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Asante
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Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! 1
#6353820 - 12/10/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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On photos on this magnificent site I've seen cubies grow on many strange things. I have seen spores being germinated on sterilized cardboard. I have seen cubies fruiting on a Bible no less.
If you take the correct hardwood chips (like those for woodlovers) the story goes that Cubies will not grow on them.
This makes no sense to me. Cubies got cellulase, so they can feed off the cellulose like they do on cardboard. The protein is there as are the nutrients. Other than a bit of resin and lignin I see no reason why cardboard would work (germing spores even) but that the proper hardwood chips (pine kills any shroom dead, I know) won't take living spawn even reluctantly.
I know the story: it doesn't work.
But I want to hear it from the experienced. Are there some among you who has had cubensis spawn fail completely on the right kind of woodchips? Are there some who had it work for them? I know "nobody goes there", but I like to hear from the people who did.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Asante]
#6354672 - 12/10/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmmm,I don't know,it does make sense that they could grow on wood chips but there has to be a reason why no one does it,I would imagine it might just be that it is easier to grow them on other substrates and if you wanted to mess with wood you would just be growing wood lovers
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Blutjager]
#6355052 - 12/10/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've just read how you can bleach-pasteurize woodchips, then sprinkle them with blenderized fresh mushrooms in water, and that this has proven to work.
If it works for Cubensis too then it would be the best cultivation method ever as there is no need for sterile operations and expensive equipment.
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there has to be a reason why no one does it
That reason might be because everybody heard that it wouldnt work. That doesn't mean it doesn't work tho. For all we know the experimenter used common resinous pinewood, on which nothing would work.
Thats why I like to hear of people who actually tried it properly, just like with "you can't snort things that are not watersoluble" it might be a meme that everyone is repeating with conviction, but which perhaps isn't even true.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Asante]
#6355348 - 12/10/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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So are you gonna give it a go and let us know what happens with it ??
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Blutjager]
#6355380 - 12/10/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cubes are dung and straw loving mushrooms, not wood decomposers. Many different types of mushroom evolved to decompose different substrates. Cubes evolved in the compost rich soil beneath cow manure.
I just posted this a day or two ago. It's cubes fruiting on woodchips. It's not their normal diet and they fruit poorly on it, but they do fruit. . poorly. RR
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Asante
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6355475 - 12/10/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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It may fruit poorly, but it does at least look good enough for use as a spawn medium 
If the poor fruiting is the result of a mineral deficiency, perhaps some houseplant fert in the rehydration water might remedy that 
Thanks RR for proving that it can be done, if with poor fruiting results. At least the wood takes the mycelium well by the look of it.
fresh cubies --> liquid inoculant --> wood spawn --> compost
If this series runs then access to fresh cubies can make grain and sterile culture obsolete, as well as expensive grain if it is to be spawn anyway.
Did it take long to colonize? Could you take a print? What thread did you post it in?
I'm going myconuts
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Asante] 1
#6356337 - 12/10/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Funny this thread should pop up.
Recently foaf started some spawn with what were supposed to be ps cyan spores but it turns out she got burned in a trade and got cubie spores instead. The jars were started with about 95% wood chips and 5% grain.
They were shot up multispore and colonized just fine. She created a tub made of 100% wood chips and spawned a jar to this tub.
While it was colonizing, the other spawn jar she had started pinning invitro, shortly after the tub of woodchips started pinning too.
This tub was not watered and so there were a lot more pins that did not grow to maturity.
As you can see, wood can produce mature fruit bodies, tho not a lot of them.

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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: shobimono]
#6356502 - 12/11/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great results! It's a bit like feeding dogfood to a cat, but the results don't lie.
I've been searching and Whiterasta has been doing this kinda thing in 2004. He commented that adding poo tea to the woodchips increased yield.
It's beginning to sound more and more that woodchips aren't inhospitable to Cubies, but rather that they are nutrient deficient. Which probably means that if you add the missing nutrients in anorganic form, you might get the low price and contam resistance of woodchips as well as a decent fruiting yield. Interesting..
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Asante]
#6356512 - 12/11/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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god i totally forgot who did it but someone here got a pretty nice flush with the florida strain? hopefully someone will remember, and im pretty sure he gave a tuttorial of it too
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: myCo_psyCo]
#6356656 - 12/11/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did happen grow B+ on woodchips last winter, think i posted a thread about it... noone seemed very surprised.
ah there it is: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4438011
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Mindzpore]
#6356685 - 12/11/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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and although it seems i didn't post it in that old thread, i think i got five or six good flushes out of that little cake (supporting the idea that the cubies utilized the wood).
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Asante]
#6356744 - 12/11/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Great results! It's a bit like feeding dogfood to a cat, but the results don't lie.
I've been searching and Whiterasta has been doing this kinda thing in 2004. He commented that adding poo tea to the woodchips increased yield.
It's beginning to sound more and more that woodchips aren't inhospitable to Cubies, but rather that they are nutrient deficient. Which probably means that if you add the missing nutrients in anorganic form, you might get the low price and contam resistance of woodchips as well as a decent fruiting yield. Interesting..
Wood = lignum
I would imagine thin as paper hardwood shavings (not chips) would do better. Especially if soaked in h/poo or c/poo water for a time.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: agar]
#6357102 - 12/11/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
I would imagine thin as paper hardwood shavings (not chips) would do better. Especially if soaked in h/poo or c/poo water for a time.
You're right, what kept coming back in Search is that smller chips fruited better, which also points at perhaps poor penetration of the mycelium into the wood.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: Asante]
#6357151 - 12/11/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bras are far superior to woodchips. I suppose I could write a bra spawn tek, but first I need all the female members of the board to stop by my place, then we'll. . . RR
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6357163 - 12/11/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have a Bible study session. RR
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6357166 - 12/11/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Followed by a burrito lunch. RR
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6357168 - 12/11/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Later, if the wind kicks up, we can go kite flying. RR
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6357176 - 12/11/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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After all that, if you got the money, honey, I got the time. We can go out for dinner. RR
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#6357178 - 12/11/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Then, with or bellies full, we can cuddle up in bed with a nice stuffed animal. RR
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis and hardwood chips for the experienced! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6357192 - 12/11/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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LOL. i'm still waiting on the concrete tek roger.
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