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 Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience  [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6274678 - 11/12/06 08:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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now here is the funny thing
often throwing understanding into confusion:
using pattern matching we can develop logical systems.
they are like artforms or models, and the descriptions of these metaphorical constructs emerge from thoughts. (and in this way they become thought images that can be recalled - and they have logical character from the engineering laws that they prove - but none of the contributing thoughts were logical, they were all associative or matchings of patterns).
all scientific and philosophical advances emerge from this (egg laying) process.
the logical systems (the eggs) work and are testable and some can be converted into functional engineering, but the thought that develops them is not logical, it is associative:
clouds of pattern matching. (not rational ~ intuitive)
sequences of images and use of cadence checking against parts of the logic model that already works.
(quasi rational - cadence matching is like baby talk, when the infant tries to enter adult conversation without any real words but it sounds like sentence structure)
then more pattern matching. (not rational ~ intuitive)
etc.
then the "thinker" gets up from his nest and if he is lucky he has laid a fine egg or 2.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#6274713 - 11/12/06 08:44 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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That was a freaking excellent post. This was a vivid expression of what I have only been touching on and helped me clarify my own thoughts on the matter.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#6274848 - 11/12/06 10:02 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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clearly I failed to deliver my point well enough:
Well maybe if you stopped speaking in parables JC. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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redgreenvines
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: Icelander]
#6274921 - 11/12/06 10:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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parables?
I been laying eggs.
if you want parables you can add flour and sugar.
beat and heat in a hot buttered pan.
yummy
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Veritas
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#6274940 - 11/12/06 10:38 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Will you send us some Canadian maple syrup to go with our parables? 
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#6274949 - 11/12/06 10:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree with Icelander. I don't want just the eggs...I got too many of my own. Give us the finished cake...with the icing...maybe a german chocolate cake....or a pecan pie...wait a minute...what were we talking about? I'm getting hungry...
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Veritas
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6274989 - 11/12/06 10:54 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Goddamnit, Jim, he's an artist, not a dessert chef!!!
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redgreenvines
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: Veritas]
#6275537 - 11/12/06 02:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i just eat fish soup for breakfast - or left over pasta
but got my fingers slapped this morning when I went for the cold pot of bolognese - it's for dinner, damn! (soon come)
only a few canadians have really sweet trees growing in their yards these days (acid rain - and we thought there was a shortage of acid!), that maple syrop stuff costs as much as opium!
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Veritas
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#6276070 - 11/12/06 04:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mmmm...I love cold pizza or warmed-up pasta for breakfast. Perversely enough, I also love traditional breakfast foods for dinner. When I was younger, I would go to an all-night diner at 1 or 2 a.m. & eat pancakes. Such the rebel. 
I instintively rejected the regimentation which so many seemed to take for granted. I did not want to eat a mealtimes, and I did not want to eat what I "should" want for a particular meal.
Perhaps this is non-rationality?
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: Veritas]
#6276194 - 11/12/06 05:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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my kinda girl!
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Veritas
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Re: Making Use of Non-Rational Experience [Re: redgreenvines]
#6276199 - 11/12/06 05:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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 I'm just visiting this planet.
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