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Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD?
    #6332573 - 12/04/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I've often wondered whether ADHD is a real treatable condition, or if its just the condition of not being able to meet standards because of a different way of looking at life. I've also wondered if I have ADHD, but I always doubt I do because I have a hard time believing its a medical condition.

I exhibit many of the symptoms of ADHD, and have taken questionaires, all indicating I have ADHD. I've been a poor student my entire life, very forgetful of certain things, but very mindful of other things. I find my mind wanders when I'm forced to sit in a classroom setting and listen to a lecture, always shifting seating positions, and tapping my feet on the floor, and my pen on the desk. I don't feel that I'm dumb, and the topics covered in school are definitely within my intelligence, as I do learn the concepts, for the most part. I just fail to perform well in class.Then on the other hand, at work, I'm very reliable and productive, I've been working since I was 16, and have never had a complaint about work ethic, and have always quickly gotten raises, and small promotions.

Now I'm working 30 hours a week,and attempting to attend college full time. I work 5am-11am M-F usually, and take night classes. I feel that I didn't perform as well as I could've or should've in college and my energy levels are depleted. I was doing very well in the beginning of the semester, but then my performance tapered off in a couple of my classes; this is a trend I've been exhibiting since middle school.

Having taken Dexedrine and Adderall, I found they greatly improved my ability to focus and work in school, I stopped tapping my hands and feet in class, stopped moving around in my seat all the time, hung on every word my teacher said, and took great notes.

I feel like rearranging my schedule a little bit, and getting a Adderall or Dexedrine Rx may be just what I need to meet the goals I have set for myself for the next 4 years.

I'm looking for some input please!


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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6332765 - 12/04/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Even if ADHD isn't a real medical condition, the drugs used to 'treat' it are still cognitive enhancers. If Adderall and Dexedrine has helped you in the past, why not take it again? If you interested in performing better in school, I would also suggest you do some research about nootropics, such as Piracetam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6333922 - 12/04/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well, its not just school performance, its energy. To me, my schedule is very demanding. Between commuting, working, trying to keep up with school work, and trying to maintain a social life, I find myself drained.

I'm interested in this Piracetam, anyone with personal experience using it?

Also, I'm still looking for feedback regarding the first post.


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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6334383 - 12/04/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

unless ur psych is really cool, or ur therapist can recommend someone cool, you re probably not going to get the 'good' adhd medicine on ur first try and especially if u mention it by name ... subtler methods, like explaining ur symptoms will get u some medication, but most likely if you re not already on the rx then they will be hesitant to give it to u until u complain that the shit they give u initially and maybe subsequent to ur first complaints is not working and u need the 'real' shit... obviously this can be said in more technical and less direct terms because directness does not sit well with these people--(nay sayers start now) they like to think they ve figured u out, not that u know what dope u need

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: DAVID_ALLAN_CEO]
    #6334862 - 12/04/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Hey. Some things to keep in mind are exercise, food, and sleeping habits.

You might think.. man I am too tired to exercise a little let alone intensely and with consistancy.. but that is just excuses. You can do it and you should. Find a way to make that happen. I hope you know something about nutrition, too. If not, you should make that a priority. Sleeping is important, too. I suggest that you get 6-9 hours a night. I like to get more than that. =D

I live an active lifestyle that makes me strong in a way that enables me to adapt to many different situations, whether you are talking about paying attenion in a classroom or having stamina enough to be a competent worker. That, to me, is health. If you want some pointers, tell me so.


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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #6335640 - 12/05/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Hobbit, I will take any pointers you have to offer. You can post them on here for all of us to see, or you can PM me. Which ever you prefer, I'm all ears.

I've actually thought that maybe a lifestyle change could help. Though when I was in better physical shape, when I played sports in highschool, I still exhibited the same tendencies I mentioned in the first post when it came to school. I'm fine at work, never had a complaint, and have had lots of commendations from all my bosses.


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Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6335660 - 12/05/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

You sound a lot like me, man.  Like, A LOT.

I have taken Adderall and Strattera before.  Strattera was horrible - I was constantly drowsy and lethargic, and got a debilitating headrush every time I stood up. :rolleyes: Adderall helped me focus on school and work, but ultimately it had a really negative effect on me - I would get really bad mood swings and bursts of anger, I lost about 20 lbs. because of a suppressed appetite, I began to feel I needed Adderall and coffee just to start my day, etc.  I think Adderall is best used occassionally, perhaps for writing an important paper, studying for an exam, pulling a double shift, etc. 

If ADHD does indeed exist, I surely have it.  I am fairly confident that it does exist, at least inasmuch as those who 'have it' are at a real disadvantage in the education system and work forces as they are now structured.  What it's causes are may be more societal and developmental than genetic or physical, but it is nonetheless a real phenomenon.  I don't think the answer is amphetamines, though.  For me, changing my diet, forcing myself to get daily exercise, and using mushrooms and LSD occasionally to clear my mind and re-center myself, have made a big difference.  I still have a long way to go, though.

If you feel you should take the route of regular medication, then you should pursue that path with gusto.  If it doesn't seem to work, drop it and find what does.  :heart:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6336516 - 12/05/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

you are changing your mind

to get money

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: sleepy]
    #6337632 - 12/05/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Sleepy, explain.

You see, you don't know my situation, and I must do what I must do to make the life for myself that I wish to live.

I don't want money for much more than a place to live, food, some entertainment, and transportation, so I may continue to make money. There's nothing wrong with recognizing that I need to earn money to make a living. And theres nothing wrong with setting goals for yourself. Like I said, its not like I plan on living lavishly, I just want my life to be more stable in the future than it has in the past, and to have stability in the USA, you need some money.

Everyone changes their mind, if you didn't change your mind, you'd be the same person forever.


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Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6338324 - 12/05/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

It seems like you have a pretty brutal schedule. Work in the early morning and classes at night - When do you sleep?

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6340394 - 12/06/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

My schedule sucks ass currently, I take two naps a day. One between about 12pm-4pm, the other between 1am-4am. I know this interrupted sleep pattern definitely took its tole on my energy levels. I'm going to continue working the morning shift, but I'm scheduling all my classes this coming semester in the afternoon, right after work. I believe I should be home by 4 every day. Which gives me 4 hours for personal time, then I can crash and get my whole 8 hours.

I believe the amphetamines, taken as directed, could give me the boost I need to perform 100% at school and work. I used to take Adderall when I worked the 9pm-5am shift at taco bell. And I also took it a few times prior to school, just to see how it would effect me. No more than 30 mg, usually 10mg.

Plus, I work at a very nice gym in Maryland and I get a free membership, but I never have the time or energy to exercise. I think the adderall will give me the energy I need to add enough hours of weekly exercise to my schedule to increase my natural energy levels as well.


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Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6341767 - 12/06/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think getting proper sleep would help you considerably. When I don't get enough sleep, I have a terrible time paying attention and my intelligence seems to be generally lowered. I often make stupid mistakes that I don't think I would have made if I had got a full nights rest.

Also, research and ask your doc about Modafinil. It is a fairly new drug that is used to treat narcolepsy and is being used by some people for ADHD. The military also gives it to soldiers to help fight battle fatigue. :laugh: I've heard mixed reports. Most everyone agrees it is a great energy booster, but not everyone agrees that it improves concentration. Also keep in mind there is not much long-term research on this chemical.

As I mentioned before, Piracetam is one of the best cognitive enhancers on the market. I've tried DMAE and Ginkgo Biloba, but Piracetam blew them  both away. I noticed a slight improvement using DMAE, but it gave me acne.  :mad: And, I could not tell if Ginkgo Biloba had any effect at all. After taking Piracetam twice a day (2400mg+ per day) for about a week I could really feel a profound improvement. My grades went up, too.  :smile:

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6343677 - 12/07/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Cool, I think I might by myself some of that Piracetam for christmas! I'll look into that new drug too.

Anyone else have some input?


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Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: badreligion2good]
    #6348938 - 12/08/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Hey. There is pretty good evidence these days that AD/HD is a neurological disorder. I have ADD. Apparently we have a smaller number of dopamine receptors in our frontal lobes. Medication is the most effective solution. Psych strategies dont help except if you are on the meds and then the combination is a little bit better than meds alone but meds are the main treatment. There is some evidence that fish oil helps with attention (and it definitely helps with mood which is a bonus!). I read lately that being around nature helps for some reason, and exercise also helps :smile: I just started taking meds at the beginning of this year - dexamphetamine (we have that in Australia instead of adderall). I have been kind of depressed lately which alters attention for the worse, so things haven't been great for about a month or so, but in general things have been much better since I have been taking them. I reckon if you have been on meds that has worked well before, a psychiatrist will be more likely to give you those meds again. Go to one who has a special interest in AD/HD. Or better still go to one that you went to before. That is, if you decide that taking meds again is what you want to do.


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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? *DELETED* [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6356781 - 12/11/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Should I speak to my shrink about ADHD? [Re: xurzax]
    #6357461 - 12/11/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I got mine from www.relentlessimprovement.co
It is the only store I've found which has its products tested in an FDA approved facility.

There are a bunch of online stores you can buy it from and some health stores may have it too.

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