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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ *DELETED* [Re: creamcorn]
    #6331328 - 12/03/06 08:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: OHSnap]
    #6331357 - 12/03/06 08:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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creamcorn: about how hydrated do you make the miracle grow? Do you add water until it is noticeably wet looking and sticky or until its soaking?




Field capacity= water should not be dripping out of it unless you squeeze it :thumbup:

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Blutjager]
    #6331738 - 12/03/06 11:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

looks like i got something new to try :laugh:


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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: odium33]
    #6332176 - 12/04/06 06:35 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats nuts.Wayyyyyyy toooo much
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If my calculations are correct, to mix 2 quarts of miracle gro mixture and properly balance the ph, you will need 5 tbsp of hydrated lime.






maybe you could help me get it right instead of simply telling me that im wrong




It was mentioned earlier by a member, less than 1%.


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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: moho456]
    #6332192 - 12/04/06 06:49 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I can't seem to find anything here without perlite, how bad is it if there is???


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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: El_Flying_Mohawk]
    #6332207 - 12/04/06 07:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't seem to find anything here without perlite, how bad is it if there is???




the mixture does have a very small amount of perlite - see ingredients on the post of mine a few pages back with all the pictures... its not bad at all.

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: creamcorn]
    #6334324 - 12/04/06 08:44 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

This stuff works great,I'm not even growing right now and I just bought a bag just cause I saw it and the place where I usually buy it stopped carrying it for the season,I fail to understand why anyone would make their own casing mix,Hydrate it,pasteurize it,and case  :rockon:

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Blutjager]
    #6334393 - 12/04/06 09:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

How much is does a bag of MGMC cost (and for what sized bag). It seems to me that you can't get more cost effective than 50/50+. A large bale of peat moss and a huge bag of vermiculite cost barely anything at all considering how much you will get out of them. And hydrated lime lasts forever due to how little you use at a time.


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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: soulsizzle]
    #6334527 - 12/04/06 09:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

$3 for an 8 quart bag of MGMC at Home Depot

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: creamcorn]
    #6334654 - 12/04/06 10:20 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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it would be about 2.5 tablespoons per quart, in other words exactly what odium had said above... that's going by half of whats traditionally used in 50/50... and thinking about it now i might revise that and say round it down to 2TBSp/quart... aka a half tablespoon per cup.





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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: surfster]
    #6334656 - 12/04/06 10:20 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone know what effects the added fertilizer has on cubes? Mainly this is a concern of edibility. Yeah all "non-organic" plants you eat now used fertilizer and pesticides and they don't kill you(not that its good for you), but mushrooms aren't plants. I realize the casing isn't actually used as food for shrooms, but couldn't the mycellium still absorb some of these fertilizer. And what exactly do they use as a "wetting agent"? I don't buy all organic food, but this still concerns me. I'd like to use it becuase time is a factor for me. This is the label off of the bag. I pulled it from theyre website. I'm not going to link it but just google Miracle Grow Moisture control.

Any ideas?



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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Cyanic]
    #6334666 - 12/04/06 10:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Uh. Probably not good for us, but probably won't kill us either. I'm buying some later tonight.

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
    #6334740 - 12/04/06 10:51 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

there's not a damn thing in there that's going to hurt you in the slightest of ways.

take a moment, fire up wikipedia, and look up those ingredients for yourself.  you'll laugh at the idea of even worrying about it.

fertilizers aren't harmful "chemicals" at all... (well, of course they're chemicals, but not in the sense that most people have some kind of negative association with as automatically "bad for you")... and they're in extremely low concentrations that release slowly in that mix anyway.

as for a wetting agent, they don't get specific, but many things can act as a wetting agent.  a wetting agent is simply something capable of breaking the surface tension of water... wetting agents appear in many products you eat, put on your body, and have around your house every day.  there's a chance you may have even rubbed one all of your penis before  :crazy2:  there are several horticultural wetting agents, used to treat soils, some of which are even certified organic if you're into that hippy hype :wink:  it would be nice if they said specifically what they used, but i can assure you its not going to be anything toxic to worry about...

don't assume something is automatically "bad for you" because you don't know what it is - instead, take a moment to go read about what it is... i'd be more worried about the effects on your psyche of the mind alterting chemicals you're trying to cultivate :wink:

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: creamcorn]
    #6335623 - 12/05/06 08:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm by no means the hippie type, or a health freak for that matter.

Yeah alot of fertilizers aren't bad for you, but some of them are pretty shitty. Alot of my close relatives are farmers and two work for pioneer and one for round up, and having helped them with work before, i can say that some of that shit is really really nasty. after spraying crops with baby killing chemicals (cue the hippies) I'm definatly not the one to prejudge things.

But your right they wouldnt really be putting that shit in here, and I did notice most are present on only trace amounts. I am familiar with wetting agents, I was just curious as to the particular one.

I guess I'm just making mountains out of mole hills. Should have done some more research first. Just seemed to easy to be true. thanks for the info though!


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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Cyanic]
    #6335962 - 12/05/06 10:34 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Of course large amounts of certain types of highly concentrated fertilizers need to be handled with care, but that's not even close to what we're dealing with here :smile:

People use hydrogen peroxide in their grows all the time too, if they had large amounts of highly concentrated H2O2 can cause spontaneous combustion or explosions too...

Its all about keeping it in perspective :wink:

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: creamcorn]
    #6342829 - 12/06/06 11:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

So let me get this straight - the casing layer does little if anything at all for supplying nutrients? then what exactly is the point of a casing layer? and if this is true, then is it an almost absolute necessity to spawn your colonized substrate to something (coir for example) unless you are ok with subpar results?

Also, supposedly the more nitrogen the better - up to 3.7% that is, which isn't exactly a trace amount...so are we forced into potent but potentially unhealthy in the long term shrooms or weak shrooms that you're not risking your life to consume?

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: creamcorn]
    #6342889 - 12/06/06 11:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well I'm giving it a shot. Home depot had a bigass bag (32 qts) for $8 so I bought it.

This is what I just cased with it on Tuesday. 30 gallon monotub, 8 pints of WBS spawned to 3 inches of hpoo. Colonized in 6 days.


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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: fazdazzle]
    #6343033 - 12/07/06 12:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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So let me get this straight - the casing layer does little if anything at all for supplying nutrients? then what exactly is the point of a casing layer? and if this is true, then is it an almost absolute necessity to spawn your colonized substrate to something (coir for example) unless you are ok with subpar results?

Also, supposedly the more nitrogen the better - up to 3.7% that is, which isn't exactly a trace amount...so are we forced into potent but potentially unhealthy in the long term shrooms or weak shrooms that you're not risking your life to consume?




Yes,the casing layer does little in the way of supplying nutrients to your mushrooms,the purpose of the casing layer is to hold moisture close to the surface and help provide a better microclimate for pinning and growth :thumbup:

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Blutjager]
    #6343995 - 12/07/06 10:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Any thoughts on my other questions?

or is it totally kosher to case straight colonized substrate?

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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: fazdazzle]
    #6344031 - 12/07/06 10:28 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Your other questions are pretty basic principles of bulk growing so I suggest you read up on it. Its a bit of a thread-jack and heading way off topic to be discussing that here.

Substrate is a generic term that encompasses all the nutritive elements you've given your crops to colonize. So straight grains can be a substrate. Grains spawned to bulk is still a substrate, though now its made up of several ingredients. So yes, you case colonized substrate... that's the whole idea. Doesn't matter what your substrate is made out of.

I understand what you're getting at I think, you're asking if its ok to use straight grains like wbs or rye as the sole material in your substrate. You can. You get better results mixing it with a bulk material, because bulk holds a lot of moisture, whereas grains do not. Spawning to bulk also multiplies your substrate mass many times over.

As for the whole nitrogen thing, we're concerned with whats in your substrate, not your casing layer. As Blutjager just explained, the casing layer does not provide nutrition, any nutrition you want to be accessable to your crops come from the substrate.

As for the potent versus unpotent, healthy versus unhealthy, you've lost me... again do some reading and you'll learn the true way to produce potent mushrooms is by working with potent genetics, in combination with an optimal substrate - has zilch zero nada to do with your casing layer. As for health concerns, to keep it brief and put it blunt, there aren't any when casing with this material, period.

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