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cant get high enough
    #632758 - 05/16/02 07:28 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I'm new to mushrooms and need advice, I have taken them several times in the past two months and cant seem to get past a level 1. Just lase night I took 3 grams of dried cubensis and felt OK for about two hours but there was no visuals. I have had extensive experience with LSD so I know that this was not a TRIP. Currently I am growing some cubensis at home and was looking for advise on how much fresh cubies I should take. Is it true that fresh is more potent than dried?


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #632764 - 05/16/02 07:30 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You bring up a good point. A freind of mine took 5 grams dry several days ago and did not get past a mild stoning effect. Perhaps it was in the way it was grown. i've been looking on this site for some information reguarding this, but so far have come up with nothing.

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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #632780 - 05/16/02 07:40 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I never get the visuals from mushies like the visuals I get from LSD. I don't get the carpet breathing or woodgrain flowing, colors just seem more intense and brighter.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: joe666]
    #632825 - 05/16/02 08:08 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I dont get the mind effects either, on acid yuo think that you can figure out the meaning of the world but that is not the case with the mushrooms. Am I in the minority on this


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #632869 - 05/16/02 08:41 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Alright...My friends cubies stopped growing about 2 months ago. Whenever we would dose it would be like 5-6 medium to small shrooms. Just picking them off the cakes, it's hard to determine the actually drug dosage because they're not dried. If you have access to Xanax or any kind of perscription mood enhancment drug, they more often then not inhance the trip and can take you really high on a reletively small dosage. But, for the first time on your own yield I would only eat a small to medium dose and find out the potency, etc. Hope I was at least a little help. Peace


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #633074 - 05/16/02 11:08 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I've noticed that the fresher the mushrooms are, the better quality of trip i have. The best trips i've ever had have been when i picked, weighed and then consumed the mushrooms straight away. Also, some of the more boring and uneventful trips i have had have been from old, and dried mushrooms, (even on really high doses to compensate for the degradation).
I think generally speaking, aswell, the older the mushrooms, the less visuals and more of a mind trip i have, whereas with fresh shrooms, i have the most visuals, and relatively less of confusing mind trip, ie, more clarity.

Just my experiences anyway, i think it is probably due to the change in psilocybin/psilocin ratios changing.

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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #633841 - 05/17/02 01:59 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

maybe u should just take alittle more.
maybe your mentality is diffrent (and ur also telepathic)

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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Chonger]
    #633845 - 05/17/02 02:06 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I agree, if shrooms are to old the would not do anything, eat fresh or dried but the have to be less than one year old and well preserved.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: LOBO]
    #634702 - 05/17/02 05:23 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, odd. I've done LSD before, and find mushrooms to be better. I get a strong trip off of the reccomended dosage; 1 dried gram = level 1, 2 dried grams = level 2, etcetera. I've noticed the visuals are much stronger, and it may sound funny, but much more coherent.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: anonymoushate]
    #635287 - 05/18/02 08:43 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I had the same problem, this weekend I had abot 4oz of shroomes with a mate
but there was no mental confusion very sutle hallucinations. Nothing to what i am use to. The strain that i got is EQ, i think they are weak compared to liberty caps.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: EvilGir]
    #635745 - 05/18/02 05:56 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Yes 4 ounces. I find if i drink a few viles i don't get enough visuals either. mabey we should just eat and drink our body wait in shrooms and acid that would probably bring it up to a strong level 3


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: psyko7862sex]
    #636014 - 05/19/02 03:29 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I have been doing shrooms for a long time mostly liberty caps I have found them to
give very strong visuals. But I have tried growin p.Cubes for about a year or so
but I have had no decent trip. I have just found them to be weak even at a high does such as 2oz fresh. So If I cant reach a level 4/5 trip soon then I am dumping this species for a stronger one.
So i am going to try one more time maybe I will try 8oz dont know yet

Does anyone have any idea why my shrooms are so weak ?


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: EvilGir]
    #636979 - 05/19/02 08:34 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you should stick to liberty caps.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: EvilGir]
    #637193 - 05/20/02 03:42 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Well I have only the P. Cubes to go by as I have never tried liberty caps. I would love to try them but they are not easy to get in the USA.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #637213 - 05/20/02 04:12 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

The BEST thing to do if you want to increase potency is not to eat before !
The longer you fast, the higher you'll go.
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Re: cant get high enough [Re: tomldp]
    #637310 - 05/20/02 06:20 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

i HAVE FASTED FOR AT LEAST SIX HOURS EVERY TIME I HAVE TAKEN MUSHROOMS, i ONCE MADE THE MISTAKE OF EATING ABOUT TWO HOURS IN AND IT BROUGHT ME RIGHT DOWN.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #637334 - 05/20/02 06:36 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Six hours hardly constitutes a fast. Go 48 hours and you will trip your brains out.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #637340 - 05/20/02 06:39 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe your tolerance is high to psilocibin. That would be a sad news !
How long did you wait between each trip ?


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: tomldp]
    #637386 - 05/20/02 07:17 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

At least a week between trips (if you can call them trips) it was really just a bit of highlited colors and a cold tired feeling.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #637390 - 05/20/02 07:21 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

When I only wait a week, I have to double the dose in order to have the same effects !
Your body may build a strong tolerance, and you may have to wait longer than other people between each trip.
That could be the solution.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: tomldp]
    #637395 - 05/20/02 07:25 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, hopefully in a few weeks a new flush will be ready to pick, I think I should go for 30-40 grams does that sound right?


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #637527 - 05/20/02 08:50 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

There is tolerance with shrooms (atleast for me). So if you keep trying like 2 times a week you prolly wont go anywhere. I need to wait 2 weeks to a month atleast between doses.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: baraka]
    #637674 - 05/20/02 10:16 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

The only other thing that i could thinnk of is I usualy make a tea out of them.
I just Boil them for half a hour. So could this affect potency ?


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: EvilGir]
    #637722 - 05/20/02 10:48 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Heat destroy the "magic" in shrooms ! Boiling them is definitely a bad idea !


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: anonymoushate]
    #662759 - 06/04/02 12:58 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

What about the repeatative thought process that mushrooms cause its nothing like the thoughts that acid bring into your head


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: tomldp]
    #662782 - 06/04/02 01:12 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I agree, but since I first posted this I read a post about a method of ingestion and tried it. I ground up 4 grams of cubies and mixed with OJ drank it down and was surprised to find that I started comming up in about 10 minutes. the trip ws about a level 2-3 and was real long lasting. It's the only way to fly and tastes much better than chewing them up.

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Re: cant get high enough [Re: tomldp]
    #668988 - 06/08/02 02:12 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I don't quite have to double the dose between trips within the same week but I do have to do something different like Fast or take abit more and smoke some weed.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #671908 - 06/10/02 01:59 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I think I have solved this one!


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    #671923 - 06/10/02 02:13 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Im really fucked up... no matter how many shrooms i eat, as long as its over 2 grams, I trip balls. I have a level 5 everytime now. I hullucinate for 6hours straight now all the time. I think it's cause my mind is so excited for them, they are all i think about since i've done them. I eat them whole, my friends make tea, but i say fuck that, i want the real shit. They claim that it is a little more clear and not so much in your head if it's tea, but i prefer to eat them.

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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #672919 - 06/11/02 08:31 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm.. Not High enough...

First there's the dosething. One gram of dried Cubies equals about 10grs straight off the cake, not counting bloated shrooms (waterballoons) and shrooms grown under low humidity (a little dried out; more potent) and Mutants & Aborts (usually more potent if petite). The cubies I'm going to be blabbing about are dry.

1gr of dried cubies equals about 1.5-15mg Psilocybin: a tenfold ratio. Should you aim for the strenght of a reasonable Microdot or the average Psilocybin content of a Dutch "smartshop" portion of Shrooms then that's
75mcg LSD = 15mg Psilocybin equiv.
which happens to be in the midst of Shulgin's TIHKAL Psilocybin recommended range. Note that the dried dose needed for that is 1-10gr of cubies! Dried compost grown Cubies average ~6mg/gr, rice/grain grown ones ~12mg/gr Psilocybin. And I'm not even going into decay! A couple of months out of the -20'C/5'F freezer & your cubies are of very modest strenght, fresh Shrooms go off in a week at RT.
But that's not the case.

Individual sensitivity isn't likely either. People sensitive to LSD tend to be sensitive to Psilocybin & the other way around. But if you need BIG amounts of LSD you'll likely need alot of Shrooms too. (CAREFUL!)

With this in mind I suspect there's a "right" dose of Shrooms for you, though it might be a high one.

How I ingest: I fast for a mere 3hrs. (more & hunger becomes a bother for me: I tend to use small doses, often 1gr good Rice Cubies) Then the prayers get said (ifr you just believe in yourself: pray to yourself or prepare otherwise) and I chew my dried Cubies, mixing shrooms with saliva but avoiding the tongue, then I gulp it down with DIET 7UP (good sweetener: no inhibiting sugars like in juices & basically a CO2 & Citric Acid solution in water, which aids absorption & intensifies the effects) & take my next shroom. This works best for me: I find teas disgusting & capsules take longer to come on.

I found that fresh shrooms are tastier & a bit stronger then dried ones, but prefer the latter because of easier, er, dosing & homogenizing them (pulverizing or cutting to at least 40 bits per Tripper) assures each gets what he/she bargained for. One shroom may be great for a picnick with your drug-na?ve family in the park but a smaller other one may plunge you into the Adventure of a Lifetime.

What to do if the amount you took is too weak at the 1 1/2 hourpoint & you don't have more to spare? Lie down comfortably in a dark enviroment, preferably in a sleepingbag under the Stars (UNFORGETTABLE!!!) or in a bedroom, close your eyes & SENSE. You will likely feel alot less "zonked" but taking away all visual & audible distractions, alone in the darkness & silence can be awesome, even on a dose thats too small to call a Trip. (If I feel it, I call it a Trip! I always take more, though! I hold the Mushroom sacred, no matter how small my response.)
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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Asante]
    #674802 - 06/12/02 11:27 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Is it possible that tolerance decreases with psilocybin, When I wrote this post one month ago I was complaining about not getting off the ground on 5 grams of dried mushrooms. This past Sunday 5 grams sent me into a level 5 and beyond. Could it have anything to do with the method of injestion which I have changed from chewing whole dry mushrooms to grinding and mixing with OJ?


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #675231 - 06/12/02 03:11 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

How long was it before your last trip? A month? Tolerance does dissapear after the first few weeks, so a month break probably cleared your tolerance a little. Glad you finally got off the ground.

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    #675819 - 06/12/02 09:34 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Level 5 & beyond? (shudder!)

Gee, I hope it was to your liking! Must've been aq reeel eye-opener!
High at last, High at last, thank God, you're High at last!

The citric acid in the OJ may well have amplified your response by quickening your absorption & making it more complete in less time. But the sugars may actually have SLOWED YOU DOWN! For this reason I prefer munching & flushing with DIET 7-UP, which is basically Carbonic & Citric Acids in water with a non-interfering flavoring & sweetener that actually tastes good. (Aspartame)
It gets ME higher than using OJ, but the health-conscious folks who dislike artificial sweeteners may easily swap it for a tablespoon of lemonjuice in (effervescent?) springwater. Grinding also helps alot, but the taste that brings... Eeeyukk!

I've discovered that mixing the shroom with saliva (in the mouth!) aids in absorption. But I think the major difference was in the % of Psilocybin in your Shrooms. Individual response varies from trip to trip, but such a vast difference I haven't heard of yet. I guess your last batch was way more potent.

Did you drop off a Tripreport? I'm curious! And even more so: how did it compare to LSD for you? I like Shrooms over LSD 7 : 1, I've deduced from my writings & how often I took them. More beautiful & less severe than the 12h mileage I usually get from Lysergide.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Asante]
    #676363 - 06/13/02 09:05 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if this will work but I tried to put a link to my post about the experience here. It was real bad. Actually my first bad trip ever.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum5&Number=669880&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1


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    #676398 - 06/13/02 09:34 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Yikes! That must have been nasty!

Sometimes you simply can't quite discribe it, I know... It being al level 5 (and beyond) & all, considering your experience... Could you have overshot the mark? It sounds like overload to me like I had on higher doses & have seen happening to several friends. Me & my big mouth...

I myself only use (rediculously) low doses nowadays & find them as awesome as the biggies, usually more cognitive tho. It's a completely shitty way to find out, but you know now you ain't highly insensitive to mushrooms...
5grs... I think i'd be NEVER comfortable with that much Mushrooms... I know it can well be all good & a peak experience but I find the risk of taking that much too high for myself. To me it feels like "forcing things to happen", taking 5grs I mean.
Shit man, what a crappy way to spend some hours Tripping....



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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #676510 - 06/13/02 10:44 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Ripple here is my two cents:

This may sound dumb but try it. For a week before the trip practice meditating. You dont have to do it long even 5 minutes a night will work. Go into a dark room and just let your thoughts flow. If you find that you start thinking about one thing in particular just let that thought pass. (if your really good at meditaion you can trip slightly just doing it) then the night of your trip eat your shrooms wait about one hour then go into your room and meditate. You should really trip out. I think the more experience you have meditating helps becasue it helps you tune into the very sublte images and thoughts in your brain. try if you like...

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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Asante]
    #676637 - 06/13/02 12:19 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Well I'll tell you Wiccan I never want to go back to that place! Today I dosed on about one gram and had a nice enough high. Good enough for me, but I don't understand the increased sensitivity since I started taking psilocybin. Like I previously posted I am trying to figure if grounding them up and taking with OJ vs. chewing them up has made a difference? I would love to get some input on this.


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: cantankerous]
    #676651 - 06/13/02 12:29 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the input man! I'll give it a go!


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Re: cant get high enough [Re: Ripple]
    #677775 - 06/14/02 06:04 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

You've dosed up AGAIN?!

Oh man: you're an action-kind of guy! If I make a grand total of my 67 Trips & divide the years by 67 I end up with an average of 2 months between Trips.

As I said: it might be a dosething. But sometimes... People who virgin on THC don't get effects after the first toke. Perhaps this happened to you with the Mushrooms, who knows...

Combine the suggested meditative technique with your 1gram the next time: you'll be amazed how much even a low dose can offer you!

But: if I were you I'd take a holiday off shrooms for a while. It's my experience that if you dose up too soon after a Majorly Bad one, the Badness tends to pop up in your subsequent trips, even on the 1 gram I keep recommending to everybody. Besides: drug vacations are good against tolerance, too!
Alot of people think Shrooms are mild. I tend to remind them that Psilocin is just DMT made orally active & that eases things out generally...



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    #678321 - 06/14/02 11:02 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Yes you are totally right but after my first bad trip it was kind of like "I got ot get back on the horse right away" Your comment about some of the bad elements creeping in is also correct. As I was comming up I started to think I had made a bad error in judgement, (one of the reasons I dosed is I went to the US open Golf thing and figured there would be lots of stuff to laugh at there in the open country). However on the low dose I was able to fightt off the initial bad feelings and enjoy the day! I will wait a bit before I dose again!

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    #679431 - 06/14/02 09:07 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Ghihihi! "Getting on the horse/behind the wheel right away"

Yup: did that too, a week after a bad one. The result was shitty & I took a 6 month sabbatical off shrooms. You KNOW you have to let the bits sink in after you stirred stuff up, especially on 5 grams, & I've decided it ain't so smart to stir stuff up again when it hasn''t settled yet. I also strongly disrecommend going in public whilst under the Influence.

Sometimes even a single gram may hit you like a ton of bricks & falling apart emotionally among strangers who wonder WTF is going on only adds to the anxiety. Besides: the Divine likes seclusion & Nature. Take a few friends & a picnickbasket to a forest or the like and do your gram there. You'll be surprised what you'll find and I personally think a group in sleepingbags under the stars in Nature is one of THE best & most awesome.


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    #680212 - 06/15/02 11:54 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, it was not one of my smartest moves no doubt about it, but I'm glad it worked out ok most likely because of the low dose.


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