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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: Veritas]
    #6361648 - 12/12/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Rather than asking "is it OK?" we should ask "why is it exciting?" This question, IMO, would lead us to exploring the repression of sexuality, as well as the severe emotional neglect and abuse faced by boys in the name of "Manhood."


Good question. Why is violent porn exciting?


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: FatBath]
    #6361666 - 12/12/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I noticed in high school that descriptions of rape aroused me.

Don't worry, you're not the only one. Holding the belief that violence against women is wrong, yet still being aroused by it, seems common.


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6361722 - 12/12/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Rather than asking "is it OK?" we should ask "why is it exciting?" This question, IMO, would lead us to exploring the repression of sexuality, as well as the severe emotional neglect and abuse faced by boys in the name of "Manhood."


Good question. Why is violent porn exciting?




Why is violence exciting?
Why is sex exciting?

Each are related to our survival and the continuation of the species. Individually, both are good at affecting the old dopamine and epinephrine in the brain; together, even moreso.


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: Ravus]
    #6362097 - 12/12/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I concur. :thumbup:


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #6362606 - 12/12/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Veritas said:
There are a few female directors who have made erotic, graphic, adult films.  These films could correctly be referred to as pornography, yet they include relational and emotional aspects which are foreign to standard-fare "fuck films."  Progress?




No male directors have ever made films like that huh?




None that I have viewed or heard of, though there is certainly a spectrum of pornographic movies (directed by men) between "Biker Babes Buttfuck" and some of the newer, erotic films by female directors.

Do you have recommendations?  :wink:


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: Veritas]
    #6362843 - 12/12/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I once had an idea for a website of romantic porn, but I'm not sure if there's a big enough market for it. Then again, if there's a market for chicks sucking off horses, there's gotta be one for this.


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6362855 - 12/12/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

I wasn't referring necessarily to "romantic porn," as there have been many soft-core, late-night on Showtime movies made which fit this description.  The mix between Harlequin romance novel and hot sex doesn't seem to work very well.

I do think that there could be a market for hard-core, artistic, erotic films featuring graphic sex AND a script.


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: Veritas]
    #6364123 - 12/12/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think violent sex is exciting because it is "taboo" in a sense. Also, many men are aroused by the objectification and degradation of women (myself included, though I wish I weren't at times). I believe much of this is induced by media presented images of women as a weaker sex who must use their sexuality in order to compete with men. This is the result of male insecurity and a male dominated society.


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6365390 - 12/13/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Rather than asking "is it OK?" we should ask "why is it exciting?" This question, IMO, would lead us to exploring the repression of sexuality, as well as the severe emotional neglect and abuse faced by boys in the name of "Manhood."


Good question. Why is violent porn exciting?




My theory is that violent sex is the expression of passion under the influence of repression, combined with the association of love and abuse (linked up during childhood.) Women who were abused as children tend to become involved with abusers, and men who were abused (or witnessed abuse) during childhood tend to become abusers. Monkey see, monkey do. We seek out what feels familiar, what we have learned to describe as "love."

Combine that with the gradual desensitization of children via TV and movies (By the time a child is eighteen years old, he or she will witness on television [with average viewing time of 44.5 hours per week] 200,000 acts of violence including 40,000 murders), and you have eliminated the perceived "consequences" of enacting violent behaviors.

Violent porn allows those who have repressed their passion to imagine what it would be like to finally express their feelings. It allows the disempowered to imagine being powerful. It taps in to the "inner caveman," and strips away the veneer of civilization.

Edit: I found an interesting PBS show on the topic of pornography.

PBS Show


Edited by Veritas (12/13/06 09:56 AM)


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: Veritas]
    #6365798 - 12/13/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah repression seems to be key here. If you masturbate and feel guilty, then there is conflict, fighting, violence in what you do. You look at porn and feel guilty. Now sexual violence will take an appeal.

So maybe, to stop psychicly raping people, you better start jerking off, and you better like it. Of course, the less timid way want to just go about having that deep, spooge denying, surrendur sex for hours on end.

edit: Just so you all know, the library brought me to the ACCESS RESTRICED CYBER PATROL after posting this.


Edited by FatBath (12/13/06 11:51 AM)


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6369292 - 12/14/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Rather than asking "is it OK?" we should ask "why is it exciting?" This question, IMO, would lead us to exploring the repression of sexuality, as well as the severe emotional neglect and abuse faced by boys in the name of "Manhood."


Good question. Why is violent porn exciting?




Maybe you should ask why isn't it exciting to you, and why you would judge another because they in-fact might enjoy that... Truly in a forum such as this tolerance to ones personal beliefs might be given...

But what is it you are speaking about? Are we taking about just straight over the counter, sneak in the back room of the Video store stuff, or are we talking about other things? Yes i myself find women doing "nasty" things on men, and women with animals kind of disgusting, and vile, but believe it or not there are people out there who get sexually excited when they see this...

We can not judge others because we ourselves think something is sicking.. As long as nobody is violating the rights of children, or raping a womens soul, then we are forced to turn away in disgust as a Japanese women does things only found in a bathroom..


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: MrSinister]
    #6370071 - 12/14/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe you should ask why isn't it exciting to you

I never said it wasn't.


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Re: Violent Pornography? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6372811 - 12/15/06 04:56 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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My theory is that violent sex is the expression of passion under the influence of repression



nail on the head.

I find it very hard to believe that any emotionally balanced person finds violent porn exciting or erotic. (Im not talking about erotic sadomasochistism, Im talking about direct, simple violence, like hitting and slapping the woman, hitting her head off the toilet  :what: etc). If the woman enjoys domination and stuff then sure it could be erotic, but you can tell that the stuff in extreme porn flicks is just abuse. The girls arent enjoying it, they're being physically assaulted, so its just sick. Ive only seen that sort of thing a couple of times and it make me feel nauseus.

As a guy, Id say that more than half the pleasure in sex comes from giving the woman as damn good a time as possible. What I feel is secondary to what my girlfriend feels, in terms of how much I enjoy myself. Obviously a good hard fuck is great too...and where porn's concerned, as long as the woman is appealing sexually and she looks to be having a good time its usually all good. But in terms of erotic fantasy, the woman comes first. :lol: I dont think theres a place for violence unless both partners are involved, and its very obvious when someones enjoying sex and when theyre not.


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