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Dihnekis
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Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+
#6320725 - 11/30/06 08:33 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The recent thread about everyone's favorite casing layer got me wondering about this miracle grow moisture control stuff for use as a casing layer. I started doing a little research, and it seems that some people swear by it (creamcorn in particular).
My current grow is a large monotub with WBS spawned to hpoo, and sometime next week I'm going to be casing it. As of now I already have spahgnum peat moss and crushed oyster shell flower, but I haven't purchased any verm or lime yet.
For those who have tried both the miracle grow moisture control and the 50/50+, what do you recommend? I am liking the ease of use on the MC, but if the results will be better with the 50/50+ I'm not afraid of a little extra work (after pasteurizing horse shit on my stove top i don't think anything could be worse).
So what do you think, case my monotub with miracle grow MC or 50/50+?
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6320810 - 11/30/06 09:15 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always thought that the success of the 50/50 was that 50% of it was vermiculite. Most likely that miracle grow is not 50% vermiculite and hopefully has no perlite in it. While it should be ph balanced which is a plus. I think that it would be better to add verm to it to make it 50/50. But I'm sure it works fine without adding verm to it.
I vote 50/50+ but will check out the miracle grow today. It probably cheaper to use.
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Dihnekis
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Meth]
#6320835 - 11/30/06 09:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've read some people add 5 or 10% verm to the miracle grow.
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creamcorn
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6320897 - 11/30/06 09:38 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well you already mentioned me so I don't know how much this counts.... but for what its worth, I have used both, and even if we took ease of prep/cost/ease of finding materials, and JUST look at performance, I still say MG MC is the clear winner.
Add back in the fact that it IS easy and inexpensive to find in stores, no ingredients to mix (with the exception of a pH buffer, which is a good idea, but not an absolute requirement), etc etc there's just no contest. 50/50+ is obsolete IMO.
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: creamcorn]
#6321171 - 11/30/06 11:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
creamcorn said: There's just no contest. 50/50+ is obsolete IMO.
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Dihnekis
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: creamcorn]
#6321231 - 11/30/06 11:44 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
creamcorn said: Well you already mentioned me so I don't know how much this counts.... but for what its worth, I have used both, and even if we took ease of prep/cost/ease of finding materials, and JUST look at performance, I still say MG MC is the clear winner.
Add back in the fact that it IS easy and inexpensive to find in stores, no ingredients to mix (with the exception of a pH buffer, which is a good idea, but not an absolute requirement), etc etc there's just no contest. 50/50+ is obsolete IMO.
Well you have convinced me. I've read through your old posts so I know which miracle grow to buy, but I'm still a little unclear on a good pH buffer and how much to use. I have crushed oyster shell flower, would that be good and in what amount? Also, I've got no way to test the ph so should I even bother?
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6321242 - 11/30/06 11:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmm...yeah I saw that at the store and thought maybe it'd be good, but didn't know if anyone tried it before. Right now I have a 50/50 mix of jiffy mix peat moss and vermiculite, with a handful of oyster shell in it.
Like Dihnekis asked, how much oyster shell in the maracle grow? Or can I just throw in a handful?
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Blutjager
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Jorsher]
#6321302 - 11/30/06 12:08 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dammit,they just stooped carrying it because its "Seasonal" at the walmart by me....Let the search began
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Dihnekis
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Blutjager]
#6321341 - 11/30/06 12:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well fuck, I sure hope they didn't do that here.
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6321380 - 11/30/06 12:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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my local walmart still has a pallet where they have all the christmas stuff, though i did get a funny look from the cashier when i bought it.
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: DrB]
#6321406 - 11/30/06 12:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Walmart around me is out of it now too, but Lowe's still had a large pallet full. Make sure to check out Lowe's or Home Depot for it.
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Blutjager
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: stuff3232]
#6321483 - 11/30/06 01:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Home depot it is
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Blutjager]
#6321512 - 11/30/06 01:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I gotta 10% off coupon for Home Depot. It expires at the end of the year, and I'd have to go two towns over to find one. The Lowe's here is out of verm, but all they had was fine ass crap. I should go there and stock up on some shit soon,
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: MajorDick]
#6321651 - 11/30/06 02:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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creamcorn also convinced me. I have been using generic "Premium" potting soil with great results. Honestly, I can't believe I was mixing my own casing material once. You would have to be a doped up stoner to... wait a minute...
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Dihnekis
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Terillius]
#6321970 - 11/30/06 04:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The annoying part of this all is that I didn't case my last grow because I couldn't get all of the 50/50+ materials together in time. And to think, I could have just gotten some Miracle Grow.
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MystikMushroom
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6322071 - 11/30/06 04:55 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you guys pasturize or pressure cook your ready-made casing material?
I'm asking because I'm about to inoculate 7 2lb rye bags for some casings and I know the rye/syringes are sterile...and I know I can make the loaf pans damn near sterile w/alchohol...
Do you guys just use it "as is" right out of the bag?
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Dihnekis
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Pasteurizing is better for casings I think. I could be wrong though, and I don't know from experience.
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6322121 - 11/30/06 05:18 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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what is ratio of hydrated lime needed in miracle grow mix to achieve balanced ph?
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Dihnekis
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6322138 - 11/30/06 05:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm still wondering about the ph buffer as well. Is crushed oyster shell flour acceptable, and in what amount?
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Re: Miracle Grow MC vs 50/50+ [Re: Dihnekis]
#6322317 - 11/30/06 06:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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goal of pasturizing or sterileization is to kill everything that could hinder the efforts of the myc.. right?? How is one better than the other
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