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    #633393 - 05/16/02 05:52 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #633548 - 05/16/02 07:51 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

i personally have had no issues with the search feature, i always seem to find what i am looking for, but improvments are always a good thing.

i think it may have been suggested some time back, but i think a newbies forum would be a good idea. that way there is a place for a ll the basic repeat questions, and the newbies can ask stupid or repetative questions without raising such a fuss and it would also thin out the regular cultivation forum...


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anonymous]
    #633619 - 05/16/02 08:36 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

heh...I agree...the FAQ works wonders...lets just say i'm working on a little something something! i'll post a sneak-peak when i'm done a little more! this is good-sized project (nothing extreamly specil dont get my wrong) but i'm sure it will help a lot of newbies. Lets just hope somebodys doesnt steal my idea first or something...

just think: lazy newbies trying to cultivate (they need help and lots of it)


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anonymous]
    #633848 - 05/17/02 04:09 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

heheee a newbie forum. I love it. I would want luvdemshrooms to be the Mod there hahahaa


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anonymous]
    #633943 - 05/17/02 06:53 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

wouldn't newbies want to hear from "experienced" growers who could answer their q's better?? so having a newbie forum would be ptless since they would most likely be getting the info from "experienced" growers.
but i do agree it is pretty damn repetitive seeing the same q's over and over again IMO


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #634038 - 05/17/02 08:41 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

lol
vote and we will have a clear cut winner
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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: psilosinner]
    #634505 - 05/17/02 03:46 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

"Why I Support the Newbie Forum" by the good Reverend Smack!

No matter what you do to improve search features or the FAQ, newbies are bound to post the same questions over and over. There will for ever be the clutter, and there will for ever be the bitching and sharp replies. With the addition of a Newbie Forum, there will be a place where the questions are expected, and I'm sure experienced growers will pop in from time to time to answer their questions.

Other than that you may as well just get use to hearing questions from people that don't want to do a little research on their own.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #634745 - 05/17/02 08:05 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

hahah....I dont give two fucks about spelling or grammer and shit...aslong as my ideas can come across clearly i'll be happy. I post...I post a lot! It takes time...it takes a lot of time!

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: phrozendata]
    #635281 - 05/18/02 10:26 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #651373 - 05/29/02 02:45 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Here here, I'll second this post.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #654258 - 05/30/02 07:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

First off I am a newbie and would like to apologize if any of my questions have annoyed anyone. I have been using the search feature much more lately and it does help in most instances, but occassionly it will come up with so many results that aren't quite what I'm looking for although I'm sure some questions I have have been asked a thousand times. One problem I have is that different teks have different information and sometimes I get confused and it is nice to hear an opinion from someone who is experienced. Well anyway for everyone that does put up with dumb newbie questions I would like to say thankyou. Peace to all


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #654975 - 05/31/02 07:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

basic cult forum is newbie and will always be. its just the same questions asked by different people, but most questions do get answered by neophite newbies (or the occational vetran if the question is "worthy") and the cycle goes on and the newbies learn. if you are an experienced grower then you should have no reason to make a post in that forum. either use the faq or hit up adv cult if you need some educated advice.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #656342 - 05/31/02 07:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, Vatoloco, you damn newbie; I have found an answer to ALL of your questions by using the damn search engine. I posted the FIRST, MOST relevant answer that I found. (uh, I am joking about the newbie thing)

1.what is vermiculite?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=594506&Forum=Forum2&Words=what%20vermiculite&Match=And&Searchpage=4&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=594506&Search=true#Post594506

2. where do I get vermiculite?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=361887&Forum=Forum2&Words=where%20vermiculite&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=361704&Search=true#Post361887

3. what is perlite?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=460300&Forum=Forum2&Words=what%20is%20perlite&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=460300&Search=true#Post460300

4. where do I get perlite?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=15628&Forum=Forum2&Words=where%20to%20get%20perlite&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=15628&Search=true#Post15628

5. what's the most potent shroom?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=569971&Forum=Forum2&Words=potent%20shroom&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=569971&Search=true#Post569971

6. what's the best shroom for a newbie?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=476349&Forum=Forum2&Words=best%20newbie&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=476349&Search=true#Post476349

7. how long till pinning?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=637652&Forum=Forum2&Words=pinning&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=4&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=634921&Search=true#Post637652

8. how do I control temperature?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=636115&Forum=Forum2&Words=temperature%20control&Match=And&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=636115&Search=true#Post636115

9. how do I control humidity?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=628935&Forum=Forum2&Words=humidity%20control&Match=And&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=628866&Search=true#Post628935

10. how do I measure humidity?(SAME POST)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=628935&Forum=Forum2&Words=humidity%20control&Match=And&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=628866&Search=true#Post628935

11. why are my shrooms so small?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=67852&Forum=Forum2&Words=why%20mushrooms%20small&Match=And&Searchpage=3&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=67852&Search=true#Post67852


Now, as annoying as these, ENDLESSLY, repeated questions are, I think the community does a dis-service to the board by, ENDLESSLY, answering these questions. If you must answer, because you have a good heart, or because you once posted one of these questions, then at least just post a link to the info and make the newbie READ; just like most of us did.
Just my 2 cents.




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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #657967 - 06/01/02 08:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I AGREE WITH YOU SO DAMN MUCH I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BIG KISS.
But, I don't swing that way.
I agree with you completely. I was just trying to show, in my lame ass way, that the method for dealing with it is to constantly put up links to the answer. And, to always tell the poster to STOP being lazy and use the search engine.
Hell, that is where I found all of this.
I don't know how to make it a sticky post; but you are welcome too if you can.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: mrfreedom]
    #658265 - 06/02/02 03:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Funny thing, when I tell people to stop being lazy asses, I get flamed.

I think it makes some people feel important when they answer the dumbest, laziest posts from assholes who are too stupid to live.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #658297 - 06/02/02 04:19 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

I think it makes some people feel important when they answer the dumbest, laziest posts from assholes who are too stupid to live.




now that is the funniest thing i have read this morning!!!

you go bro!


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Roadkill]
    #658309 - 06/02/02 04:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

if you guys do not like answering newbie questions, you can go to the forest floor where newbie questions are ridiculed.

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #658320 - 06/02/02 04:38 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It's not that newbies ask questions, some are actually good questions.

It's that they don't take the time to see if that same question has already been asked. They are too fucking lazy to take the time to try and help them selves.

I will never stop slamming assholes like that.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #658675 - 06/02/02 09:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Alas, nice escapes me when it comes to most of the twits who post here.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #659271 - 06/02/02 05:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I say who gives a fuck...this is not the-hive.ws, this is the shroomery.... have a little heart....

When i came here I asked some simple shit when I was new...people helped me and I was glad.....amd those people were not your big name cultivators that are always here.....they were guys like me who learned and then helped and then moved on.....just as I did......

So, if you can not answer some simple fucking questions...keep your ass away from MC cause there are a lot of those...after all, it is NOT advanced MC....

you whiny fucking elitist bitches....you have no fucking care for the true spirit of these forums....please move on to the forest floor....cause they are in tune with your selfishness

Help, let others help or move on
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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #660561 - 06/03/02 01:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I am not elitist nor am I selfish. I also came here, and drool when it was up, to find information. I didn't just start asking questions though. I read and read and read. I downloaded the relevant FREE mushroom growing guides. These guides answered my most minute questions. I found these guides in the forums. I didn't have to ask for them they were already posted. I didn't have to ask what, vermiculite was(even though I had never heard of it) that information is in several of the guides that I read.(as well as where to find it)

Even in the begining of my search for knowledge, I took the time to search the basic words that I came across. Such as, perlite, pressure cooker, jars, strains, PFtek, humidity, temperature, terarium and so on. I fail to see how it is beneficial to any newbie to do the work for them. At the very least, one would wish to HELP the newbie by teaching them to find the answer's themselves. What if they need the information rightaway? Would it be better for them to sit by their computer waiting for the answer or would it be better it THEY knew how to search out the most basic answer's themselves. I think the answer is obvious.

I am not down on newbies, as such, I am down on the simplistic nature of the questions that are asked. Those type of questions denote a complete lack of respect to those that have done the research and posted their findings. This person, asking the most basic questions, shows disrespect to the board and it's grow members every time that they refuse to even bother using the search engine.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: mrfreedom]
    #660738 - 06/03/02 03:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

BRAVO!!!!!

*A tear trickles down my cheek*


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: mrfreedom]
    #661294 - 06/03/02 08:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

So either ignore the dumb questions or take a minute to post a link to the FAQ or take two minutes to type an answer.........

If you guys start flaming newbies just because they ask some dumb questions........you'll be the ones that look stupid....

It's not like you have to look at the questions and you certainly do not have to answer the questions......

Some of us are more adept at reading a cult manual and following the directions with minimal help from the outside...and then there are those who need a little bit more help and some who need lots of help....


there are no dumb questions....just dumb asses who flame when someone asks a simple question.....


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    #661536 - 06/03/02 10:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I agree wholeheartedly with PGF here.

I mean yes some of you in the beginning read, used the search engine, etc..... But you forget that thats you, you knew to look before you asked. We get people from all over the world visiting this site, people who don't speak very good english, people who have logged onto the internet for the first time.

We can't expect everyone to be like us, that is a true way to be miserable in life hoping that everyone will be just like you. Thats why you find so much intolerance, its because you want only behavior that you approve of.

Give the newbies some slack, I had a friend of mine from Iceland ask questions in mush cult, he read the PF tek, and lots of other info but he still asked some basic questions because he was unsure of a few things.

Newbie questions will always exist, its impossible to change, and to bitch about it is like complaining how time keeps moving..

If it bothers you don't click on the thread, don't reply, and I think you'll be much happier.

I thought websites like this were to help others, to teach and reach new levels in this hobby.. When new people come to this hobby its intimidating, all the info people have to take in, I welcome those newbies and hope that you at least be cordial to even the simplest questions.

You can be a jerk to these people, or you can be helpfull; hell you can even ignore them..... But what do you think is better, being nice to someone you just met, or giving them attitude?



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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Thor]
    #661607 - 06/04/02 12:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp. I don't mind newbie questions. I do mind lazy newbies who can't be bothered to read. I do mind totally moronic newbie questions. I have offered suggestions to make sure that newbies read the teks and FAQ. You dismissed them. There are many, myself included who don't mind the newbies asking questions. It's the stupid questions we mind. My pet peeve is the question.... My casing (or cake) is contaminated, should I eat the shrooms anyway? I may let them know it's a stupid question, but I always give an answer. My second peeve is lazy asses.

So as long as there is stupidity, I will remain (as you call it) a jerk.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #661609 - 06/04/02 12:52 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And PGF, there is a link to the FAQ in everyone of my posts.

And Thor, this should be at least tried (this is the suggestion I refered to in my previous post),

"I still think there should be a page that appears before you can make a post that asks if the poster to be has done a search and read the FAQ with the ability to do both on that very same page. Also on that page should be a list of rules such as no cross posting and off topic posting. Add a list of the descriptions for the forums just like on the list of forums page.
It may help, it may not. Can't hurt though. "

With the speed of the new server, which is nice by the way, there would be a minimal delay.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #661635 - 06/04/02 01:40 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

We'll definately give that some thought, being that Anno's home is mush cult we should see what he thinks about this.

But even with a page like that this will still happen, people will just simply click OK, and make a post...

I think you have to see why I'm not optimistic, newbies on all kinds of message boards behave this way and its next to impossible to stop stupid questions and to stop them asking questions that have been asked before.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Thor]
    #661663 - 06/04/02 02:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"I still think there should be a page that appears before you can make a post that asks if the poster to be has done a search and read the FAQ with the ability to do both on that very same page. Also on that page should be a list of rules such as no cross posting and off topic posting. Add a list of the descriptions for the forums just like on the list of forums page. It may help, it may not. Can't hurt though."

Definitely something that should be considered.
At overgrow.com there is something like that appearing before the first 10 or so posts.

If this would help is written on another piece of paper...I doubt it.

So, in a long term, there is only one way, namely to politely but determined point the people who ask ridiculous questions into the right direction (FAQ, Shroomery Grow/Find section....).


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #662577 - 06/04/02 01:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't expect miracles, but it can't hurt to try. Just be sure to put the "OK" button way down at the bottom of the page. Sadly, with people being willing to answer even the most inane and simply researched questions, I'm sure the problem will never go away.

I realize I get a bit testy over this. It probably doesn't help that so many are willing to help those who are basically hopeless.
I'd love to see people just ignore those type of questions.

I read these forums several times a day. I read them this morning before 6, when I arrived home at 5 this afternoon there were 36 new posts. Maybe 2 - 3 of these should have been there.

When I do attempt to point people in the right direction, I get flamed. Sometimes I probably deserve it as I can be a bit blunt.
I have even posted a link to the FAQ in my sig. I wish more would add that link. Can that be done at your end to every post?


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #663361 - 06/04/02 11:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Thor,
Sounds like a deterant...a pain in the ass showing newbies that their questions are unwelcome......

Why not adopt the Hive's way and make it impossible for newbies to post for a 24 or 48 hour period?

That would be just as useless and spiteful.

Even with this new system, the kind of folk that ask the simple questions are not going to NOt ask these questions.

The only thing this will do is make it SEEM alright for "old poster1234" to flame some newbie when they do ask a question covered in the FAQ.

And, there is also the possibility that having roadblocks for newbies will help them to decide that this is not a community for them...and then they move on....and then who misses out? We do as a community...all because of some foolish pride that some old growers have.

Think about it...don't just be reactionary...think the thing through all the way....your motives for this are selfish.....If you don't want to answer the question then point a newbie to the FAQ....if you do not want to point a newbie to the FAQ then IGNORE the post...someone will help them.....

You guys should think this through....and if you do and still implement this thing you should be ashamed of yourselves.......really.

This is one area where there is no need for change. These boards have functioned this way long before you kids got here.......Mush Cult is the heart of this place....don't go fucking with it

Maybe, just maybe, for those of you who are seriously considering this...it is time to move on......

Thor, do not give into the pressure. You do not want to make these forums LESS than what they have always been and that is a welcoming place for newbie's to learn about cultivating mushrooms.

Yes, this Anno guy is an admin now, but you were admin first and you inherited this place from the founders. You make the final choice. How this place turns out is a direct reflection on you. So far, it's been mostly good. A screw up with the cult forum could be devastating.

Every newbie is important. This is not som elitist bullshit club. This is for all. Take them as they come.


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    #663409 - 06/05/02 12:13 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

PGF, why do you insist that, because some of us wish that other's LEARN, that we are elitist. Why do you insist that we leave the community? What is wrong with the proposals at hand? Nothing, that's what.
I don't advocate flaming newbies, in fact NOONE, has suggested this as a corrective action. I realy like my answer, but I am biased. What is wrong with doing a quick search, posting the link and then having the newbie read it? Surely, even if they are from another country, they would be best served by having multiple in depth links, as opposed to a quick answer from an experienced grower.
That way, if the need arrises, and they are unable to fully master the search engine right away, they will have the information at their disposale should they need to use an interpretation tool.

Perhaps you have a point though. Perhaps ALL post's should just be answered. No giving out the faq, as someone pointed out, they may not be able to read it. No giving out links, same reason, and it might be considered flaming. No quirky answers, no asking if the newbie even knows what a search engine is. Let's just let them live in abject ignorance. That way they can perpetuate the cycle of stupidity and dependance that we(current members) have begun.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #663444 - 06/05/02 02:18 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>Yes, this Anno guy is an admin now, but you were admin
>first and you inherited this place from the founders. You
>make the final choice.

Huh? Do I hear some anger in these words?

I have been given an admin status to help this place become a better place by putting together the FAQ (with great help of of oscill8 and phrozendata) and putting together the Bookstore(after Thor had the idea, with help of...hmmm... nobody).
Just because I have an A with my username, this doesn?t make me a decission maker at these boards, I am very glad i don?t have to do it with all the troublemakers here...

I give my oppinion to things just as everybody else does and should do.
A splash screen untill the 10th post would be a good thing IMO.


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    #663629 - 06/05/02 06:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If your ultimate goal is to lose potential newbie cultivators
and bring an elitist feeling to the OTD, then the splash screen is a good thing.

I did not ask anyone to leave. I just think that if you are tired with the way this community was set up to help people, newbies in particular, then maybe you have outgrown the community. I did not say that was fact, I said maybe. There was no anger.

I just pointed out to Thor that he was handed the reigns and ultimately, the decision is up to him, even though there are others here in the admin, that's all.

No hostility. Just as you have your opinion, I have mine. I don't think there has been anything wrong with the manner in which I expressed my opinion. Sorry if you feel different. It seems a little heart fealt opposition is making you uncomforatable.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #663651 - 06/05/02 07:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"I just think that if you are tired with the way this community was set up to help people, newbies in particular, then maybe you have outgrown the community. "

I don?t get it.
Why don?t you go and read what I wrote before stating such ridiculous comments.
I wrote a few posts ago:

"So, in a long term, there is only one way, namely to politely but determined point the people who ask ridiculous questions into the right direction (FAQ, Shroomery Grow/Find section....). "


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    #663676 - 06/05/02 07:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You also entertain the splash screen idea.

My posts are not necessarily directed at you, Anno.

Don't take it personally.

My posts are directed toward the idea of a splash screen, etc., and those who would support such a thing.

relax

mrfreedom, I have already stated that posting a link to th faq is a good thing for those who do not wish to answer newbie questoins. Those who do not wish to post a link to a faq can ignore.


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    #665252 - 06/06/02 05:42 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Questions and answers are the whole reason this board exists. I am grateful for all the help and information this forum and members have given me in the past. That is why there are two forums. One for newbies and one for advanced. There are no stupid questions in the world, Just stupid answers. If you do not like what is going on in one forum don't go there. Just my opinion. Thanks for the oppertunity to voice it.


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    #665759 - 06/06/02 11:11 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

There are no stupid questions in the world, Just stupid answers.



Sadly, that's just one of those stupid sayings dreamed up by a dumb ass. There are stupid questions, stupid answers, stupid observations, stupid sayings, and far too many stupid people.


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    #665781 - 06/06/02 11:29 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

don't be so hard on yourself luv (-;


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #665803 - 06/06/02 11:44 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well luvdemshrooms you have proven me wrong!!! "Sadly, that's just one of those stupid sayings dreamed up by a dumb ass. There are stupid questions, stupid answers, stupid observations, stupid sayings, and far too many stupid people. " Just proves your point all to well! -


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #665821 - 06/06/02 11:57 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Sometimes though you HAVE to ask questions or post pics.
When I was a newbie (not that I'm not still one..) I had to post a pic of something that I wasn't sure if it was contam or mycelia and no FAQ could have answered that. But I did post it to the contam forum instead of the cult forum. I'm still not positive what it was.. maybe the mycelia took over (I froze the thing to try and kill any mold and it seemed to get whiter) or maybe it was just mycelia all along.. cobweb mold is sometimes a pain in the ass to recognize. And if we have a newbie forum then noone will answer newbies questions, which will defeat the very goal of this site which is to spread accurate information and end misinformation.. newbies answering newbies would be a mess.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: ]
    #665844 - 06/06/02 12:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hypothetical situation..... Someone kicks you in the balls and asks you if it hurts..... stupid question?

Someone rapes your sister, are you mad? Stupid question?

You crawl out of the desert completely dehydrated, you're asked if your thirsty..... stupid question?

Your best friend, whom you been smokin pot with for years, gets some pot after a 6 month dry spell, sparks one and asks if you want some.... stupid question?

PGF, do you think Bush is a good president? Stupid question.

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #665927 - 06/06/02 12:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

A splash screen untill the 10th post would be a good thing IMO.



yes i agree, in fact you admins could just add some kind of message in RED remembering to the new user to search in the faq before posting, in the same page that appears when you start a new thread, no need for a splash screen...


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    #668244 - 06/08/02 04:25 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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    #669195 - 06/08/02 07:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

for wearing that flag upside down!


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    #669202 - 06/08/02 08:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

for being a vendor bitch

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    #669212 - 06/08/02 08:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

awwwwww you do care!



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    #669256 - 06/08/02 09:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

not really...

why do you ask?


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #669925 - 06/09/02 01:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

PGP, to get an idea what it could look like, or how this splash screen looks at overgrow right now:




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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #670108 - 06/09/02 04:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty much what I had in mind. If this is tried and the problem still exists then at least you'll know an effort was made.

Change the 3 posts to 10 for cultivation and to 20 for advanced.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #670169 - 06/09/02 04:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I remember being unexperianced and asking dumb questions.... I realize that it happens and some people just need to double check shit or whatever... However some people do post amazingly stupid shit. Like what is vermiculite. That pisses me off too. perhaps a splash screen would help....

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #670209 - 06/09/02 05:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Anno, go for it.
While you are at it...why not make it impossible for newbies to post for 48 hours......whenever they try to post, have a big pop-up pop-up and tell them they need to review the FAQ before posting......

I give up....the dumb shit usually bleeds through the reason.......

I hust hope you are never "in charge"....you don't seem to have a grasp on who the shroomery is for......HINT: it's not really for advanced growers and it's not for advanced grower who get tired of helping newbies.....


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #670721 - 06/09/02 10:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>you don't seem to have a grasp on who the shroomery is for.

Tell me. No, let me guess. You think the Shroomery is for the people that post in the OTD forum?
Am I right? Off course I am right!
But you are wrong.
You are lucky that I?m not in charge, since If I was, I would discontinue the OTD forum and go back to what this site really is, information about mushrooms and mushroom culture. Not posting pictures of dead people and wasting bandwidth....


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    #670778 - 06/09/02 11:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #670913 - 06/10/02 04:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

no, it's about teaching newbies to grow......

This site has functioned fine without idiotic pop-ups discouraging newbie's questions......if you do not like newbie questions, stay away from the mush cult forum...simple....someone else will help them

"You are lucky that I?m not in charge, since If I was, I would discontinue the OTD forum"

and that is why you will never be in charge.....too immature, hot head, whatever...

see, when you would do things like get rid of OTD just because you do not like it.....you are not fit to be an admin. Believe it or not a lot of people here enjoy OTD.

I think you should step down as admin........you've shown yourself to be an ineffective and selfish admin.....



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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #670941 - 06/10/02 04:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>no, it's about teaching newbies to grow......

Aha! Now we have it!
Are you teaching newbies to grow? Are you?
Immature joker...
Go back to your OTD hole....


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    #670973 - 06/10/02 05:24 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah whatever....didn't think you had anything intelligent to say....too immature.....

i stuck around MC after I learned to grow and I answered the newbie's questions.....and then I moved on, something you can't seem to do....and being that you can not move on now that you no longer wish to help newbies...you seek to impose ridiculous roadblocks to keep newbs from posting......
I'm sure you'll respond with all the wisdom of a "Go back to your OTD hole.... " or the likes.

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #671103 - 06/10/02 06:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>now that you no longer wish to help newbies

Who sais I don?t want to help them? Check out how many times I posted in the Mushroom Cultivation in the last week.
I want to help them becoming self supporting(in terms of knowledge) growers, not coming back to the forum to ask a question for each and every small problem, but to learn how to use the available ressources.(all of them, also the forums). The forums are here to be used, but in a proper manner.

One can learn much more by UNDERSTANDING a thing than by questioning every detail and never get the whole picture.
And this UNDERSTANDING won?t come if you don?t think for yourself but relly on the help of others to help you.
Help to SELF HELP is the keyword here. And this includes pointing the newbies to the ressources already available.

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    #671190 - 06/10/02 07:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"Gt over yourself"

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #671235 - 06/10/02 08:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well said Anno.

A splash screen is an awesome idea. I just dont see a problem with directing newbies to a screen wich will answer the next 10-20 questions that they're about to post. Almost all repeats too.

PGF, how is it discouraging to show newbies the answers to the questions they have? Are you saying that they're gonna see the splash screen with the links on it to the FAQ and PF TEK and so on and get mad and never come back? Do you believe that?

The splash screen could do nothing but help. It would help newbies by showing them the answers they need right away and it would help the ones(myself included) who answer questions in the MC forum.

How is this a bad idea? Am I missing something? Why isn't this already in place?


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    #672365 - 06/10/02 10:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

why hasn't it happened yet then?

Thor does not agree with you, yet you have a red name too....it's cause you suck and Thor is now questioning his decision to make you admin....esp., after that remark about killing OTD...selfish canadian.......just step down....you have nothing to offer as an admin...you've proven that...."I would delete OTD" yeah, ok.....

I'm sure you are a great person and help out many anewbie, but your comments in this post just show that you are not administrator material......

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    #672458 - 06/11/02 01:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You?re an idiot PGF.

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    #672715 - 06/11/02 07:33 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, I think adding Anno was one of the best things we've done. He's done so much already with compiling the FAQ and putting together the shroomery bookstore.

Just because I may not fully agree with him here, doesn't mean I respect him and his opinions.... Anno has always been one of the most helpfull people in mushroom cultivation answering peoples questions.

He is entitled to his opinions, just like you like to point out about free speech, anno has his right to think OTD is a waste of space. You fight for free speech PGF, but when someone says something you don't like, why do you attack them for even speaking their mind?

Back to the topic, my only problem with this is that for those people who visit mush cult and aren't asking dumb questions; I think its unfair to them to force a pop up screen everytime they visit the forum. If there is a way to have this only happen say to users who have 25 posts or less I think it would be alright... But to punish others because newbies ask dumb questions is like punishing your kid because yesterday it rained Newbies are a force of nature, will always exist, will always have dumb questions, and we should not be finding ways to punish them for their interest in this hobby.

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    #672793 - 06/11/02 08:43 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

Just because I may not fully agree with him here, doesn't mean I respect him and his opinions....


that's odd.. but don't worry anno, i still respect you and your opinions

jokin' aside, anno is a valuable asset to this site, and should definitely be an administrator (thor's allright too ;?) .. an' hey let's not forget 3d whatever you guys do decide to do, it probably won't help too much, since (as has been made very clear) there will always be newbies and there will always be repetitive questions. you don't like 'em?.. don't look at 'em. i like club's idea of putting red lettering along the lines of:
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    #696403 - 06/23/02 03:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Let's keep this at the top until the splash screen is tried.


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    #698092 - 06/24/02 12:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Huh?


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    #698498 - 06/24/02 04:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Second will have to do.


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    #699398 - 06/24/02 11:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well you may have to wait a while, unless someone wants to volunteer to do this work..

We have more pressing things that are on the 'to do' list and you have to understand that this suggestion is not exactly top priority...


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    #699461 - 06/25/02 12:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I can be patient.

When I come home and there's 30+ posts in the cult forum, and most are crap, then there is a need for this.

While I'm letting you know what I think..... how about setting a fire under the ass of several of your mods. There are some very good ones, there are some who seem unable or unwilling to do what mods do. There are far too many cross posts and probably more off topic posts.


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    #699989 - 06/25/02 11:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Would you want to design the splash screen?
Something similar than the overgrow has?


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    #700282 - 06/25/02 12:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

thork, I thought you said you were not going to do this?

what made you cave? Was it peer pressure from the three people who really want it done?

If you want to keep newbies away, maybe you should just shut the site down.....


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    #700296 - 06/25/02 12:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

thor said:

Back to the topic, my only problem with this is that for those people who visit mush cult and aren't asking dumb questions; I think its unfair to them to force a pop up screen everytime they visit the forum. If there is a way to have this only happen say to users who have 25 posts or less I think it would be alright... But to punish others because newbies ask dumb questions is like punishing your kid because yesterday it rained Newbies are a force of nature, will always exist, will always have dumb questions, and we should not be finding ways to punish them for their interest in this hobby.

People have a choice, if you don't like their repetitive questions then don't answer them or open those posts... Has everyone forgotten how it is to be a newbie?


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    #700300 - 06/25/02 01:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

thor said:

I agree wholeheartedly with PGF here.

I mean yes some of you in the beginning read, used the search engine, etc..... But you forget that thats you, you knew to look before you asked. We get people from all over the world visiting this site, people who don't speak very good english, people who have logged onto the internet for the first time.

We can't expect everyone to be like us, that is a true way to be miserable in life hoping that everyone will be just like you. Thats why you find so much intolerance, its because you want only behavior that you approve of.

Give the newbies some slack, I had a friend of mine from Iceland ask questions in mush cult, he read the PF tek, and lots of other info but he still asked some basic questions because he was unsure of a few things.

Newbie questions will always exist, its impossible to change, and to bitch about it is like complaining how time keeps moving..

If it bothers you don't click on the thread, don't reply, and I think you'll be much happier.

I thought websites like this were to help others, to teach and reach new levels in this hobby.. When new people come to this hobby its intimidating, all the info people have to take in, I welcome those newbies and hope that you at least be cordial to even the simplest questions.

You can be a jerk to these people, or you can be helpfull; hell you can even ignore them..... But what do you think is better, being nice to someone you just met, or giving them attitude?





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    #700453 - 06/25/02 01:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm saying if they want this to bring us the completed work.. I'm willing to try anything, but if it doesn't work it will simply be removed.

I'm keeping an open mind, but I still think this won't be beneficial.

Sort of how creating the Thunderdome forum proved a point to all people who thought it was a good idea.


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    #700485 - 06/25/02 02:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If there is a way to have this only happen say to users who have 25 posts or less I think it would be alright...

Off course this won?t be a permament thing to show up.
It would only show up until the user has 10 posts in the Mushroom Cultivation forum.


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    #700489 - 06/25/02 02:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

well, besides all the points made earlier on why it's a bad idea....it is sure to crash my mac's browser......some shoddy java script with pop up windows.....

it's just a bad idea.....and not bad like the thunderdome....thunderdome was harmless

no one is going to protest this new pop-up window thing thor.....newbie's are newbies and there will be no one to speak up for them......you know they aren't going to make waves....

i still think you should just quit letting people register...I mean if newbie's questions are such a hassle.....get rid of the newbies and make the nazis happy.....seems they are incapable of a) ignoring questions they do not deem worthy or b) helping a newbie out by posting a link to the FAQ or c) staying out of forums where they do not wish to help people out.





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    #700580 - 06/25/02 02:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>some shoddy java script with pop up windows.....

There is no need for a java script, the whole thing would be a php script off course, since it has to chack the database for how many posts a user has....


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    #700610 - 06/25/02 02:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Nobody wants newbies to stop coming, just to use a little initiative before they post.

Maybe though, if a splash screen chases you away, then it would be worthwhile for that reason alone!


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    #700632 - 06/25/02 02:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>Maybe though, if a splash screen chases you away, then it
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    #700634 - 06/25/02 02:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And by the way, I do try to steer newbies in the right direction, both by pointing out when they post in the wrong forum and by a link in my sig.

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newbie's are newbies and there will be no one to speak up for them......you know they aren't going to make waves.....




Too funny. What makes you think anyone needs to speak up for anyone else? If they are afraid to speak up for themselves then perhaps they need to grow a spine.


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    #701336 - 06/25/02 07:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

ahhh, how long have you been here?

do you know how shit works?

most kids are out for approval, like in real life; new kids do not make waves.

come on....it's not really funny, if you are trully trying to help others. They have NO voice in this.

think about it.

I may be kinda harsh at times, but I also think I have nothing but good intentions in this....

I don't see why you three who are pushing like hell for this can not just get out of that forum and let others do what you no longer want to do (or what you are not willing to do)......

Like I said before, after I learned what I was doing, I answered newbie's stupid questions.....I even did it in real life (which is 100000X harder)

it is a natural progression....learn/help out/ leave....

you guys seem unable to leave!

MC will take care of itself.

you are not that important to mush cult god damnit!

what makes you think you are?

either help the idiots or fucking go to advance cult or another site altogether

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    #701669 - 06/25/02 08:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

look vato, you have not taken my comments the wrong way so far, so i hope you do not now......I think you are more like I was than anyone else in this thread.

That said: let's examine your post....

my point is simply that I like to help and will continue to do so, but there's a lot
of duplicity that one has to wade through to get to the novel requests.


OK. Here is a fundamental problem I have. What is a "novel request" and who is to decide what it is?

According to your post, a novel request is a post by a newb that is worthy of response. OK, got that.


Acvcording to me, all newb questions are worthy of SOME response. Be that response a legit answer to a newb question or a remark like, "read the fucking FAQ/ Cult guide". There is no newbie question that is not worth a response.

When I came here, I saw some stupid questions.....and I was smart enough to know NOT to ask those dumb questions....BUT, I realize....(and this is where you guys are fundamentally wrong), that not everyone is on mine and your same level of learning; to assume so is ellitist.

What I am getting at is that this place, these forums, this way of teaching, has existed for a LONG time before any of us, including Thork....\\

and this way of teaching WORKS.

Simply put, if you feel strongly enough about changing things because newbie posts in MC piss you off, then you need to leave MC. SIMPLE. It is not MC that has changed, it is you. As such, MC does not need to chnge, you have changed and meybe you need to leave MC.

MC does not need to change because it no longer suits you....you need to change because you no longer fit MC

think about this.....
again, I feel that I am not being overtly rude about this and that my opinion makes much sense....thor even sides with me for god's sake....



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Your right, I remove my stance. Mc should remain as it is, no modification neccesary. Maybe just a sticky post refering to the faq section.


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    #702599 - 06/26/02 09:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I know the meaning...I was using it in the context you used it which may or may not have been right......

as it stands, you seem to feel that some questions are not worthy of a response.

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    #702841 - 06/26/02 11:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Vato, ALL questions have already been asked.......the most intelligent and hard to answer questions have already been asked somewhere.

There are no new questions......as such, maybe your gay splash screen should pop up whenever ANYONE asks a question....

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    #703936 - 06/26/02 10:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

How about this:




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that would be helpful at least.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: vatoloco]
    #704652 - 06/27/02 07:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I took the Overgrow splash screen as template....


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #705224 - 06/27/02 11:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Good job Anno

How about adding some basic posting rules such as no cross posts and no off topic posts?


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #705629 - 06/27/02 02:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds good, might implement this in the future.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #706867 - 06/28/02 12:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

How about adding some basic posting rules such as no cross posts and no off topic posts?



you'd be out of work bro!

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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Roadkill]
    #706929 - 06/28/02 02:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Believe it or not..... I wouldn't mind.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: PGF]
    #707028 - 06/28/02 05:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

"Vato, ALL questions have already been asked.......the most intelligent and hard to answer questions have already been asked somewhere.

There are no new questions......as such, maybe your gay splash screen should pop up whenever ANYONE asks a question....

Here's a better version that gets your message across better"

And reasons like this is why i cant figure you out PGF, your afraid a splash screen like this is gonna ward off new users, dont you think that maybe, JUST maybe, all the throwing around of the word "nigger", the ignorant baby fights, are turning off even more users? But the later is all well and good, because after all we got "free speach".


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Anno]
    #736574 - 07/10/02 01:01 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I know this is a rather late response, but in general I don't have time to read these forums.
Here is my two-cents: (yes, is.. my two-cents, not my two cents.. like a tuppence, only American)
I agree with the splash screen for newbies (it is at worst a few seconds of time wasted and a few kb of bandwidth wasted, and at best a quick, as there is no waiting for a response, way for newbies to answer their questions).
..why I think this:
The exceptionally common questions are annoying, to me, when they are completely unresearched. Do your damn homework! If you spend a few more minutes, find out a quick answer to your question, think about it, and post a question to fill in any blanks you may have, however unlikely that may be, the general quality of your posts would be improved immensely.
Having the answer directly or nearly directly off a splash screen is handy, and, as mentioned before, could speed things up a bit for newbies. It does not say 'we do not want you', but it says 'we know what your probably going to ask at first, so here are some answers.'
I believe that more experienced members would read and assist more often in MC if the amount of purely repetitious posts were cut down.
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problems with the splash screen:
posts in other areas are counted, such as otd. Those who post there before moveing onto MC don't want to see this screen, or need to see it, untill they post there.
Those who are registered only for the chat rather than the info would find this screen useless and lose a few moments of their life to watching the page load and finding the ok/next/whatever button.
and, as I have unfortunately seen, some people will whine about it and spit venom before they take a calm appraisal of the situation.
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the advanced cult forum.. I feel bad closeing posts which do not quite (ok, often blatantly do not) belong in this forum, but where the poster has taken some time to think about their question and wants a more experienced ear to bounce his idea off of. People who take the time but can't quite find their answer (even if it is easy for people who know where it is) should not feel helpless when they post in MC. I think that this newbie splash screen could help bring some experienced users back to MC and keep the mismatched posts down in AMC.
...and, regarding AMC, a splash screen here for first time posters to this forum would be helpful.
thats how I feel, take it as you will.


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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: Thor]
    #8111614 - 03/06/08 05:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Thor said:
I agree wholeheartedly with PGF here.

 




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Re: Newbie Posting [Re: sucklesworth]
    #8114680 - 03/07/08 04:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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sucklesworth said:
Quote:

Thor said:
I agree wholeheartedly with PGF here.

 




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lol we used to agree a lot, until he went all crazy on me.

Saw this post in here and was wondering how the hell this got bumped, sucky you bitch :wink:


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