could "feel" what living energy feels.. at this point i was struggling with keeping the meditation intact, anxiety was beginning to manifest.. it was getting to be more than this feeble BEing could manage at my current place on the journey.. hoping to avoid the harshness of a panicked retreat, i tried to "raise" myself back to the threshold.. but, just as i conceived this action, i was blessed with a brief moment of clarity.. through some mechanism i cannot describe, i "understood" i had accessed the "Universal Mind".. i was feeling the living Universe.. but, as usual, anxiety prevailed.. the retreat was particularly harsh, but.. as i returned my awarenesses to my physical manifestation, i noticed that i was oddly energized, as compared to previous journeys.. in fact it was as energetc and alive as i have ever felt.. but, there was an equally negating feeling of being, well.. for lack of a better anaolgy, "stoned".. so, i lay there for more than an hour pondering the implications of that experience..

I contacted my mentor and described this in a babbling flurry of detail... he laughed hugely.. "welcome to the real YOU", he said.. "now that you've glimpsed the possibility, you can begin the real work"... learning to maintain that state, learning to isolate and "feel" what ANY BEing in the Universe feels, learning to "feel" what the most basic element of Life feels, learning to feel how Life feels to the supreme Source.. I asked if this was a glimpse of enlightenment, ne said NO!.. once you can access this state and maintain it, once you can isolate places and times and BEings and "feel" them as energetic manifestations.. then, you can begin to figure out what to do with this knowledge.. Knowing what to do with this knowledge AND doing it.. that, is enlightenment.. I asked why he hadn't told me this before.. another laugh, the kind you have when a child asks a cute question.. "because, until you glimpsed the mind of 'God' it would have been meaningless".. i understood.

So, i thanked my ego for letting me entertain the notion that i may have previously been near or at the condition of enlightenment.. thankfully, now i know better.. i have much work to do.. but, at least i have some clear direction.. Naturally, this is merely my recounting of my experience(s) and i assert no condition that should conflict with anyone else's experiences.. i only wanted to share, so.. humble thanks for this opportunity to share..

Be well..




I think that is letting go at least for some period of time and coming back. Though to let go completely, that is what I want to understand.


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-cK

Edited by ck10n3 (01/02/07 04:18 PM)

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Re: what is meant by letting go? [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6419743 - 01/02/07 07:49 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Then get help. Have someone hold you through when you are down, ask someone you care about to bring you food--call your friends. If they truly care, they will respond, and they will do everything they can for you. Maybe it won't help get rid of the pain entirely, but over time, it should alleviate. And you never know, maybe some day, the pain will begin to fade either by means of new technology, or by means of natural healing. Human beings are a lot sturdier then we are often times given credit for.



that's funny
I was trying to say that
by letting go
when I am tripping
and fall into tension
the release can be utterly cathartic. even epiphanic

but it is a journey from pain.

this technique which I learned on acid
has been helpful for other things too
such as kidney stone pain management
naturally the doctor's help was indispensible
and surgery also.


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