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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6400139 - 12/23/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

If it helps anyone at all. These are some pictures of what i believe are P.Cyanofibrillosa. I found them last year just above San Francisco near my usual Cyanescens hunting grounds. Hope it helps.

-definite pellicle
-stiration 3/4 to center
-purple brown spore prints
-definite blueing around cap edges and stem
-carmel colored cap drying from inside out
-large caps 5-6cm
-found in tall grass but in a chipped area near baby fir trees



I didn't eat them cuz I wasn't sure. Almost positive, however i will do my tests again if my cultivation efforts succeed. The best way to be positive.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: sui]
    #6400413 - 12/23/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I have been told most cold weather wood loving carmel capped psilocybes have a pellicle. These ones did, all my cyanescens do. I would imagine azurescens to have one. PS your pics don't look so different.

The reason for the label, is i collect pics i have taken and label them for a personal identified database. The reason i felt confident is because my mushroom mentor didn't have any other possible idea of what could be closer. "Staining Blue, Same color and texture as Cyanescens, found in the same area, same time of year" As a second source i took the pics to a local mushroom festival and as well as the prints, and the so called "experts" at the identification table reassured me of my suggested identification as cyanofibrillosa.

Until yesterday i have never heard of friscosa... So i could be wrong i suppose on my identification.

On another note, i don't trust my identifications enough to eat, until they are found in the same spots multiple times a year for repeated years and i get to do my tests on them several flushes, or unless i have been reassured by trustworthy associates who have been picking from there own spots for years. I am very very cautious and i want multiple reassuring sources before i will eat.



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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6400576 - 12/23/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I plan a trip to SF real soon, and i will take some good photos for everyone real soon. Here are some more pics of cyanescens i took, i don't know what else they could be, eating just a small amount gets me going good. I was taught and shown that a pellicle is a good identification for cyans, as well as the fibbrillosas.

-PS i have succesfully sperated the pellicle from several of the mushrooms shown in my cyanfibrillosa pic i posted, as well as cyanescens. It is very think but very present.





So far my best day!!!!! All were consumed nobody got sick.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #6401106 - 12/24/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Wow! I cant help but to admit I'm very jealous i don't have that pic in my collection.

Just consumed some of my pick n's. Let u know how it went later.

Some of what i may be consuming.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6414692 - 12/31/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Aeweia: Paul Stamets wrote a book called "Psilocybe mushrooms of the world" Very popular book, maybe your have heard of it. It says that when wet cyanescens have a thin gelatinous sometimes separable pellicile. This goes for cyanofibrillosa as well. He goes further to call it a common trait of psilocybes.



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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: mjshroomer]
    #6415783 - 01/01/07 03:15 PM (17 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

Mjshroomer:
"But cyans do havce a slight membrane on them and many other Psilocybe species do"




Thank you Mjshroomer. You seem pretty credible with almost 13,000 posts! I say thank you because I myself on several occasions have separated the pellicle of Cyanescens and Cyanofibrillosa. I was taught it was a not so uncommon psilocybe trait.

I am not saying that all books are 100% accurate. But when my own personal experiments results are the same as a popular authors experiments results, and the same results are obtained every time the same experiment is done, then i preceive thees results to be fact............. until the evolution of mushrooms changes everything.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: OregonBluesGil]
    #6423708 - 01/04/07 01:36 AM (17 years, 28 days ago)

Auweia:
You should try harder. I have 2 witnesses in my house that have seen me peel back the pellicles of some fibs, 4 hours after picking! It wasn't written in a book because its not possible, i know 5 people who say it is. The book says "sometimes separable"


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #6429607 - 01/05/07 10:09 PM (17 years, 26 days ago)

So glad to see a pellicle picture thanks concretefeet.

Pellicles are in many textures and thicknesses. If you look at a pellicle from one type of mushroom and assume all are the same that is not factual. Not many books involve identification having to do much with the presence of a pellicle, probably because they are not always separable. This doesn't mean you shouldn't check for your own personal knowledge.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6431373 - 01/06/07 02:27 PM (17 years, 25 days ago)

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auweia said:
It's not just me, I've never heard anybody else mention it before this





If its not just you, then how come myself and others have heard it mentioned before.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6431388 - 01/06/07 02:32 PM (17 years, 25 days ago)

Why thow them away? Are you now all of a sudden using a pellicle for a key identificatoin factor? Why were you picking them before in the first place? If you don't trust yourself now why did you before? Pellicles are rarely mentioned because it is not a key identification factor in most cases.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6431399 - 01/06/07 02:35 PM (17 years, 25 days ago)

It isn't so important. However saying it doesnt exist feeds people false information that just gets spread around.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6432078 - 01/06/07 06:00 PM (17 years, 25 days ago)

That is a beautiful picture. I havent found any Libs around here in Santa Cruz. Or San Francisco. Probably looking in the wrong areas. Don't they grow around the same temps and parameters as Cyanescens. I can definately say i haven't seen a pellicle like that on a Cyan. But just like mushrooms, plants, and animals, they all come in different shapes, sizes, thicknesses, textures etc.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6432149 - 01/06/07 06:31 PM (17 years, 25 days ago)

Thanks for the link. That is a good piece of information to have.

I haven't found many Cyanofibrillosa. But the ones i have found i can say their pellicles are slightly easier to separate, when you compare them to Cyanescens. Not much easier just slightly.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #6433561 - 01/07/07 03:41 AM (17 years, 25 days ago)

Nope they got pellicles. I do the majority of my active picking in San Francisco. It is not much of a pellicle but it is present. Not always separable. This doesn't mean the pellicle is not a real pellicle though. It just means it is harder to detect. Nobody ever said it was to be a deciding key factor in identification.

The definition of a pellicle:
A viscid skin that usually peels easily.

If it doesn't peel easily does this mean it's not a real pellicle?


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6435753 - 01/07/07 06:21 PM (17 years, 24 days ago)

Caulorhiza umbonata
This is a real pellicle too.


This is not what you will see from a Cyanescens or Cyanofibrillosa. From the pictures i have seen you won't see this on Semilanceata either.

However this is still a very real, very separable pellicle. Just another example of the variations of pellicles.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: pscyanescens]
    #6435894 - 01/07/07 06:57 PM (17 years, 24 days ago)

Auweia:
If you have 'Psilocybe Mushrooms of the World' there is a section in there that list percentages by weight in a graph form of psilocin, psilocybin, and beaocystin. I don't know how accurate they are or how the study was conducted. I am not arguing that every mushroom is different in potency's. However to a certain extent it can be estimated with some accuracy. For example you wouldn't expect 2 stunzii to get you as high as 2 Azurescens.

I am almost positive i have seen the percentages in posted on other websites as well.

Cyanofibrillosa, from what i recall, is about half the potency of Cyanescens, maybe less. I would recommend eating twice the amount as a normal desired Cyanescens trip. I must mention i have never consumed Cyanfibrillosa this is just from what i have read.

I have found them before but used them to start some mycelium. Hope it takes!!



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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: tahoe]
    #6436341 - 01/07/07 08:39 PM (17 years, 24 days ago)

Whats wrong with the never ending thread if we are all learning here?


Can someone look at the mushroom in the bottom right. It doesn't seem to look like a typical cyanescens. I thought maybe a cyanofibrillosa, but there was a little wave as you can see in the pic below. But the color was the strange thing for me. It appears to be fresh, but the color is much more of a grey brown, opposed to all the others i found that day were much more red-orange-carmel-brown. You can see the babies in the picture and compare to that color too.

Here is a side view


Here is a really nice one more red-orange-carmel-brown found the same day.



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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: notapillow]
    #6437003 - 01/07/07 11:38 PM (17 years, 24 days ago)

I just learned the difference between friscosa(if it exists) and cyanofribillosa is that one loses potecy more when dried. Well i have come to that assumption should i say.

I am hopeing to learn what it is a took a picture of. It was slightly smaller then the cyanofibrillosas i found, could this be a friscosa? (once again if it exists)


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: burtonRebel]
    #6437242 - 01/08/07 03:17 AM (17 years, 24 days ago)

I am not saying i doubt you.... but where did you get this information?

facts are facts but sources are required to prove this without doccumented experiments.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
    #6439472 - 01/08/07 08:02 PM (17 years, 23 days ago)

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Cyanofibrillosa probably do exist, but people have been finding these instead



even worse, these one this photo are twice to three times the size of normal cyanescens,








First off, Thees are some 'Cynofibrillosa' i believe.... i picked them last year in SF



They were definitely bigger then most normal cyanescens but i found a cyanescens that same day with a huge 7-8cm Cap. Just as big as the biggest 'Cyanofibrillosa' i found that same day.

Size is determined by proper weather conditions, environment, and also each mushrooms genetics play a role too, i would imagine.

My friend who has been picking much longer then me said the "EL NINO" year we had back in the 1990's was the best ever. Slightly higher temps, high humidity and lots of rain into April. He claims he found, by the dozen, Cyanescens with stems almost exceeding 6" long, and Caps with an average size almost 3" in diameter. He almost didn't trust they were Cyanescens but they past all the tests. He says "Much more potent too!"


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