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I need a fool-proof millet tek.
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I am the fool, hence I require a foolproof tek. I've tried to prepare millet a couple of times now w/o any success. I need to learn how to do this. Can anyone help? Yes, Anno I am aware of your grain for dummies tek. At this point I think a dummy would laugh at my attempts.

Joshua


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: MicronMagick]
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MM - he already said he was a fool, that is what is wrong!!!!
j/k joshua
i'd like to hear some more about millet also


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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100ml millet (birdseed) and 75ml water in pint jars, autoclave for 60 min

moisture content is about right, no contamination issues, the mycelium is all over it like a bum on a baloney sandwich

it's not much of a tek, i know, and your mileage may vary, but it IS a start


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: henryp]
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I use less water than that and it works well too - as long as you can shake the wedge around its all good...I sometimes mix in a tiny bit of brf to speed things up...
if your having trouble, start with just combining millet in a brf verm cake - such as 50% verm 40% millet and 10%brf then just go from their to proper spawn jars...good luck - i love cubies off millet


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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what is exactly your problem josh???
millet is the most simple of shakeable substrates.
just use half the volume of millet(with hulls) in water (i.e. 1 pint millet, 1/2 water)

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Edited by manson232000 (05/19/02 05:18 PM)

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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10 easy steps

1. Rinse millet thoroughly.

2. Soak millet in water overnight.

3. Rinse again and drain.

4. Fill jars about halfway.

5. Punch 5-6 small holes in the canning lid, cover with tyvek envelope. Then put the outer ring over the envelope.

6. PC for 1h 15min (shake after cooking) and let cool.

7. Innoculate with mycelial culture of choice (do not shake too much at this point).

8. Incubate at 85F.

9. Shake after the mycelium takes hold.

10. Shake again every few days as needed to spread the mycelium, allowing ample growing time in between shakings.

I call this the "millet for morons" tek.


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Edited by Catalysis (05/19/02 05:47 AM)

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: manson232000]
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another millet question....

in birdseed there are oftentimes more than one type of millet: yellow, red, etc. while if you bought plain millet-for-humans its always yellow (at least ime). any opinions on whether or not the added types are better for mycelium? is this why people use birdseed? or is it just because it is cheaper?


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Catalysis]
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Catalysis,

Will spores germinate in straight millet?
Would adding a tablespoon? of BRF allow spores to germinate?

I don't use agar, but would love to use millet...
thanks

-seril


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Seril]
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Well I just had my first two attempts at birdseed myself. I innoculated with spores, and they germinated just about the same time as it would have off of brf/verm cakes.

Anyways, everything was going fine, until today when I checked on them, 3 of the 12 jars had the green growing on them!!!

I dumped them out, and was just playing with the birdseed, and the birdseed felt pretty dry. I used DH's birdseed method, I think it was 1/3c water to 2/3c birdseed. Just added them, and PC'ed them for an hour.

Now two days ago, I tried another method: I just added birdseed, and water and simmered it for 30 minutes. A few of the kernels popped, but I just threw them in jars anyways, and PC'ed them.

Next time, im going to let them just sit in the water, drain them and PC them from there...

Anyone else have other full-proof ways?

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: angryshroom]
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>I dumped them out, and was just playing with the birdseed, and the birdseed felt pretty dry. I used DH's birdseed method, I think it was 1/3c water to 2/3c birdseed. Just added them, and PC'ed them for an hour.

My friend found ratios of 2 : 1, birdseed : water, to work

>Anyone else have other full-proof ways?

Came upon this totally by accident. Fill jars, 2:1 ratio as above. Load into PC. Turn heat on, let pressure build to 15psi. Turn heat off and let cool overnight. Next day, turn heat on and PC at 15psi for 1 hour. This has worked with little loss to the big C.
Gypsum also helps to stop grain sticking. 30% brown rice is good too. Shaking jars right after pressure has dropped (watch them , they are damn hot!).
Reading through a Stamets book the other day, he recommended letting the water boil in the PC for 5 minutes before putting the weight on the vent thingie, then building to 15psi and PCing for 1.5 hours. According to the book, the temperature in the center of the jar may not be reached, boiling the water first in this way ensures it does.

Good luck



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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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My first attempt at millet was using Mycofile's directions in his bulk tek. He said to let the outside of the millet dry after simmering. I left it out for two days trying to get the outsides of all of the seeds dry. I think this made my millet too dry. None of the jars colonised very far.

My second attempt was a big mistake. I loaded too much millet into my jars. I used equal weights of millet and water per Una's advice. I then PC'd for an hour. I have millet cakes now. They won't shake at all.

I will keep trying untill I get it to work.

Thank you for all of the replies.

Joshua


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Are you using millet from A store that ends in MART ? (WalMart treats there whole grain Millet with Iodized Salt- I think thats bad?)

I failed using birdseed many times & The only thing that worked for me was
to Fill a quart jar with the following: 200ml millet to 115ml distilled water/wheat piss (Using Baby Bottle for exact measurements) & a pinch of gypsum- Make sure you apply the gypsum after the water or else it tends to stick to the sides of jar when cooked- Now, Place lid/filter/foil onto the jar & place in incubation chamber for 24hrs. Once Times up- Pressue Cook Jars for 1hr15m.
A) let jars cool in PR. or
B)use Hepa/flowhood to cool jars off quickly
Thats It-

Good Luck


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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I reiterate. There is no need to cook the grain. There will be enough water from soaking and draining (do not drain it bone dry) to cook in the PC. This way the grain will start exploding just as it finishes in the PC. Using the above method, my friend has never had a contaminated jar (granted he has only done 30-40 jars in total). He has used both pet food and wild bird food (mostly millet) with success at both multi-spore innoc. and grain transfer in open air. The key is the 85F incubation temp. and you should use a transfer if possible because spores take a long time to grow on grain.


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Edited by Catalysis (05/21/02 09:34 AM)

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Catalysis]
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Is there no water added to the millet?

Good luck



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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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No water needs to be added in the jars after soaking. Just leave a little water in the bottom of the jars and the millet gets steam cooked in the PC.


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Hey Joshua; too-dry millet is not often the case, though after hearing the warnings about 'birdseed bricks' you may have gone too far the other way. I've tried gypsum, and found equal success without it as long as you use an appropriate amount of water.

I rinse thoroughly, but don't bother with an extended soak. . .just stir vigorously about 2.5 liters of seed [1 PC load] in tap water until most of it is submerged and the solution is murky. Usually, I'll take this opportunity to skim some of the sunflower seeds, not all, but most. Then using a little handstrainer, I pour the water and seed into the strainer until it is full, then give another tap water rinse over the full strainer. The 'completely' rinsed seed is then deposited in a separate bowl. This is repeated until all the grain is 'washed'. Water is continually added to the original seed slurry, so that it can continue to be poured into the strainer until it is all washed.
Without measuring, the jars are loaded with the washed grain, right around half full gives a nice sized spawn jar to work with.

This is the tricky part, that I can post a pic later for you. . .a little bit of liquid is added to each. In a past post, I way overstated the amount of liquid. IMO you should add some, but not too much after this quick washing protocol. A rough estimate might be [in terms of height in the jar]:

Water=2/3 to 3/4 the height of washed grain. You should have shakeable spawn within this range. I have a pic somewhere of what I think is an ideal level for this recipe.

BTW, that ratio will be valid regardless of how full you fill the jars.

The advantage I find, is that jar prep is a one-step ordeal, no waiting for soaking, use of the stove, etc. And once you bang that first PC'd birdseed jar and it comes apart with ease, you'll never go back

I'll find those pics in a bit. . .best of luck

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Catalysis]
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Spores take a longer time to germinate on birdseed, huh? Wow, never knew that.

The PR's I innoculated havent shown shit and its been like 5 days now! However, the cambodian's showed growth in like 3.

Since Im not able to do agar here, I guess I'll just do grain to grain transfers from now on!

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: angryshroom]
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josh i just started millet, its verry easy, i made 8 pint jars and all colonized in about 1.5 weeks

step 1.

use anno's dummy tek


step 2,

grow lots of shroomies




must be easy enuf

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: angryshroom]
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Yes, i think spores take longer on birdseed because of the gaps between the seeds. Its probably harder for the beginning mycelium to take hold (never shake in the early stages). I have found that grain transfers work exceptionally well with birdseed, however. My friend often gets a quart jar colonized in under 5 days using transfers. With that kind of colonization speed, minimal efforts are needed to maintain sterility.


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Edited by Catalysis (05/22/02 06:19 AM)

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Catalysis]
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Adding a little coir to the millet seems to work wonders for speeding up colonization. My friend has only run a single test, but the coir/millet jars seemed about 10% faster than just plain millet.


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Here you go Joshua, some good pics;

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=644625&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Suntzu]
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Your tek worked. Thank you much. If I can continue w/ this success I will be very happy. Thank you!

This is for others:

Be careful not to soak the seeds too long, they will take on too much water, two times at 5 minutes each worked for me. I left some soaking for an hour or so and they took on too much water.

Amazonian isolate:


Un Id isolate:


Joshua


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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hehe nice man.

Yah i got my birdseed wokring great.
Check it out, a PF style birdseed jar...I only had a few quart/pint jars left so I tried it with some 1/2 pint filled to the brim..just seeing how it will work. No filter except for foil..lol

PR strain:


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Re: I need a fool-proof millet tek. [Re: Joshua]
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Hey, those jars are looking better than mine!

Glad to have helped, once you get it a couple times, it's old hat; Thanks for the pics. . .the Panellus will be a cool one to get fully colonized, eh?

That's a good point about the soaking; I just bull-rush through it. Submerge, stir, strain, rinse, and load.

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