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Offlinezenotter
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Kratom Tree photos and comparison
    #6287237 - 11/15/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

These first three images of are of the plant I just purchased. Check out the veinage and look of the leaves compared to the plant below that I didn't buy. Do the leaves on my plant look thicker (less delicate) and look to have fewer veins?:







Now compare those to these images of a plant that was being sold for almost 3 times what I paid. The writeup with this plant pointed out that it has great veinage, but didn't go so far as to say that they were more potent or anything.









These almost don't even look like the same plant to me, although they are both supposed to be Riffat strain.

Can someone familar with these plants with a more well trained eye than I have tell me if these are both the same plant? Does veinage has anything to do with the potency or quality of the plant? Is their a diffence between the quality and/or potency of these plants shown? Did I buy a nice Riffat strain plant at a good price or should I have paid out the extra for the second plant?

Thanks.


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: zenotter]
    #6287269 - 11/15/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Those pics are too small to ascertain anything.


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #6287276 - 11/15/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, I saw that and already changed them.


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: zenotter]
    #6287389 - 11/15/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Around what price were the 2?


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: llamabox]
    #6287423 - 11/15/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Here are two close-up leaf images from www.kratomplants.net The new leaves look like my plant, the older leaves look like the other plant I didn't buy.





I dunno, maybe its the light, maybe it is just the root stock it came from. Maybe my plant is a cutting from an older tree or an older part of a tree; hmmm... that just occured to me, but thats just a wild guess.


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Edited by zenotter (11/15/06 08:47 PM)


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: zenotter]
    #6287720 - 11/15/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

your plant looks much nicer than the other and since it is branching so much your growth rate is about to explode because the more leaf surface the faster the growth. I have 5 of the red strain I grew from seed. One of them is about 3 foot tall and getting biger faster and faster.
I just pm'd you btw


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: cpw1971]
    #6287903 - 11/15/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Although I supposedly have a Rifat, the veins were never that dark red (and I'm a bit suprised to see them that dark, the ones in the Kratomplants.net pictures, I mean). Mine are pale-green most of the year like the one in the second photoset, but turned pinkish at the end of summer (and the new leaves as well, though they turned green again later). It is still disputed that vein coloration has anything to do with potency at all, isn't it?

Hmmm....

Nice tree btw, Zenotter. Put it outside when it gets warm and it'll be huge in no time.


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: Taharka]
    #6288015 - 11/15/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Taharka said:
Although I supposedly have a Rifat, the veins were never that dark It is still disputed that vein coloration has anything to do with potency at all, isn't it?

Hmmm....

Nice tree btw, Zenotter. Put it outside when it gets warm and it'll be huge in no time.




thanks.

This site wholesaleshamnicherbs.com looks like they have done there research and here is what they have to say:

"Thai and Malay users distinguish different types of kratom, two main kinds being distinguished by the color of veins in the leaf - red or green (sometimes called white). The green-veined variety is supposed to have a stronger effect. One study which surveyed Thai kratom users found that most users preferred a mixture of both, followed by red-veined alone and then white-veined alone. Growers in Australia report that both red and white veining occurs at different times in different plants which were all cloned from the same mother plant. They have not yet undertaken comparisons between the two. Researchers from collected both red and green veined samples in November 1962. Both were listed as having the same alkaloids, but the paper published by E. J. Shellard did not list concentrations, nor was there any mention of what is now believed to be the most important alkaloid, 7-hydroxymitragynine."


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: zenotter]
    #6288999 - 11/16/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Your plant does look a tad odd with all the leaves being furrowed. That's generaly what the look like when they sprout out of their pods and then flatten out.

It probably has something to do with the fact that you have such a fat, stalky cutting. It's definitely kratom thogh.

Nice buy.


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: zenotter]
    #6292906 - 11/17/06 03:34 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

fantastic, you are very good grower!!!!
I've tried to grow a kratom plant from seed last year but I failed :frown:

check this site to buy kratom it's the cheapest and the quality is the same. I bought 200 grams of kratom this summer from here and was fantastic: http://www.thekratomking.com/

anyone knows where to buy in Europe cutting of kratom????


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: Luriccio]
    #6293362 - 11/17/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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fantastic, you are very good grower!!!!
I've tried to grow a kratom plant from seed last year but I failed :frown:

check this site to buy kratom it's the cheapest and the quality is the same. I bought 200 grams of kratom this summer from here and was fantastic: http://www.thekratomking.com/

anyone knows where to buy in Europe cutting of kratom????




I have read in a couple places that the Kratom Seed is only viable for 1 to 2 weeks after coming off the tree.  I would guess it would be pretty tough to mail order a seed and have it still be viable when you receive it.  This is the main reason Kratom is sold as cuttings. 

If I stumble over a EU source for trees in my reading I will PM you or post it here.


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: zenotter]
    #6293390 - 11/17/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

tanks!!
I want a Kratom plant!!!  :crazy2:


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: Luriccio]
    #6293460 - 11/17/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Growing from seed is hard, but I've done it, and with seeds that were 3 months old.

It was harder for me, to figure out how to root a damn cutting. But once you have healthy roots, kratom is pretty hard to kill.

Kratom King is indeed, the shit. In the states, orders arrive in 2 days. And the quality is propper, yo.


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Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.

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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: Brewmaster]
    #6293934 - 11/17/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

This thread just started up in the Marketplace forum. Second post down has some useful info by someone else who hass grown them from a seed.
Kratom Thread

Good to know that what I read about the seeds isn't true. It seems like when you have a topic for which there is little info out there, someone can make some BS remark on their website, and then 20 other websites all copy that info, and pretty soon it is taken as a fact.


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Edited by zenotter (11/17/06 01:14 PM)


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: zenotter]
    #6295366 - 11/17/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I have 5 plants grown from seed indoors under my 1000 hps hortilux. two are doing crappy and the other three are good. One is about 3 feet tall now at about 9 months. Kratom likes a humidity dome and nice wet soil "promix". feed them regularly also. and they dont require much rootspace either. It is hard to get cuttings to root also. I killed off a few already.
Ill go snap some pics brb


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: cpw1971]
    #6295393 - 11/17/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)





  the humidity dome is made from a wire dog kennel thing wrapped in saran wrap.  I just made it a few days ago. without it a lot of my new leaves were drying out upon opening.  misting the plants a few times a day is also a good thing.
  and if anyone has mimosa or acacia they wanna trade pm me
  I would rather have the dmt containing plants  :mushroom2:


Edited by cpw1971 (11/17/06 09:34 PM)


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: cpw1971]
    #6298720 - 11/19/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

well kratom does love indoor light, especially 1000 watt hps. it does not however like being directly under it. a view of the light from the side is more then enough. from these pics you can see how big the leaves really can get under hid light.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g286/durban_poison/SA550061.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g286/durban_poison/SA550039.jpg
this one shows the size of the leaf
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g286/durban_poison/SA550040.jpg


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: cpw1971]
    #6298723 - 11/19/06 03:20 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

looks like your plant is in the dog house. :grin:
nice cacti by the way.


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Re: Kratom Tree photos and comparison [Re: durban_poison]
    #6304265 - 11/20/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

thanks dp, you have nice plants bro
you are right about the light from the side also.


Edited by cpw1971 (11/20/06 09:43 PM)


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