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I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom
    #6324044 - 12/01/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

such affairs :^)










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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6324048 - 12/01/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

tell us more, is that a neglected LC or was there more thought put into it?!
either way it's really cool!


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: TheWay]
    #6324069 - 12/01/06 11:23 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

WTF?

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: TheWay]
    #6324078 - 12/01/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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tell us more, is that a neglected LC or was there more thought put into it?!
either way it's really cool!




Yes,do tell,I cant make any sense out of that :frown:

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Blutjager]
    #6324154 - 12/01/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It looks like liquid culture that was initiated with grain?? Those chunks at the bottom look like popcorn/rye or something. WEIRD LOL

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Blutjager]
    #6324157 - 12/01/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

wtf? is that corn in there


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: royer]
    #6324245 - 12/01/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)


I am very glad that you liked my photos

in the jar there were only 10 grains of rye and water
in my experiment mushrooms grow not from a grain, they grow, directly, from mycelium...

The description of my experiment:
-I have shaken out from the jar which was colonized rye, but have left 10 grains covered by mycelium
-then has poured a little cold water from under the crane (I did not make any sterilization....it is not necessary!)
-close the jar
-the jar with the received structure was on a book shelf at temperature near 24'C
-after occurrence of the first mushroom I started to air the jar once a day
-in 2 weeks I have received fruits which you can see in photos

all is simple...but result is magic


p\s\if who will want better to consider mycelium from which mushrooms grow I can lay out a better photo


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6324258 - 12/01/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

holy crap.. I likes


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Grogan]
    #6324291 - 12/01/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nice might be on to something but damn looks nasty.

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: joker_66599]
    #6324454 - 12/01/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

wow very interesting. I may try this with a couple changes!

How about hpoo water or malt/dextrose instead of plain water?


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Jorsher]
    #6324548 - 12/01/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

looks to me like agar buddy
but the myc growth looks a little different than that from agar
if its water than why is it so dark?


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: myCo_psyCo]
    #6324644 - 12/01/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I wasn't aware mushrooms, by definition, could be grown hydroponically... Can we get an opinion on this by agar or RR or somebody?


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #6324672 - 12/01/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

im tellin you that really dosnt look like just straight water


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: myCo_psyCo]
    #6324697 - 12/01/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hydroponics is water (hydro) working (ponics).Nice try


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: myCo_psyCo]
    #6324721 - 12/01/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

My experiment well specifies two points:
1 - sterility not the main thing(believe me... I knew that I made when poured usual not sterile water, it is not a unique case when I have neglected sterility.... I work by a technique which rejects sterile processing and thus I have not bad results)
2 - fructification on liquid environments probably

Jorsher
space for experiments very big, i think.... I has made the most simple the way that to define the tendency...I liked result, and I hope that it will give even a small push to similar experiments...I wish you to receive 100 mushrooms!

myCo_psyCo
I can give the word of honour, that I didn't add anything except for water and several grains of rye. Quality of photos has a little suffered at compression. The most correct color of water in the first photo.
also it is necessary to take into account that fact, that water has got color of a grain..... In my opinion it is logical result after two weeks

p\s\certainly I have a pair of interesting ideas about that how I can to improve this method :^)


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Brainiac]
    #6324733 - 12/01/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty cool. Sometimes they form above the level of the water on the glass too. Unfortunately, they never get to normal size and weight.
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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6324757 - 12/01/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

RogerRabbit I agree that they are small..... but I have ideas which it is possible to test
it's necessary to take into account that primary in a solution were few nutrients.

it is only experiment


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6324773 - 12/01/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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My experiment well specifies two points:
1 - sterility not the main thing(believe me... I knew that I made when poured usual not sterile water, it is not a unique case when I have neglected sterility.... I work by a technique which rejects sterile processing and thus I have not bad results)
2 - fructification on liquid environments probably

Jorsher
space for experiments very big, i think.... I has made the most simple the way that to define the tendency...I liked result, and I hope that it will give even a small push to similar experiments...I wish you to receive 100 mushrooms!

myCo_psyCo
I can give the word of honour, that I didn't add anything except for water and several grains of rye. Quality of photos has a little suffered at compression. The most correct color of water in the first photo.
also it is necessary to take into account that fact, that water has got color of a grain..... In my opinion it is logical result after two weeks

p\s\certainly I have a pair of interesting ideas about that how I can to improve this method :^)




well hey thats good enough for me man, if you put your word on it
+5 for a great experement gone right then :cool:


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: MistaUNGA] * 1
    #6324783 - 12/01/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I wasn't aware mushrooms, by definition, could be grown hydroponically... Can we get an opinion on this by agar or RR or somebody?




You can get a few tiny mushrooms to grow on a liquid culture solution.
(On the mycelium mat that develops, if not agitated)


But, it is not practical.
(if you are looking to harvest enough to trip on).


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Brainiac]
    #6324835 - 12/01/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The reason I said this was because of a post I read by Roadkill:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post6002603

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this is about as close to hydroponic shrooms your gonna get...




basically there is no such thing as hydroponic shrooms.


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Hydroponic mushrooms are very possible. The first thing one must do when thinking about them is to forget about hydroponic marijuana. For some reason, some peeps on this board have closed their mind to the possibility, saying hydro is for plants and mushrooms are not plants, thus impossible.

People are too quick to say something they've never tried is impossible.

Just think outside the box.

"Hydroponic: Growing plants without soil by providing nutrients in a solution instead." - Google

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Now I'm not confused on that. Thanks for clearing that up for me!


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: agar]
    #6324858 - 12/01/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that it is not practical..... but as it is beautiful



it's for my soul..... for big trips I have a big boxs :^)



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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6329766 - 12/03/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I want to continue discussion of my experiment because mine hydroponic crop is has turned out not worse than a crop from a casing for which was used the basic part of a grain from this jar.

-two days ago


-today








I use for comparison dry mushrooms from a casing from same mycelium because already I have not crude from this crop... But in my justification should speak that fact, that when mushrooms dry up, their length changes insignificantly





p\s\I can draw a conclusion that hydroponic mushroom it very really.... I can't name this mushroom an infantile crumb. this mushroom simply the giant and also can grow one more or two days... The veil only only began to be torn, and I suspect that it happened because of my intervention  :smile:


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6330117 - 12/03/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you've really taken care. that's a fantastic success!

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: jasonmj]
    #6330838 - 12/03/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

many thanks for participation

I have found article in which it would be desirable to make changes :smile: certainly if it's possible?

http://www.shroomery.org/8772/What-are-hydroponic-mushrooms
there it is written that: "Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms are traditionally cultivated using compost or brown rice flour "cakes" - not a liquid solution by itself. Thus they are not at all grown hydroponically."


I am confident that it's possible to put more serious experiences in the future.... this experiment - only the beginning for me...


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6330919 - 12/03/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

See if you can duplicate the project. The curled up, twisted stems are from a high Carbon Dioxide concentration. Try to give the next batch more air.
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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6331980 - 12/04/06 01:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I understand that once attempt it is possible to regard as casual result.... But I hope that will turn out still.

thanks for advice, I shall necessarily try to allow more air next time
on the curvature of stems is influenced still with that fact, that under them there is no steady basis...... the first mushroom has ceased to grow because I was afraid to raise his head above a surface of mycelium

p\s\also I very much hope that somebody will try to receive result together with me!






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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6333273 - 12/04/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: shirley knott]
    #6333709 - 12/04/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

very glad to see you shirley... and glad that you liked my mushroom :smile:

on these optimistic photos I finish this experiment...tomorrow I shall clone this mushroom




p\s\I shall try to repeat shortly...


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6334219 - 12/04/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

really cool


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    #6334227 - 12/04/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: VampireSlayer]
    #6335894 - 12/05/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Very very awsome, I see a whole new tek brewing...


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Grogan]
    #6336820 - 12/05/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

deeptraveller, countryman, it looks neat :smile:
I also like those "Housewife' Dream" mayonnaise-jars  :hehehe:


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    #6337135 - 12/05/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hi Grib_iz_Pitera :^)



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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6337143 - 12/05/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It's not probable, but experiment has continued itself not asking my sanction :smile:

at the moment of cloning I have noticed violet a stain on mycelium and...... it's miracle it is disputes. I have made a spores print. The photo will be tomorrow.... I didn't expect and consequently was not prepared. I have brought up this mushroom from a grain of rye which have made mushrooms without spores(you could see my topic about it at a forum), therefore I didn't think that I shall receive them in this case


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6337294 - 12/05/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Truly amazing. Curious about the total dry weight of mushies from that jar of yours.


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: albino_shroom]
    #6337639 - 12/05/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

This is a cool looking experiment but it doesn't seem very practical to me,good job for doing something different though :rockon:

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Blutjager]
    #6339973 - 12/06/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Your photos remind me the substance called "tea mushroom" some people have in 3-litre jars. It looks like a thick (2-3 cm)layer of tight mycelium floating on the liquid surface and produces some sort of kvass-like drink from cold tea brew and sugar.


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Grib_iz_Pitera]
    #6340006 - 12/06/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's quite overgrown version : 


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6340458 - 12/06/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

See there. All it took was for someone to do it and take pics. As my experiments have all failed due to contaminations, I haven't been able to produce said pics. Big thank you to deeptraveller for showing us how its done. Now we can get over our prejudice as a mushroom growing community and actually try something new.

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: shymanta]
    #6340905 - 12/06/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, I'm suprised at the interest in this. I've had it happen many times on old undisturbed solutions. I once even used a loop of filter paper in the solution to provide an anchoring point for fruits. The main problem I had was of the mushrooms sinking as they grew.


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Workman]
    #6340921 - 12/06/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, I've had those too. I don't think we can consider it hydroponic though because the fungi had the grains to feed on.

Grib's picture above looks like Kambucha, quite popular in Russia. However, it isn't a mushroom, but rather yeast and bacteria.
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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6341050 - 12/06/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree it cann't to be named - hydroponic

hydroponic or the hydroculture is a method of cultivation of plants without ground - This definition

in our case we speak not about a plant (we speak about mushrooms... which have no final classification) and not speak about  ground (in our case it's necessary to replace with a word - substratum)....in my case the substratum - is absent

everyone can see in my photos that the grain is at the bottom of the jar(the grain very heavy and consequently does not float...it served for allocation of nutrients in a solution...it carried out a role of fertilizer because it consist of microelements), and the mushroom grows directly from mycelium. We shall lead  analogy to a plant and we shall name: [mycelium - "root system" of the future "plant" - a mushroom])

the human can simplify instead of complicate.... therefore I have applied a word which clear for all.

I could name it by other word....and it would solve all disagreements. :smile:

The mushroom grows from water in which microelements are dissolved, isn't it?


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Grib_iz_Pitera]
    #6341057 - 12/06/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: odium33]
    #6341084 - 12/06/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the comment shymanta... I hope you will try to bring up the 'mushroom on a solution'

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6343985 - 12/07/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

sorry about bumping an old thread. but i just had a crazy idea.

As far as i know there are several types of hydroponic growing (for ordinary plants). One where you just spray the roots with water and nutrients. And one where the roots are left in a non-nutrious substrate like perlite or leca-clay-pearls, and then water the substrate just like one would if one was using soil.

and we all know how mycelia will grow through perlite.

would it be possible to make that grow into small perlite-myc cakes, which one then let float in a nutrious solution. if the perlite does not provide enough buoyancy one could let it rest on a net or grid of some kind, just letting the bottom of the cake be in contact with the liquid.

i dont know if it would work (or even if im comprehensible). but at least it would be an expreiment. ill try to whip up a picture of what i mean.



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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Mindzpore]
    #6344124 - 12/07/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The thing that everybody continues to overlook here is the "survival trigger"... that is, mushroom fruiting begins only when a given substrate is fully colonized.

Its the mycelium's goal to spread out as much as possible, colonizing as much "food" as possible... while there's still uncontaminated digestible material within reach, it will continue to grow without shifting towards fruiting.  When there's no more edible material in reach, that's a signal to begin fruiting.  The other more commonly talked about pinning triggers (light, and FAE) more or less tell the mushrooms WHERE to fruit (i.e., the surface.)

The reason there's fruits appearing in an LC jar is because the nutrients have all been assimilated by the mycelial network and there's simply none left.

So that leaves practical hydroponic growing dead in the water as far as I'm concerned.  No matter what creative way you come up with to continuously feed nutrients, its just not gonna work.  It conflicts with the basic principle of the life cycle of the mushroom.  If there's a continuous supply of nutrients, the best ideal case scenario is continuous mycelium growth without ever fruiting.

Sure, the possibility of adjusting your hydroponic ideas exist - that is, setting it up in such a way that you cut off the nutrients when you're ready to fruit.  That may work given a method is worked out.  But the simple fact is you need mycelium to grow fruits.  The more mycelium, the more fruit, plain and simple. 

If people go into this hydroponic thing thinking they can keep a small amount of mycelium going by continuously feeding it and therefore getting continuous fruits, it just shows a lack of understanding how mushrooms grow.

Not to rag on anybody, creative thinking and experimentation is the basis of all the methods we have today.  But the holy grail pipe dream of sustainable, continuously growing crops just isn't reasonable... and it would seem most that dream up these hydroponic methods are looking to do just that. 

If on the other hand you go into it with a reasonable perspective, sure, something may be pulled off that yields a flush or two perhaps, but I'd consider it a novelty, and I can guarantee it simply will not be practical to sustain... you'll need to start the life cycle over just like you do when you start a new grow... so since that's the case, lets be honest, what's the benefit?

Mushrooms are not plants.  Make that your mantra. :smile:  Even if they were plants, hydroponic growing of plants isn't designed to make plants do anything they naturally wouldn't... its just designed to provide an optimal controlled environment for them.  Considering mushrooms are decomposers (that is, they "eat" food for energy - they don't make their own from light), the best way to provide them with an optimal environment is to give them something they can decompose.

If your goal is to create something truly optimal, work with them, not against them.  Give them what they actually want, instead of trying to force methods on them that were designed for organisms in a totally different kingdom.

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    #6344485 - 12/07/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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    #6344909 - 12/07/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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substrate like perlite - very good idea... It will help to grow mushrooms exactly upwards

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interesting message

I didn't apply a method which apply to plants. I only have changed the period of illumination (it it's possible to do, but it's possible and not to do). In the rest I created usual conditions necessary for normal growth of a mushroom

I don't think, that I shall use this method for mass reception of mushrooms(I don't refuse from jars...use my gallery....basically I apply, while, other methods).

but I have thought above what like it(has found at a forum)...:^)
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    #6345742 - 12/07/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice thread, and it's good to see other people tackling innovative grow techniques. Creamcorn, I think you've hit the nail on the head, I doubt there could ever be a continuously flushing 'hydroponic mushroom' grow and the odds of it matching standard tek's yields is doubtful, especially in it's infancy. However I've been questing along these same lines recently and here's my story so far...

One day a couple of months ago while I was reading up on old threads here I bumped into this thread on the same topic. There Rogerrabbit said "Don't confuse dunking with hydroponics. Mushrooms don't grow hydroponically. To prove that, I will send a free microscope to the first person who can grow a ten gram or larger fruit on a rockwell cube with nothing but liquid solution, and show the rest of us how to duplicate the experiment.
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Hazzah I thought. To hell with getting a scope or not, it would be a feat to come up with a reproducable tek for liquid mushroom cultivation. Simply getting a successful, repoducable small yield would tickle me pink. Reading up on hydroponics in general was a good first step, but I think I came away with something that may work.

My first idea was the get a large enough volume of LC to use as a base for the mycelium, pick a good fruiting strain (common oyster) and put an inorganic base in the LC as a support for the mycelium and fruits, exactly how hydroponics uses rockwool, etc. I found some nice 10.5 cup polyproplyene containers that taper slightly outward at my local dollar tree. For a visual, here's a pic with some of oysters growing out of one a couple of months ago


I also considered using perlite in the beginning, but there were a few problems. That crap settles out of solution over time, jamming up my stir bar, and the stuff shuffled around enough that I thought it might hurt the mycelium, so I decided to stick with rockwool instead. A layer about one inch thick in the middle of the water line should give the mycelium a base to support the weight of fruits. The container can hold 1.5 liters of LC which I hoped would be enough nutrients for a significant yield. The trick may come from the LC recipe (as it is in hydroponics), I was going to do dextrose/light malt extract with gypsum, but Ca might not be the only mineral that needs to be added. GGMM states that shiitake have to have Ca and light to pin/fruit, but I haven't nailed down any others essentials at this point. I've considered dropping a multivitamin into it before PCing, heh, but will wait on that one.

So, I've just been perfecting my media mix, PCing my containers to see how much time it would take to make them sterile, and trying to get a good stock of oyster LC going. One other note, I picked oyster because it's a fruiting beast and I know it can take some pH fluctuations (rockwool is basic) so I was hoping it could handle that.

Whew, I was hoping to just drop a well photoed tek in advanced mycology sometime in 2007 but I thought this might help someone else that is into experimenting along these lines. Thanks for further inspiring me Deeptraveler!

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: creamcorn]
    #6347012 - 12/08/06 04:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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mushroom fruiting begins only when a given substrate is fully colonized.




By that logic, no wild mushrooms would fruit until they had consumed the entire forest. And since I am reasonably certain that they do sometimes fruit in the wild, it must be wrong. Also by that logic, a wild mushroom would only be able to fruit one season in one place (as all nutrients are consumed there would be none left to sustain survival next season). And once again, I am fairly certain that i have picked mushrooms in the exact same spot several years in a row.

So there must be other factors involved. One factor could reasonably be temperature, I think it would be fair to assume that the organism would try to spawn before winter (provided it has been able to gather enough nutes during the year).

Also (in the above crazy idea) its obvious that the mycelia will colonize the perlite (looking for nutes). But once it has, it can't continue its growth into the lc (as there are no anchorpoints).

Now, I do agree with you that it will be difficult to actually make it work (but do not consider it impossible). The real issue would of course be efficiency of work/cost/yield. Its a pretty funky experiment, though.

And yes: "work with them, not against". I agree fully, the question is only what would be "with", and that we can only find out by experimenting.

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: phalcon005]
    #6347017 - 12/08/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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also considered using perlite in the beginning, but there were a few problems. That crap settles out of solution over time, jamming up my stir bar, and the stuff shuffled around enough that I thought it might hurt the mycelium




What about using a container like the one in my (crappy) illustration (with a tube entering the side of the growtank, maybe even a flowtap also)? That way one would be able to remove/exchange the lc if it looks strange. From my own observations wild mushrooms do like damp areas, but less so if it is a puddle of completely stagnant and gunky soup.


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Mindzpore]
    #6347445 - 12/08/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I briefly considered adding a system to change the liquid or adding the liquid to a sterile container (as opposed to just PCing the whole thing once), but it screams contamination to me. If you have a contaminated container putting clean liquid into it won't help, the contaminants will just bloom even more. I was planning on just treating my little tubs like large quart jars of LC that happen to have some rockwool in them. I could see the value of having some form of internal stirring though, especially in the early stages of growth. I was going for simple so I've been toying with a stir bar with a stir plate, but I'm sure other things would work and probably better than simple stirring. I once considered trying to get an air stone and it's tubing set up so I could PC the whole apparatus and then have a hepa filtered air pump to plug into it, but that is a hell of a lot more work that a stir bar.

As it has been stated already a couple of times, succeeding is one thing and getting good yields efficiently quite another. I tend to try the simple methods until I've failed enough to consider going one step further. I have little doubt there could be multiple ways to approach this, that just happens to be the one that fits my personality I suppose.

Anyone else tinkering on this, or have comments on what I suggested earlier? Pointing out an obvious flaw could save myself and maybe others some time.

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: Mindzpore]
    #6347621 - 12/08/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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By that logic, no wild mushrooms would fruit until they had consumed the entire forest.



He was correct. You can't apply wild mushroom logic to cultivated mushroom logic unless you also want to grow with no sterilization, etc. Full colonization is one of the major pinning triggers for cultivated mushrooms. It's also a major pinning trigger for wild mushrooms as well. Full colonization occurs when the mycelium runs up against a natural barrier such as the edge of the log, OR another mushroom or mold species which has consolidated it's niche.
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    #6347622 - 12/08/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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you have a good jar with mushrooms

I read that mycelium is raising in the big tanks at constant airing. I think what not free from a dirty air, can't damage mycelium.

I fill, water from under the water crane and I blow air in which by eyes I see a dust...it's normal


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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6347660 - 12/08/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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However, it isn't a mushroom, but rather yeast and bacteria.
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Yeast are fungi however.

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The main problem I had was of the mushrooms sinking as they grew.




I can't remember where I read that, somebody mentioned they had a fruit body fully grown under the liquid surface. Can that be true in your opinion?

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Re: I have cultivated hydroponic mushroom [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6348590 - 12/08/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

idea for you

would try myself but don't have the time.

make one just like you did but more water like fill the 1/2 or pint jar up with the mcy floating at the top. have a lightshine from the bottom of the jar maybe tape some of the top of the jar up. see if you can get it to pin/grow "upside down" into the water.

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ps just a thought always wantd to grow a plant upside down think i might try the playing this i have bulbs i need to plant. so be easy on my if you think my idea is screwy.


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    #6350029 - 12/09/06 03:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

idea - cool...... it's necessary to sate water with air strongly. I am not confident in a positive outcome of such experiment, but will try interestingly


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    #6350055 - 12/09/06 03:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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He was correct. .... Full colonization is one of the major pinning triggers for cultivated mushrooms. It's also a major pinning trigger for wild mushrooms as well.




yes, I agree it is a major trigger, I was merely trying to point out that its not the only one.

Anyways, although its most likely not a viable method of growing, its a funny and interesting idea, and one that (if someone can get it to work) might teach us more about how these little buggers work.

And yet, I know better than to get into an argument I can't win over an idea that I haven't tried and that I conceived while stoned out of my mind.

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    #6351673 - 12/09/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

maybe you can get an air stone with a little pump to pump air in the water not to big og one don't wanna thrash around the myc.

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    #6352223 - 12/09/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting stuff! RR once promised a free microscope to anyone who could grow mushrooms hydroponicaly, so maybe you can remove those rye grains, repeat it a few times, and get a free scope!


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    #6353997 - 12/10/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

glad to see you fastfred

It very pity that I can go and buy some hydro fertilizer for mine hydroponic shrooms. I think that broth of a grain is the best with what I can work. The grain carried out only a role of unnecessary dung after has given the own mycelium and microcells to water. I could take out it easily by my hand, but not think it's necessary. It's my tec.

a free scope...it sounds is very tempting :smile:, but I'll not be against if somebody will overtake me in this business. I am very pleased already that I has made it.

I haven't weighed a small mushroom (I can't find him after drying... probably I have swallowed him casually :smile:). But I can tell exact dry weight of the greater mushroom... It 200mg=0.2g (that can correspond to 2 grammes of crude weight)




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