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Use of mushrooms or salvia for spiritual exploration...
    #6266477 - 11/09/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I have never used either of these before but I plan on doing them both eventually and hopefully soon. I have heard people using these to help explore themselves spiritually but I have no idea how to. Can anyone recommend a method or website that can teach me a traditional (or good in general) way of using them for spiritual purposes? Thanks in advance to everyone that helps.


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Re: Use of mushrooms or salvia for spiritual exploration... [Re: garfixas]
    #6267020 - 11/09/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)


http://www.maps.org/wwpe_vid/ :mushroom2:

MAPS' first educational video, a practical introduction to the principles of psychedelic therapy, is now available for viewing online. This 20-minute educational video teaches psychedelic drug users how to minimize psychological risks and explore the therapeutic applications of psychedelics. Narrated by Donna Dryer, M.D., the video demonstrates examples of when and how to help a friend, peer, or loved one make the most out of a difficult experience with psychedelics.


From Redtailedhawk.


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Re: Use of mushrooms or salvia for spiritual exploration... [Re: garfixas]
    #6267173 - 11/09/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Read beforehand, dark room, soft music, dose, close eyes and wait, let go. :smile:


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Re: Use of mushrooms or salvia for spiritual exploration... [Re: garfixas]
    #6267540 - 11/09/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

here's an interview that talks about it some, and here is a quote.

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/alpert.html



ALPERT: I still find chemicals useful to me in different ways. I've been working with a chemical that is not on any list. It doesn't exist yet. I was in therapy this winter and my therapist gave it to me and it was a chemical that allowed me, really, to look at a lot of my personality psychodynamics from a more impersonal-space. And it was extremely useful to me.

I have found that every year or so to take something like LSD reminds me of what I forgot. There are certain kinds of toxicities that build up just from being part of a culture that are certain kinds of lock-ins or blinders that you oppose. And you take it like a physic and it just kind of cleans all the cobwebs away and "Oh, wow, I forgot that."

I don't feel an urgency to take it or an attachment to take it. Sometimes I don't even particularly want to take it. My guru's instructions to me were "If you're in a cool place and you're feeling much peace and your mind is turned towards God and you're alone, it could be useful." And I found that under those conditions, it is useful. I've taken it in other conditions and they've been a mixed bag. Sometimes it helps and sometimes not.

Now the milder psychedelics--hash and marijuana and stuff like that--I use off and on. I find, again, a mixed effect. I find that they, at times, will override certain kinds of inhibitory mechanisms in me and allow my mind to flow more freely and other times they will exacerbate my paranoia. Because a mild psychedelic isn't strong enough to override whatever is an existing pattern. So if you're in a really good space it'll take you into a better space; if you're in a bad space, it'll take you into a worse space. Powerful psychedelics do something else--they override no matter what. I mean I've taken intravenous LSD that didn't give a damn what state I was in, it just took me beyond it so fast there wasn't even a moment. You were just on the elevator going up to the Trade Building in New York and it was like--zap! It was out there.

But gentle psychedelics don't do that and Often I make the mistake, I still make the mistake, of being in a bad space and thinking that if I take a mild psychedelic, I can override it. And actually, all it does is exacerbate it, just makes it worse.

But the amount of psychedelics I use now to intensify sensual experience...unless somebody else initiates it, I don't do it. I'm still social enough that if somebody hands me a joint I'll smoke it, but I don't initiate it unless I really need to use it for something about my consciousness. I don't sit around my room smoking, in other words."


in mexico, they traditionally don't have sex for a few days afterwards the trip... i don't know more than that.

if you appreciate that the spiritual experience is inside then you should take the substance in an environment where you can be free inside. for example that's why i think it could be good to be alone because being around other people can sometimes be a real drag when you are tripping because you are on a different level than that other person. my best experience was in my room at night when everyone else was asleep so i could "go deep" inside. make sure you are well hydrated beforehand and keep the temperature low or you can get sick from sweating so much and forgetting to drink.

just do what feels right


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Re: Use of mushrooms or salvia for spiritual exploration... [Re: sleepy]
    #6267550 - 11/09/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i'd say no music it just distracts you, its just noise afterall


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Re: Use of mushrooms or salvia for spiritual exploration... [Re: sleepy]
    #6267562 - 11/10/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

that is if you listen to it. the higher you get you won't hear the music anyways. my 2cents


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