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Booby
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Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower.
#6285029 - 11/15/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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The company we keep directs our choice in the clothes we wear, the food we eat and our voting preference. True or False? ---------------------
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VampireSlayer
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Booby]
#6285098 - 11/15/06 07:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is true for the most part! there are differences in groups but I think overall it is society that really controls everything even group activity.
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Gomp
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Booby]
#6285175 - 11/15/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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True and False..
Indirectly, yes.. Directly, no..
BTW: I was thinking about making a post about "group mentality", but you hit the spot! Neat post!
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Gomp]
#6285288 - 11/15/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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in my experience it is the group at large, the nation, with all its media, politics, and other reality funnels that often direct the individual's drive,
notsomuch in smaller groups (friends, company, community,) where i find more individual power,
in my life that is.
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"Refuse it, and 'you' will never grasp it..." ~Unknown
Allow it, and 'you' shall be free from it... ~Me?
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Booby]
#6285378 - 11/15/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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True only if you allow it. Like with many things, if we don't think for ourselves, we will often default to the popular opinion/view of the culture we identify with.
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Booby]
#6285437 - 11/15/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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False. No one directs us but ourselves. Your friends do not control your mind, even if you choose to passively accept their POV as your own. The acceptance is yours, thus the direction is yours.
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Veritas]
#6285453 - 11/15/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Veritas said: False. No one directs us but ourselves. Your friends do not control your mind, even if you choose to passively accept their POV as your own. The acceptance is yours, thus the direction is yours.
Last night I was sitting in a car with my friends getting reallllly stoned, and the energy in the car was negative and everyone was talking about how fucked up their lives are and how they wish they had another chance, they didn't know what they were doing with their lives, etc.... And I realized that as much as I love them and want them to be content, recently I have been taking on their worldviews as my own - some part of me, my 'shadow' if you will, has a tremendous need to weigh itself down by perceiving burdens that I'm not even really bearing. And when I step back and look at it I'm in a good place now, intellectually, socially, spiritually. The mind is a trickster, and at all times we must strive to be aware of the energy it chooses to receive from the people with whom we interact.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Booby]
#6285511 - 11/15/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man are you ever wrong. I quit being susceptible to this type of peer pressure in high school. I take full responsibility for everything that I am and every choice that I make. It is all my construction.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6285575 - 11/15/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really? Maybe this is a recent occurance for you but you have told me many times that you have bowed to peer pressure in your life. Especially in the home and with relatives.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Icelander]
#6285589 - 11/15/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your wrong. Not to the extent of determining my tastes and my life philosophy. Have I compromised or not revealed my true opinion...of course I have. Just because I do not reveal my opinion does not mean that I bow to anothers. What I told you was that I have hidden my true feeling on certain matters. I have always gone my own way...even in high school. If I did not I would have never chosen the path that I take.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6285610 - 11/15/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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No you're wrong.
Whenever your actions change in the slightest to compensate for another, when you do not agree with their position, you are bowing to peer pressure. It's just a matter of degree. Like Jesus said. Don't go looking to judge too soon as you may be an offender yourself and not be able or willing to see it in yourself.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Icelander]
#6285623 - 11/15/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. Youre wrong. Original post: "The company we keep directs our choice in the clothes we wear, the food we eat and our voting preference"
If you want to be that picky, then only the clothes we wear, the food we eat and our voting preference are the issues at hand.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6285644 - 11/15/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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But the thread is entitled "Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower."
If you refrain from actions which would be in alignment with your values in order to gain acceptance, then you have subverted your will to appease the "group energy." It's a bummer, but it is accurate to call this "bowing to peer pressure."
I do it, at some level, on a daily basis.
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6285659 - 11/15/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said: No. Youre wrong. Original post: "The company we keep directs our choice in the clothes we wear, the food we eat and our voting preference"
If you want to be that picky, then only the clothes we wear, the food we eat and our voting preference are the issues at hand.
Of course I want to be picky. I call it getting to the meat of the issue.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Icelander]
#6285664 - 11/15/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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All right, all right...I'll agree if you'll just shut up about it.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Veritas
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6285686 - 11/15/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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AH HA! Bowing to peer pressure already!
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Icelander
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6285687 - 11/15/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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We can save it until your therapy appointment on Friday.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Veritas]
#6285696 - 11/15/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas said: False. No one directs us but ourselves. Your friends do not control your mind, even if you choose to passively accept their POV as your own. The acceptance is yours, thus the direction is yours.
Bingo. Not only that, but if the company you keep judges you based on what clothes you wear or how you speak, then they're probably not great people. Any TRUE friend will not even notice those things unless you ask them to.
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: IamHungry]
#6285712 - 11/15/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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"then they're probably not great people"
That doesn't mean anything. They are just dreaming. What is "great"?
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Booby
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Re: Group Energy Directs Individual Willpower. [Re: Booby]
#6285922 - 11/15/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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How about: We empower the State to have power over us. i.e. We give our heart to Jesus therefore Jesus has power over us. How does the conduct of a Christian differ from a Muslim. I'd be interested to hear the Muslim responses if there are any amongst us.
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