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OfflinePhishe
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Faith affecting trip?
    #6298494 - 11/19/06 12:19 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I was wondering whether faith has a broad control on a psychedelic trip. You hear many stories of how psychedelics can be spirtual and religious giving you a glimpse of god. Would not having faith negatively affect your trip? If your on an intense trip and you have a vision of god, will I reject it since i have no faith, or will this simply not appear in my trips because of my lack of faith?

Kind of a confusing question but i'd appreciate input.

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Phishe]
    #6298525 - 11/19/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say all sorts of scenarios are possible. There are just so many variables to take into account...


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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Ajna4201]
    #6298538 - 11/19/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ill honestly say that I have no true faith and it has never effected any of my trips, or at leist anylevel that I have experianced thus far.

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: TigerMtnCrew]
    #6298721 - 11/19/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i think that you have to find faith in yourself, and once you realise that people are gods too than youre trips will become profound

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Phishe]
    #6298983 - 11/19/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Well first, determine weather its that you have no faith, or that you dont beleve in organized religion. Im Agnostic, if you want to put a lable on it. I have alot of Faith, but i hold none for most all of organized religion. I have had no negative or non-enlightening experiences on mushies because of what i beleve. Then again, i will only beleve something, untill it is disproven. I have had visions of some kind and powerfull being on a few of my really high dose trips, and if anything, they have shown me something i didnt know about. And because of that, it has left an impression on me. And through all of the trips i have had, my religion evolved from near Atheism to now, Collective Consiousness.


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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Phishe]
    #6299080 - 11/19/06 10:20 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Phishe said:
I was wondering whether faith has a broad control on a psychedelic trip. You hear many stories of how psychedelics can be spirtual and religious giving you a glimpse of god. Would not having faith negatively affect your trip? If your on an intense trip and you have a vision of god, will I reject it since i have no faith, or will this simply not appear in my trips because of my lack of faith?

Kind of a confusing question but i'd appreciate input.




Whoooooa broad question.

The thing about faith, is that in modern society it is often inseparable from psychological trickery. The composition of the faith will be entirely different between any 2 individuals. Some forge faith with honesty, some fear, some love, some power.

I think it's pretty much impossible to predict the results of a high-power unknown on an individual. Especially if it lets them think they're seeing god.


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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Phishe]
    #6299098 - 11/19/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

the Truth leaves no room for doubt - it is not something that can be brushed off as an illusion of the mind

as McKenna said of 'real truth', "you can kick the tires and take it for a spin"


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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Lion]
    #6299275 - 11/19/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

From trip reports I've read, many people seem to interpret effects of their experiences within their chosen faith. I don't think that the effects necessarily differ based on your faith, just your interpretation of them.

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Phishe]
    #6299431 - 11/19/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

If anything I believe not having a "faith" would help you lose your ego, that's one less boundary the mushrooms have to take down. But then again, you can say you have no faith but you could be lying, like the saying there are no atheists in fox holes. But really, if you want a profound experince you'll get it no matter what you believe in, or what you think you believe in, as long as you get a high enough dose.

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: slamdunk]
    #6299434 - 11/19/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I dont believe in any sort of higher power, but a few times mushrooms have made me doubt in belief in nothing.

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Phishe]
    #6299470 - 11/19/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an atheist who has had, what I consider, "visions of God." It was an interesting hallucination, but other than that, it didn't concern me much. I can understand how a spiritual/religious person might value experiences like these, but for me it was just another sweet visual. I don't think having lack of faith will negatively affect your trip. It may make you wonder "Why am I having religiously oriented visuals?", but that isn't such bad question to ask yourself.

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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6299777 - 11/19/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

My friend, who didn't believe in God, felt his presence after drinking some alcohol and smoking marijuana. Since then he's a Catholic and, what's more funny, he's not drinking nor smoking weed because of his religion :laugh:


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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: Mandark]
    #6299826 - 11/19/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

hahaha


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Re: Faith affecting trip? [Re: DeathCompany]
    #6303920 - 11/20/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Well thanks for all the input, but in the end it seems like something that can only be known when it is encountered.

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