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Offlinezepphead
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... blah blah blah
    #626770 - 05/11/02 12:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

after reading through sclorch's "illusion of reality" thread and replying to it i decided that my next thought deserved its own topic. however if you haven't already read "illusion of reality" you might get lost.

here goes...

anyone beleive that you can (or could with the right enlightenment) predict the future through your dreams? now i know this is a common theory and people say this all the time but i'd like to explain my opinion on 'why' it might be true?

precognition is the ablity to see things before they happen. now tying back to "illusion of reality" we might assume that there are two realities that work opposite another: "objective" and "subjective." in my post in "iilusion of reality" i questioned God's reality. for this post we will assume that God exists within the "objective" reality and is all knowing. if God is all knowing than he can obviously see the future.

now if the two realities, "objective" and "subjective" are interwoven than you might assume that you can cross from one to the other. you might argue that to cross from our "subjective" reality into God's "objective" reality would make you God or at least God-like. however, by perceiving God's "objective" reality, you are really "subjectively" aware of God's reality, thus your not really like God in the way you perceive things.

now, if God is all knowing and can see all, than by "subjectively" perceiving his "objective" reality you could assume you would see all that he sees. why? because if God's reality is "objective" than it is open to any outside perception: you; who would perceive it "subjectively."

still with me?

now back to the whole dream thing. if you accept and can fatham all of the previously written you could also wonder that your dreams are this conscious flip into God's "objective" reality. dreams are obviously "subjective." for the most part (if you think about it) a dream is as "real" as being awake. you perceive it with the same senses and conciousness. now if dreams really are a glimpse into God's "objective" reality than you could reason that by viewing God's reality your conscious mind translates this into your own "subjective" dream; possibly a dream that shows you something that you could not possibly have perceived without "subjectively" viewing God's "objective" reality.

so not only could you see your future, you could see your past, present, future, things that you probably couldn't even understand being only an outside "subjective" viewer.

just food for thought...


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OfflineCatalysis
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Re: ... blah blah blah [Re: zepphead]
    #626875 - 05/11/02 03:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

My answer depends what you mean by "predict the future".

Sure, it is possible that a wise man with much knowledge about the world could dream, and in this dream he could gain intuitive subconcious insight into events yet to come. I dont, however, think that humans possess some inate, supernatural power to predict the future in high detail.
I was also wondering; what "God" are you referring to?


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Re: ... blah blah blah [Re: zepphead]
    #626878 - 05/11/02 03:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I do not think God would perceive time. To a being that has always and will always be, there is no time. Only one moment of infinite possibility.


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Re: ... blah blah blah [Re: zepphead]
    #626905 - 05/11/02 03:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The native peoples such as the Australian Aboriginies with their DreamTime and and the American Indians with their connection to the Great Spirit were unable to perceive the future onslaught from white settlers.

Nor did the Aztecs and Mayans, through their usage of Teonanacatl, see their future demise at the hands of Spanish Conquistadors.

Your "theory" sounds like stoned ramblings and with no substance.


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Offlinezepphead
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Re: ... blah blah blah [Re: Swami]
    #626972 - 05/11/02 05:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i only questioned the possibility that this could happen.

whether or not the human mind has the capacity to experience such a thing is beyond me.

if God has no concept of time than how do we? or do we have none?

certain ancient civilization beleived that through certian dreaming meditation that this could be accomplished. even certain modern day practices believe that with total enlightenment comes precognition.

God is only used here as a label for a divine being. which you beleive in is your own preference.


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