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The Condition My Condition is in
    #6285510 - 11/15/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Condition

1.  A mode or state of being.

2.
  a. A state of health.
  b. A state of readiness or physical fitness.

3. A disease or physical ailment: a heart condition.

4. Social position; rank.

5. One that is indispensable to the appearance or occurrence of another; prerequisite.

6. One that restricts or modifies another; a qualification.

7. (conditions) Existing circumstances.




The discussion regarding unconditional love in Basilides' "Just Want to Say" thread inspired me to consider the conditions under which unconditional love is possible.  :wink:

It seem to me that both conditional AND unconditional love actually arise from the same (and sole) condition:  our "mode  or state of being."

When our state of being is centered externally, focused on blaming or praising outside circumstances for our own condition, we experience conditional love for ourself AND others.

When our state of being is centered internally, focused on taking 100% responsibility for the way we experience our outside circumstances and create our condition, we may experience unconditional love and acceptance of ourself AND others.

If we ask ourselves where we are centered, and examine the consequences (preferable and non-preferable) of that state of being, we may decide that a shift is in order.  If we experiment with shifting back and forth, and take careful (scientific) note of the results, IMO it becomes obvious that we are creating our experience.

What condition is YOUR condition in?  I just dropped in to find out...

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6285550 - 11/15/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

All true. I used to not believe in unconditional love. Now that I have the personal power to understand what it is I can say that one has no hope of lasting happiness without it.


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6285593 - 11/15/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with both of the above posts. :thumbup: :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Icelander]
    #6285822 - 11/15/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

what about unconditional healing.
this radiant effort need not be conditioned
nor need it be clouded with concepts about love,

peel that back and see more light.
good music.


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6285960 - 11/15/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I use unconditional acceptance.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6286037 - 11/15/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Me, conditioned to break conditions.
I really don't like them at all, but unfortunately I am consumed a lot by their necessity.

Condition human.

{feel free to ignore. I think I am just crossing over again :grin:}


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6286187 - 11/15/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Being "centered internally" is a condition.

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6286383 - 11/15/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, this is my point:

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It seem to me that both conditional AND unconditional love actually arise from the same (and sole) condition: our "mode or state of being."




I'm glad we agree!  :smile:

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6286666 - 11/15/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I'm confused. You're saying unconditional love is conditional?

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6287076 - 11/15/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I'm saying that both unconditional AND conditional love depend upon an internal condition.  Conditional love appears to depend upon external conditions (personal qualities of the other, kind actions of the other towards you, absence of objectionable behaviors by the other), but, in fact, is is dependent upon your state of being.

Unconditional love, by contrast, is clearly not motivated by external conditions, and cannot be practiced unless one has centered their state of being within.  As long as we are blaming other people for our reactions to them, and believe that our circumstances create our experience, we cannot love ourself or others unconditionally.  This is the prerequisite (condition) for the state of being (condition) in which one can love unconditionally.  :grin:

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6287427 - 11/15/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

dont cute kids have unconditional love for their parents
it is conditioned but offered without conditions
i.i. after imprinting the chicks love mommy without checking the contract for what they get in return.

hence conditioned but unconditional


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6288754 - 11/16/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Could be, or this could be semi-conditional attachment, which is the more-innocent version of the conditional attachment we call romantic love. 

Primate babies are a bit more picky than chicks, and do not imprint the first thing that moves.  If they are not cuddled and fed and changed, they do not attach.  (After that, the story gets very ugly, but that's a topic for another thread. :tongue:)

Usually, though, the baby attaches to their caregiver (care = condition for attachment), and idolizes her (or more rarely, him).  The adult attaches to the projected image of a loveable human (loveable qualities = condition), and idolizes him or her. 

The baby usually manages to maintain this idolatry for 13 or 14 years.  The adult manages it for 6 months, tops, and then begins to secretly detest the attachment object.

From there, the individuals involved may undertake the formation of a real (honest, open, conflicted, constantly fluctuating) relationship with one another.

They may also leave in a huff, feeling betrayed by the disillusionment they have experienced.

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6289141 - 11/16/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i think i read that about ten times and i hear its message but how many times?


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6289214 - 11/16/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Veritas said:... The adult manages it for 6 months, tops, and then begins to secretly detest the attachment object.



I am with current wife 16 years
it still feels like early in month number 3, honest.
maybe I get another 20 yrs before it degenerates into devenerated objects.


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6289338 - 11/16/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Or maybe it is not conditional attachment, aka infatuation, but actual LOVE.  :heart: :heart:

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6289348 - 11/16/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

or unconditional infatuation?


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6289555 - 11/16/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Infatuation seems to be induced by a combination of novelty and idealization.  The chemical "high" continues for approximately 6 months. It is possible that you could experience infatuation if you continued to idealize your partner, but few of us are capable of maintaining the illusion of perfection for very long.  :wink:

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6289565 - 11/16/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

maybe I am an irregular verb
also I take medicine to assist in illusions


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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6290109 - 11/16/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ah ha!  Conditioning your condition!  Thus, an infatuated worm.  :wink:

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Re: The Condition My Condition is in [Re: Veritas]
    #6290274 - 11/16/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

fatty


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