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OfflineSalvinorin
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Word of Mouth = Warrant?
    #6358228 - 12/11/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've been searching but haven't been able to find this information.


If someone who is not a government employee tells the police that a person is either producing or distributing something, is that enough to get a warrant to search the suspected person's house?

This is also assuming that the person has not actually been seen by the police distributing anything. The only thing that have to go on is word of mouth.


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Salvinorin]
    #6358322 - 12/11/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm no lawyer.
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Allot of times, no.....that is unless your a known offender, with prior convictions.

But,

Word of mouth is enough(depending on the source of said words) to bring you under preliminary investigation.

They run simple surveillance a night or two. They may do a trash pull.

If you have people in and out of your house, or if things look shady at your place, THEN they get a warrant.

If you have any drug related ANYTHING in your trash(seeds, stems, bags with residue, pipes, used screens, etc)....THEN they get a warrant.

I'm sure there are always exceptions to the rule.

Observe golden rule NUMBER ONE: TELL NO ONE!

and you should for the most part, be OK. :bong:


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Schwip]
    #6358371 - 12/11/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Alright. So they would mainly the monitor everything that went in and out of the residence in order to try to get a warrant.

Anyone else have any comments on this?


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Salvinorin]
    #6358521 - 12/11/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They could peep through windows... going through trash is a big one. Speaking with neighbors perhaps.


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #6359345 - 12/11/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That is all great news. Could they stop cars that leave from the person's house?


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Salvinorin]
    #6359366 - 12/11/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

legally no, unless there was an infraction. technically, probably.


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: demiu5]
    #6359428 - 12/11/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

hehe... sounds like the law to me.

Technically, probably. :smile:


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Schwip]
    #6359448 - 12/11/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Cars are just bad places to be if you're relying on the justice of the legal system to get away with something. If they want to stop you, you'll get stopped, and there's a good chance they'll get away with it.


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Salvinorin]
    #6360354 - 12/12/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

If someone who is not a government employee tells the police that a person is either producing or distributing something, is that enough to get a warrant to search the suspected person's house?




Depends upon the local laws. I have a friend that is a cop in New York City and he said that for New York, this would not be enough to get a warrant. He said that NYPD must have three different "things" before a judge will grant a warrant. These things might be three different buys by three different informants at three different times, etc.

I had a friend in Florida get raided (with a warrant) after somebody told the cops that he was growing mushrooms. Only problem was that he was growing edible mushrooms for some of the top chefs in the area and had never touched illegal mushrooms.

It all depends upon where you live.


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Seuss]
    #6360425 - 12/12/06 06:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

A common thing they'll do when it's word of mouth is... depending on which "mouth" their information is coming from, send a guy in to buy something. Only a problem if you're selling.


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Salvinorin]
    #6360444 - 12/12/06 07:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

the short answer is "yes". different communities and judges have different standards for what constitutes probable cause. in some places, a single "witness" with specific information is more than enough for police to obtain a warrant. you may as well assume you live in one of those places.

if depends also on who the informant is. if it's some random junkie, the cops probably are not going to go for it. a tip from a utility worker or irate ex-girlfriend about specific items and locations is usually enough for a warrant though.

don't tell anyone anything and the only person you have to worry about talking to the police is you.


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Re: Word of Mouth = Warrant? [Re: Salvinorin]
    #6370394 - 12/14/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If someone who is not a government employee tells the police that a person is either producing or distributing something, is that enough to get a warrant to search the suspected person's house?

I remember reading somewhere that TWO people snitching on you is enough to convince a judge to issue a warrant. Your best bet is to ask a lawyer, though, as even if what I read is true, it may not apply the same way in different geographic locations.


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