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Re: likelihood of schizophrenia [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #6286743 - 11/15/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I have schizophrenia on both sides of my family(one suicide). Psychedelics did help me to understand schizophrenia alot better because there are some similarities between schizophrenia and a psychedelic trip.

I have tripped around 170 times, mostly on lsd and mushrooms. I have never had a problem, but I would have to say they have made me more schizotypal than I ever was before. I have always tripped differently than most people. I seem to find meaning, sychronicity, metaphores etc everywhere, everytime I trip, unlike most people I know. I also believe in some crazy things though they may be quite scientific. Sort of on par with T Mckenna and his brother....

I honestly would be less worried about lsd if I were you. I would be more careful with things like dmt, mushrooms and most of all, ayahuasca.

"My question is: is it possible to develop PERMANENT schizophrenia from taking shrooms no more than 10 times"?

My answer would be yes, its definately possible.
Its even possible for a normal person with no schizotypal tendancies to become much more schizotypal, even schizophrenic because of psychedelics.

Its not a HUGE risk, but there is that chance. You will likely know better about the answer to your question once you take a dose that gives you full effects.
Its really up to you. You do smoke alot of pot after all and that can also bring about this illness.

I know one person who had been schizophrenic for years but was not diagnosed untill his later life due to a breakdown. He took mushrooms earlier in life, and that did make it worse. It was the straw that broke the camels back. Needless to say, he really likes hallucinogens, feels very at home with them, but knows he can never take them again because it blurs the line between his imagination and reality.

What I just said is probably what he would say to you.

Its definately worth a shot, but there is no number of trips that is the breaking point. I mean, this guy was schizophrenic for most of his adult life, he still used hallucinogens safely for a number of years before it became very apparent that he needed to stop.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: likelihood of schizophrenia [Re: MustardMan]
    #6286870 - 11/15/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms have a sort of personality, a sort of otherworldly feel.
Damn near magical. They pick you up and drop you off where ever they want. Ego loss on mushrooms could be a real bitch for a potential schizophrenic because you cant see it coming. It just happens. With lsd,for me and others that I know and even people I have talked to here, you know where you are going and you see it coming, you work with it personally.

Lsd keeps your neat little package together yet you can still trip very hard. Lsd, I guess for me, is more self analytical, process oriented, geometric, and less cyclical, curved/limitless, undefinable and "out there"..... Basically its mindblowing in a whole different way. A way that is more based in this world and your "self".

Seriously though, I do also believe ayahuasca is something this guy would want to be VERY careful with. I know what it did to me and how it changed my life.

The schizophrenic I know that is not in my family knows alot about hallucinogens. He would STRONGLY agree with me. That is just another opinion though it may be the opinion of a schizophrenic(perhapse even more relavent)...

This is all just my advise, my opinion......
I guess Id just be careful with all of these things.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: likelihood of schizophrenia [Re: 13coyote]
    #6287552 - 11/15/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

They can all be bad for schizophrenics. I personally know a schizophrenic who knows hallucinogens like the back of his hand. He wont ever take another hallucinogen, but if he did it would be lsd.

Ayahuasca takes the cake though.....I shit you not. Im fairly certain this is not just my opinion. It mainly has to do with maois. Maois kind of seal the deal. It the most incredible hallucinogen I have ever tried, and it is so amazing that a schizophrenic mind might not be able to deal with its long lasting after effects. Sure, a low dose is a low dose, but ayahuasca changes anyone who takes a thick dose. Its mostly chemical. Its a life long experience.

But ya, Its debatable as to whether mushrooms or lsd are worse for schizos or potential schizos. All I know is my own experiences and more importantly, a good friend of mine who lives off of gov cheese because he is worse than most schizos. Lsd Is NOTHING compared to mushrooms for him. Mushrooms are VERY bad for him. Lsd is too, but he can almost see himself using it again before he dies.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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