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 agoutihead
 
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 if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? 
#6302039 - 11/20/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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im either going to do acid, sally d or rue.... in that order of choices.
i really want to just to the acid. 
but i might just take rue if i dont take the acid... and it will last alot longer than sally d.... how much rue should i take for a medium to high dose?
should i just crush them and eat them with juice or something????
should i expect any sickness???
how long does the trip usually last?
rue is pretty visual correct?
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: agoutihead]
#6302079 - 11/20/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rue alone doesn´t give a pleasant trip.
At the point you get anything worthwhile in visuals you are already at a point where the dose is possibly toxic (serotonine syndrome ect.)
I have tried this once just for kicks and didn´t enjoy it much (if at all)
I got sick as fuck and just ended up puking for the next 5 hours (after about one hour after ingestion)
I could just lay down and do nothing, that was okay, but if i moved my head just an inch the naused was just extreme.
Never hugged my toilet that much (and i have never crawled into the bathroom that often)
The visuals are interesting but nothing special.
No pretty colors, but more like real world images.
With closed eyes its like a snapshot parade with 3-4 picutes per second without transmissions. They are quite detailed but you don´t have much time to get that much detail because the next completly disconnected image pops up.
Like first you see the whole galaxy and a split second later you stand in a forest and then you are falling through clouds.
Open eye is not very pronounced, some swirlyness on surfaces a little swaying, but no morphing or hardcore bending.
Bodyfeling is a little floating, but mostly the real body movements but enhanced by factor 1000x in speed very weird and quite unpleasant feeling)
So to answer you questions in short:
You will get very sick up to the point where you just want to die.
The trip lasts about 6 hours with full effects then expect 4 hours minor effects and 6 hours aftermath with a headache and stuff.
Rue is visual, but not to the point where it is intersting on it alone. much better to combine it with something that wasting the stuff on its own.
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agoutihead
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Pithlit]
#6302097 - 11/20/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmm, you might be so far the only person who has said not to try it on its own and that its not worth it.
but your description does sound unintersting.
i actually just realized i ate a piece of pizza earlier today so that put tryamines into my body... so its a no go today.
were just gonna smoke up some sally d.... hopefully i get something worthwhile this time.
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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."
"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: agoutihead]
#6302120 - 11/20/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, i was raher inexperienced in psychadelics back in the days when i did this and maybe my way of ingestion wasn´t exactly perfect.
I had made an extract out of 7gr. boiled it down until it got a black slime, dried that and put it all in 5 00 capsuls wich were then swallowed on an empty stomach considering the diet stuff.
But as sauid i probably puked up half of the stuff and that way my dose description wouldn´t be accurate.
Well, in case you try it, please write of you experience i would love to be proven wrong.
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Pithlit]
#6302185 - 11/20/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rue doesn't provide a good trip on it's own, expect to feel sick, heavy, tired, dizzy, confused and disoriented. I've never had any "visions" or hallucinations from any dose of rue alone.
Start with 5g and see how that feels. Just chew them up and swallow. If you actually like the way it makes you feel then great, take more next time. I really can't imagine why people are recommending this. It's just an maoi, there's really nothing special there. Just nausea.
(imo)
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Pithlit]
#6302188 - 11/20/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am going to dose rue alone next week at about a 3 gram level, to see how it affects my mind and body before I use it in a combo.
7 grams will certainly make you sick.
but some people do like rue.
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6302194 - 11/20/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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For me, rue will be very interesting.
I have a unique and sensitive serotonin balance, I have been learning to understand, observe, and influence it for a long time. I will be very interested to compare and contrast an MAOi to an SSRI or a serotonin stimulant like MDMA.
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6302324 - 11/20/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm always preaching about how one should fast for a day before taking ayahuasca, but it should be pointed out that, when using high doses of rue/ any maoi, you really do need to watch what you eat.
Taking 2-3g of s.r. to set off some mimosa or something, isn't really a big deal, but 7-10g could be quite uncomfortable with tyramines in ya.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Brewmaster]
#6302364 - 11/20/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I will be avoiding tryamines for 3 days before and 2 days after, and I will be not eating for several hours before I dose.
I might rethink my dose to closer to 4-5g.
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6302367 - 11/20/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would you feel like giving me more detailed descriptions of the perceptual changes you experienced on rue alone?
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6302438 - 11/20/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The most I've taken was about 9g (I have a crappy scale) and the effects were like a low dose of amanita. I felt very tired, nauseaus and heavy, like I had twenty pound weights on my wrists and ankles.
As far as perceptual changes, it makes me feel drunk. That's the best way to describe it. Thinking random, stupid thoughts while feeling somewhat confused and out of place. There weren't any visuals other than sensing the room spinning ( again, like being drunk ). I also had either a ringing in my ears or a tingling, buzzing sensation in my head for the entire time. If the ringing stopped, I started to feel the buzzing. The whole 3 hour experience was quite irritating and not something I would want to repeat. It was the one time in my life that I tried to make myself throw up.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Brewmaster]
#6302474 - 11/20/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting, what setting would you recommend?
That noise/buzz level you mention seems very familiar to me, it has been mentioned in many other reports.
I wonder if it is a psychological manifestation of the lowered range of perceptual awareness corresponding to a lower swing in serotonin levels.
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6302506 - 11/20/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd recommend laying on the couch.
You probably won't have the energy to play frizbee golf.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Brewmaster]
#6302563 - 11/20/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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THERE'S A FRIZBEE GOLF?!?!
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6302569 - 11/20/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't tell me you've never frolfed.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Brewmaster]
#6302604 - 11/20/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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not once. doesn't the frizbee just break? lol
...maybe you throw it? heh
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Brewmaster]
#6302636 - 11/20/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmm i dont know if i will try it now, doesnt sound likes its worthing taking except in yage.
thanks guys.
also, if your only using 3 grams of rue in a yage brew.... is it really that nessecary to not eat tryamines? or does it only come into play as a problem in the 7-10 g range?
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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."
"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: agoutihead]
#6302716 - 11/20/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have generally stopped taking rue as an maoi, as I only used it with mimosa, and I've stopped using that in my brew because I find viridis or cabrerana much better. That said, I really don't think that a few grams is going to have any terrible, adverse reactions, as long as you're not gorging yourself on steak and gorganzola. However, I like to fast before taking any dmt containing brew, as I will most certainly throw up. I find it better to puke just water and then dry heave for a minute, as opposed to chunks of undigested food, which may or may not be ejected out your nose piece.
Mango: Really? What state/ country do you live in where there is no frolf? ( officionados hate this term ) It's just like golf but the "hole" is a tall pole with a chain basket hanging from it at about waist level. People like my friends, who are all about it, carry bags of different frizbees of varying size, weight and curvature to act as a driver, putter, etc. It's really fun on a good course that winds through the woods, has water hazards and varying holes.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: Brewmaster]
#6302728 - 11/20/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh shit that's fucked up man, I thought it would be an undeveloped/half joke game.
Sounds pretty cool, but we do not seem to have much on the East Coast of Canada.
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Re: if taking rue alone.... how much for a medium-high trip???? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6302751 - 11/20/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You've got Nova Scotia.
Nova Scotia's pretty cool.
My roots are in Canada as well, btw.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now that is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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