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Ferris
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6287074 - 11/15/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Um, were you homeless on purpose?
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6287213 - 11/15/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have considered becoming homeless on purpose.
There is more than enough (edible/useable) waste produced by our society for a sane and cogent individual to live comfortably. I was considering it as a rejection of materialism and social norms, and as an experiment to challenge my own ability to adapt. I believe that fear of losing all of our possessions is used as leverage against us to "force" us into buying into the notion of consumerism/materialism. In reality, I think that I could live off of dumpstering and camping for quite some time. It would expose me to a sector of society that I am not familiar with and gain me some insight into how they live. I decided that although it would be an interesting story and an exciting experience, it doesn't further my present goals (such as graduating from college).
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Re: Homelessness [Re: aelephant]
#6287341 - 11/15/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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aelephant said: I have considered becoming homeless on purpose.
There is more than enough (edible/useable) waste produced by our society for a sane and cogent individual to live comfortably. I was considering it as a rejection of materialism and social norms, and as an experiment to challenge my own ability to adapt. I believe that fear of losing all of our possessions is used as leverage against us to "force" us into buying into the notion of consumerism/materialism. In reality, I think that I could live off of dumpstering and camping for quite some time. It would expose me to a sector of society that I am not familiar with and gain me some insight into how they live. I decided that although it would be an interesting story and an exciting experience, it doesn't further my present goals (such as graduating from college).
That's what i was thinking he was doing.
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6287345 - 11/15/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ferris said: I don't think many people go homeless on purpose, not entirely at least. My decline was very gradual and I only really hit rock bottom once or twice. I had friends around me the whole time, but was too proud to ask for help or even let them know I was homeless. I would like to blame drugs, but that was just one of many factors
So what actually happened? Full story!
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Re: Homelessness [Re: aelephant]
#6287364 - 11/15/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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if you do, good luck to you.
It's something I would like to *try* and test, but for excuses and lack of courage probably won't do it
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Re: Homelessness [Re: aelephant]
#6287858 - 11/15/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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aelephant said: I have considered becoming homeless on purpose.
There is more than enough (edible/useable) waste produced by our society for a sane and cogent individual to live comfortably. I was considering it as a rejection of materialism and social norms, and as an experiment to challenge my own ability to adapt. I believe that fear of losing all of our possessions is used as leverage against us to "force" us into buying into the notion of consumerism/materialism. In reality, I think that I could live off of dumpstering and camping for quite some time. It would expose me to a sector of society that I am not familiar with and gain me some insight into how they live. I decided that although it would be an interesting story and an exciting experience, it doesn't further my present goals (such as graduating from college).
Thats what ive done a couple times, for a couple months. Hitchin' around, and ridin' trains, eatin' where there's food, accepting kindness and friendship whereever it popped up.
I see that as part of my culture, but also realize that that lifestyle doesnt furthur the attainment of my goals. However, i also wish to explore it more, especially internationally - as being a hobo, or pulling up your roots, certainly plays a great role in humbling a man.
I disagree with the statement that "not many people choose to be homeless on purpose" as i know Hordes.. Infact, almost anyone "street level" that ive met, whose worth knowing, - has chosen to put themselves there. Once you get into the "culture", especially the DIY anticapitalist/activist/resistance culture - homeless takes a new shape, although its still ridden with social politics, conformist expectations, drug problems, sexual problems, etc!
I say, give it a try.
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Re: Homelessness [Re: PDU]
#6288533 - 11/16/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have some experience hanging out with homeless dudes. My first time was when I was working on this boat with a homeless dude. He seemed like an honest, smart guy, which he was. So.. my parents went awya for a week and I let him kick it at my house. I knew he was honest so I didn't expect him to steal stuff, thuogh there were times when I had doubts. He is a meth addict and I smoked with him one night just to get high. Man.. horrible decision. I was feeling the effects of that stuff for a long time. I smelled it in my lungs. I noticed the lasting after effects. It's just no good at all. I have to say.. anyone who smokes meth really has nothing going for them because that drug sucks. So.. back to the point. I let him chill with me. I consider him a friend, but at the same time he had a really downer way of looking at things. He said he didn't care and that he thought life sucked. I mean.. he would work for an honest days wage (way too little, beleive me) as a skilled worker and he was proud of that. He knew some good advices. However, it seems like I could not really be a good friend to him because he just seemed to bring me down alot. He was always high on meth and cleaning stuff over and over. I just wish that he would have actually quit. I kept suggesting that he should quit and he ended up leaving his pipe at my house before leaving at the end of the week. I thought that giving him a good place to stay would help him to think things over and really turn a new leaf, but he ended up getting back on meth (I've seen him since then and I don't really care to ever see him again for said reason). The one good thing is that he is working towards getting a job so he might eventually have some place to stay and have a stable enough lifestyle to be a part of his kids' lives, but I dunno about him. He just does not want to make the right choices even though he knows what's best.
I also met another homeless dude walking along this path one night. We started talking and he was cool, too, so I offered to smoke him out. He had a good hook so we drove there and back and smoked some weed while we played chess. He was actually a cool guy and I felt like he had lots of wisdom. He was just homeless because he probably didn't care enough to have a job and all that. On that day that I found him, he was just walking along the coast for the experience. It's always cool to meet up with someone else who goes with the flow even if it's nowhere near the norm. A good person is a good person after all. =)
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6289436 - 11/16/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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you should take a look at a book called evasion published by crimethinc, i've also spent a bit of time in the past living that way
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6289974 - 11/16/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK, tag, you're it. What would you guys do if you somehow became homeless?
I've thought about this a lot, and I definetely would go back to California if I ended up homeless. When I lived there, even though I had a job and a house, I was really drawn to how active and vivacious the street culture was. It's a damn shame there is such a prevailance of junkies and alchoholics, because I know for certain there is a lot of wisdom and strength living on the pavement out there in CA. I would love to be a part of that great moving tribe of anarchy and freedom. Migrating between Humboldt county, the East Bay, Santa Cruz, the Sierra Mountains, Los Angeles, Ojai, Santa Barbara, and the towns surrounding Joshua Tree. Bumming food, rides, pot, and sharing music, stories and scraps of subversive information with an always changing cycle of people.
Being diabetic makes it hard though. It's not really possible to be diabetic and healthy if you don't have money for medication to take care of yourself.
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Well I guess if i was homeless, i would have to be around somewhere with other people, i would try to go to a unique city, where people were kind, the northwest coast / canada or ... well thats kinda cold to be homeless tho. I don tknow. Id rather plan it out and just go live in the woods. I heard Asheville, NC has some kind folks, probably wouldnt be too cold. I honestly dont know. id rather it be warm, so i could just go around in shorts / shirt than have to get bundled up someplace warm definately
on a different note, my cousin went dumpster diving/ trainhopping / squatting for about a year. shes pretty intresting. I dont think i could do it.. id have to lose alot more hope... sorry this post is so jumbled
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6292168 - 11/16/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ferris said: In most cases there is a contributing factor that gives the extra push.
Yeah, im just saying that the contributing factor for alot of people is dissatisfaction with the social/political scheme they are raised in. I get the impression you might be talking about something more like.. kids from broken homes are more likely to go homeless (which may be true.) i am assuming, but just had to state.
Also, on the note of travelling groups.. There are many ACTIVE groups currently doing just this, in the US and Canada - loose associations of nomads.
The FTRA - freight train riders of America may be one of the most resiliant, unclassifiable, scary, and organized out of the bunch.
The dirty kids/crusties. Who are paralled by the punks and even the activists, and then again by the modern day hobo squatters. - In my opinion these are the kids with morals who are commited to living sustainably outside of the predominent system.
There's the wandering rainbow kids - who can be any and everyone as far as scenes go.
+ there's the nomadic freetekno peeps, Also reasonably pure, trustworthy and active "for the cause". _______________________________________________
Of the bunch, as far as fulltime homeless are concerned - FTRA is by far the most organized, They'll meet up and Pan, and get food, and set up camps and take on a new city in a group that gets set up in a week or two. Great team work, and communication.. just usually a sketchy shitshow.
Im just sayin' once you meet people, and see how things are "street level" you see the same people around.
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6292313 - 11/16/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh, i forgot the gypsies.
When i was in minneapolis (sp?) i was bummin around with a kid named Kevin - he was an art student that.. was bummin around for kicks, toured with the gypsies for a few years doing fire shows on street corners. Lived well.. lived in sort of nomadic gypsy commune in the desert before riding the trains.
While we were in town, about 16 ftra came to town.. They had all the corners, and were very intimidating. We ended up getting a good train crew change though. There's honor amongst each other..
I dont see why you'd doubt their lifestyles. Ive known a few who just live hard, to die young. Thats generally the consensus of the ftra, or fulltime train kids - just some of them make it, and thats your travellin' hobo - tattoo'd face, mean, drunk, on speed - hittin up different states food stamps or whatever the government can offer - etc.
For me, im into the DIY punk kids, crimethinc kids, zinesters, thrashers, organic/barefootist/bike courier, tall bike, trains, squats, farms... its a more feasable culture. Actually doing something, rather than just bumming.
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Re: Homelessness [Re: Ferris]
#6292421 - 11/16/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I saw a paul van dyke concert with my girl friend in central park ( I rolled face, she didn't) And as I was tryin to hail a cab i saw this homeless dude running out of the park right towards my girl friend, I freaked and grabbed her.. the homeless guy ran across the street.. fewhhh that was close.. My opinion about homeless people is.. We have welfare so FUCKING use it.. Even better get a job at burger king.. shit You can work and prob snag a few burgers for dinner.. I don't know I think these people are very odd and 75% of them may have a mental disorder and need to be hospitalized for treatment.. Others are just drug fiends who seem to not care about anything else but DRUGS.. Get a job!
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