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PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK * 1
    #6296098 - 11/18/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

The object of this post is to give folks a BASIC IDEA
HOW TO BUILD A BIG BULK PASTURIZER.
(for trays, or bags of bulk substrate)

Below is a rough sketch of a very basic bulk pasteurizer
(anyone with basic carpentry & electrical skills can build)

ROUGH SKETCH 4X4x8 ft pole barn style building

BASIC MATERIALS
Four ten ft treated 4X4's
Five sheets exterior plywood
Five sheets thick Styrofoam insulation
2X6 floor joists
60 ft of 3 inch angle
(as mounts for racks & post ties)
4 bags fence post concrete
Hinges & door hardware
If plumbed for water, a garden hose works.

NO, I did not list every nut, bolt, nail.
Again, the object is to give you the basic premise.
You take it from there.

You will need BASIC TOOLS
As well as rough carpenter & electrical skills.

You can build it as primitive, or fancy, as you want.

How you heat it, is up to you.
(SOME HINTS BELOW :tongue:)

Steam generator links:

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6296100 - 11/18/06 03:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Nice idea. Your up early,lol.

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: FungusMan]
    #6296111 - 11/18/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Nice idea. Your up early,lol.




LOL, up LATE, don't you mean.

It's not an idea.
It's a fairly inexpensive practical solution.
For those with the need, skill, room & ability.
(who can afford it)

Next stage UP, is a 20 or 40 ft steel cargo container. :eek:
You load with a forklift, LOL.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6296113 - 11/18/06 03:42 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Lol. Yeah, and I fell ya. Havent been to bed eithe. 5:42am here...

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: FungusMan]
    #6296130 - 11/18/06 04:01 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Goddamn, agar! you never cease to amaze me with your ingenuity,  I wish I had the space to grow that many shrooms, otherwise, I would be.  a fuckin sauna heater!! :rofl2: HILARIOUS.  As of late, it seems you have had a crazy wave of creativity.  I love it.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: ToTheExtreme, LOL]
    #6296141 - 11/18/06 04:27 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

agar... if you were a woman i would kiss you..... if you put on some lipstick i might anyway ... lol j/k
i'll try this out..... would save me some oven space for my digiorno....... its not delivery ..... its digiorno

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: boogertool]
    #6296155 - 11/18/06 05:14 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You, sir, are ridiculous. But damn I love your posts.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Legend9123]
    #6296180 - 11/18/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

If I ever find the need to pasteurize that much substrate, I'm sure I'll be very thankful for bookmarking this post!


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6296181 - 11/18/06 05:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I have two saunas. So now I only need to modify rest of my house into a fruiting chamber!
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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Arno]
    #6296295 - 11/18/06 07:45 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I have two saunas. So now I only need to modify rest of my house into a fruiting chamber!
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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Blutjager]
    #6296332 - 11/18/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

One of our local growers uses a similar building and heats it with propane fired 'salamanders' which are those torpedo looking heaters used on construction sites. He puts the the heater right inside, with the propane bottle just outside the building. He actually uses his grow area, and makes up the trays of substrate, then heats the entire grow area to pasteurize, because it also kills off all the flies and molds in the room.
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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6296347 - 11/18/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

wow that seriously is a BIG and simply pasteurizer, i like :smile:
now, who needs such a thing except for commercial growers :wink:
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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: ohmatic]
    #6296352 - 11/18/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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wow that seriously is a BIG and simply pasteurizer, i like :smile:
now, who needs such a thing except for commercial growers :wink:
(edible ofcoz)




I don't need that much substrate but I sure would like to be able to put that much to good use :hehehe:

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Blutjager]
    #6296666 - 11/18/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

damn lol hella nice there. but i am only looking at pasteurizing like 40-80LB of dry h/poo a months. (but at the same time)

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: joker_66599]
    #6296751 - 11/18/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

would save me alot of $ on buying hydrated pre past substrate, delivered.

sure is ALOT!


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: joker_66599]
    #6296778 - 11/18/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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damn lol hella nice there.  but i am only looking at pasteurizing like 40-80LB of dry h/poo a months.  (but at the same time)
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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6296800 - 11/18/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

that might be an idea have to think about it only 1 bedrooms apartment right now :frown:

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: joker_66599]
    #6296917 - 11/18/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)



Busboy trays, or plastic mortar mix tubs, work well for holding lots of bulk substrate, in large pasteurizers


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6296931 - 11/18/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I assume the cook times would vary based on the bulk and heating methods. How would you go about timing? Use a thermostat embeded in the substrate?

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Rahz]
    #6297024 - 11/18/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Rahz said: I assume the cook times would vary based on the bulk and heating methods. How would you go about timing? Use a thermostat embeded in the substrate? rahz




It will all vary, by load weight, thickness, trays, or bags.

You can go simple, or fancy.

A couple candy thermometer embedded in substrate trays, or bags will give you internal substrate temps. A couple outdoor thermometers hung from slats will give you extremal temps, inside the building.

Patience is REQUIRED.
A full load, it is advisable to run exterior temps near 170F, first day (24 hours), then lower to 150/155F second & third day.

A 3 day run will usually do the trick.

Object is to bring internal temps up to 145 / 155f range, for about 8 to 12 hours.



A lot will depend on outdoor temps.
Summer (heat)is far quicker, winter (cold)is longer.

If anyone builds one of these.
Test & tinker with it, empty.
UNTIL you can CONTROL & MAINTAIN proper temp ranges.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6297259 - 11/18/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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would save me alot of $ on buying hydrated pre past substrate, delivered.




Ya, Tenn/Stud should build one 2X that big.
It might improve his delivery times.

But, I speculate the truth is, he doesn't actually pasteurize his filter patch bagged substrate.

Reason being, folks have mentioned storing it for months.
Prior to use.

A truly pasteurized only substrate has a lot of living bacteria & microbes in it.
Given, they have nutrients, moisture & gas exchange.
Over time, they will grow (unless refrigerated).
Over time, that microbial activity in the bags, becomes VISIBLE.

Which, those who have stored it over long periods.
Say, doesn't happen.

My guess is the bags are either nuked, or steam heat STERILIZED.

I have never had the pleasure of using any of his product.

But, anyone who has used unicorn filter/patch bags, could usually tell.
If the bag had been autoclaved, by close inspection of it.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6297370 - 11/18/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Close inspection of the bags i received, i don't think they were pc'd.

Just like you said, you can tell if a autoclavable bag has been run through the pc. I totally could be wrong also, (i have no bag to look at right now)

Makes alot of sence. pasturized, or steralized... either way it colonized great for me.

Working on those times would be great, but IMO i thought Mike would have pasturized it like stamets shows in TMC. Big ass barrel sitting on a flame at 160F. Load up bags to cool and drip. then load up the filterpatch bags. I would like to know the methodology used.

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Oatman2000]
    #6298151 - 11/18/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know how he does it but the stuff works great

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: Blutjager]
    #6298717 - 11/19/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know how he does it but the stuff works great




I was not in any way, saying Mikes product is not great stuff.
Those, I know/trust that have used it had great success's with it.

In particular, check HippyChicks grows, with it.
THEY ROCK :thumbup:

Just looking at Mikes pre-pasteurized product page picture.
It would appear the bag shown IS NOT STERILIZED.

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6298834 - 11/19/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

so what are the pro's and cons of sterilizing poo? should we stick with pasteurized?

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: boogertool]
    #6298838 - 11/19/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

PASTEURIZED is PREFERABLE.
Which contains BENEFICIAL live microbes.
That tend to fight off contaminates.

STERILIZED is just that.
Meaning, it is devoid of microbial activity/life.
So, it is open to any contaminate, that gets to it.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6298928 - 11/19/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i made one of these that can do a cooler full in a couple hours




$50 wallpaper steamer thingy and a $10 cooler.
drill a hole into the cooler big enough to put the hose in, then i drilled a 1/8" hole for venting on the top. use a basket or whatever to hold your substrate. i use a wire mesh on top of shot glasses to create room for the steam to go throughout the whole cooler.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: DrB]
    #6298935 - 11/19/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You can use a AA pressure cooker as a steam generator by attaching a heat tolerant tubing such as teflon to the nozzle you set the weight on. Route the tubing to a tub or barrel with your straw.
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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: DrB]
    #6298937 - 11/19/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

How do you control the substrate temperature?


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6298943 - 11/19/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

LOL, I have distilled a few things with an AA 941 sterilizer.

Removed 2nd pressure toggle valve & replaced with copper tubing coil.



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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6298944 - 11/19/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

the wagner power steamer only gets up to ~170 degrees F.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: DrB]
    #6298947 - 11/19/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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the wagner power steamer only gets up to ~170 degrees F.




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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6299097 - 11/19/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

sounds interesting.... $60 for a pasturization dream machine.


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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6332395 - 12/04/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

how big of a steam generator would one use for a 25cubic foot deep freezer.

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: dillinger]
    #6407690 - 12/29/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

^I bet two of those wagner wallpaper steamers would do it. Only thing is, I hear those run out of water really fast so you would need to rig something up - either a larger resevoir or an auto filler.

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Re: PASTEURIZING 1200 LBS OF SUBSTRATE A WEEK [Re: agar]
    #6408238 - 12/29/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL, I have distilled a few things with an AA 941 sterilizer.
Removed 2nd pressure toggle valve & replaced with copper tubing coil.





HA HA me too a few years back a made 5 gallons of plum wine like a do every year when my orchard is ready , but this year the plumbs  a little higher in acid than normal and the yeast i used had a higher attenuation than i normally use but i had a huge liquid culture of it so used it anyway , long story short the hooch was super DRY and Sour because the yeast used ALL the sugar and the extra acid in it was just plan bad.

So took my copper wort chiller and hooked it to my presser cooker
and made some thrice distilled ever clear. it truly was white lighting
luckily i learned what fuse alcohol is and what fore shots and after shots are only hurt my eyes a little :smile: now i make whiskey a few times a year with a Still i made from a 30 gal electric water heater


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