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AreteVeteran
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A Few N00bish Questions
#6266735 - 11/09/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am a complete N00b to this forum, but for the past 2 weeks, I have been wondering somethings about cultivating mushrooms. I have read the FAQ--its great btw--but there are a few things i cannot find, that i would like to know.
1. I can aquire 2 types of Kerr 1/2 pint mason jars, one is 'wide mouth' and is more squat, and the other is just a normal mason jar. I have given it some thought, and it seems to me that the 'wide mouth' jar would yeild a lesser harvest because while the flat top and bottom have more surface area than a normal jar, the bottom would be agaist the fruiting chamber and there is not much SA on the sides. Am I correct in this assumption? and if so, does this even matter. What is everyone elses preference on the matter?
2. I know that you can mix Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) into the water you use to soak your perlite--in the fruiting chamber--so it is ~0.5% H2O2, and this will help reduce contamination risks, but is it also possible to use a 0.5% H2O2 solution when you are first preparing your PF cakes? Will this have any negative effects on the mushrooms, or any positive effect against contamination? I have seen one thread warning against this, but it was one poster giving the warning, and there was not a discussion.
3. A friend of mine is purchasing a 'cube' strain to grow using the PF-Tek, and he wonders, for a beginner, what is the best strain? He was leaning towards a Puerto Rican, or a Brazilian, but since neither of us are experienced, I seek your opinion. The 3 traits hes looking for are: -Contamination Resistance -Mycelium Growth Rate -Resilience
Thankyou for any help,
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6266744 - 11/09/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. widemouth...how are you gonna get the cake out if the lid is tapered...
unless your using grain of course..then get any jar size you want
2. dont use h202 in the making of your substrate...your sterilizing it after you mix it up anyways.
3. i say go with south americans
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6266757 - 11/09/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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AreteVeteran said: I am a complete N00b to this forum, but for the past 2 weeks, I have been wondering somethings about cultivating mushrooms. I have read the FAQ--its great btw--but there are a few things i cannot find, that i would like to know.
1. I can aquire 2 types of Kerr 1/2 pint mason jars, one is 'wide mouth' and is more squat, and the other is just a normal mason jar. I have given it some thought, and it seems to me that the 'wide mouth' jar would yeild a lesser harvest because while the flat top and bottom have more surface area than a normal jar, the bottom would be agaist the fruiting chamber and there is not much SA on the sides. Am I correct in this assumption? and if so, does this even matter. What is everyone elses preference on the matter?my understanding is the wide mouths are prefered since they allow for the "birthing" of the cake. The other jars apparently do not allow the fully colonized cake to escape without the possibility of damaging it in the process.
2. I know that you can mix Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) into the water you use to soak your perlite--in the fruiting chamber--so it is ~0.5% H2O2, and this will help reduce contamination risks, but is it also possible to use a 0.5% H2O2 solution when you are first preparing your PF cakes? Will this have any negative effects on the mushrooms, or any positive effect against contamination? I have seen one thread warning against this, but it was one poster giving the warning, and there was not a discussion.I have not read about h2o2 in the cake mix, but have for the perlite - though contams in the FC are not as much of a concern - fully colonized cakes are quite resistant to contam.
3. A friend of mine is purchasing a 'cube' strain to grow using the PF-Tek, and he wonders, for a beginner, what is the best strain? He was leaning towards a Puerto Rican, or a Brazilian, but since neither of us are experienced, I seek your opinion. The 3 traits hes looking for are: -Contamination Resistance -Mycelium Growth Rate -Resilience don't know the answer to that, I was recommended to start with EQ....but the south american ones in general seems to be easier in some respects? I think?
Thankyou for any help,
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AreteVeteran
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: BIGSWANG]
#6266873 - 11/09/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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BIGSWANG said: 1. widemouth...how are you gonna get the cake out if the lid is tapered... 3. i say go with south americans
1. Its not tapered, they are both the same volume and without taper, its just they are different dimensions.
3. Why? I have heard it is a fast grower with eager mycelium and high yeilds, but I have heard this about the Brazillian too.
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6266880 - 11/09/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yangoon Burma Mothafucka! fastest and most contam resistant strain I've yet had the pleasure of working with. Just my 2 cents. I had Z-strain and YB going, and due to a PC failure, all my Zs contamed. the burmas were unfazed.
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AreteVeteran
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6266892 - 11/09/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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After looking at some info about the SA, they do seem nice, i'll tell my friend to consider, and thankyou for clearing up the widemouth/normal issue, i will trust in the forum and go with widemouth...
Oh and any opinions on the Koh Samui?
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AreteVeteran
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slissbox said: Yangoon Burma Mothafucka! fastest and most contam resistant strain I've yet had the pleasure of working with. Just my 2 cents. I had Z-strain and YB going, and due to a PC failure, all my Zs contamed. the burmas were unfazed.
Hmm, resisting contam is a huge plus for a noobie like me, and speed is always nice, I have a lot to think about, but thankyou everyone for all the help...
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UnderNose
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Don't say that about Z's, It was your technique not the strain of shroom. Z's were my first ever grow. Never even eaten a shroom let alone grown one.
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RalphstersSpores Z-Strain Very rizomorphic strain! Rizomorphic mycelium seems to isolate itself. Very aggressive colonizer. One of the fastest strains from inoculation to harvests I've seen. Prolific fruiter with little to no recovery time between flushes!
Hay AreteVeterango go to Spore Works or RalphstersSpores Have a read of the strains & their descriptions. I'm sure you'll find one you like that suits your requirements.
Your looking for
-Contamination Resistance -Mycelium Growth Rate -Resilience
What about Potency.?
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Edited by UnderNose (11/11/06 11:43 PM)
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AreteVeteran
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: UnderNose]
#6267019 - 11/09/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thankyou Undernose,
Ive been looking at Ralphsters, and Ive decided on the Burma - Yangoon.
I also have the Z, the Puerto Rican, The South American, and the Cambodian on my lists..
Potency is important, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of that for now. Why? A few reasons..
Right now i am just starting out and where i live there is a huge market for this. I don't have more than 100 dollars and so I am trying to succeed in getting a first crop. After i get more revenue from work i will start to branch out, but for now, i need something that is fast, resilient, and contamination resistant, so i can learn the skills for the next crop. If this one succeeds ill have made enough money by then to buy more spores, and ill have gained the experience to try less contam. resistant strains without failure.
Hope that explains it.
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Edited by AreteVeteran (11/09/06 09:17 PM)
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6267032 - 11/09/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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not supposed to sell mushrooms, it's not ethical
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6267035 - 11/09/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to always suggest Orissa India. Now I suggest Cambodian. They have very rhizomorphic mycelium and fairly large fruits. They are very very visual, as I learned last night. They are my new favorite
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AreteVeteran
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: lil_demented]
#6267127 - 11/09/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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He would never sell to a stranger, or someone he was not quite close with.
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6267150 - 11/09/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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i was just trying to help you out, check you pm's
Edited by lil_demented (11/09/06 09:17 PM)
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AreteVeteran
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: lil_demented]
#6267181 - 11/09/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thankyou
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6267343 - 11/09/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6267408 - 11/09/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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All this crap about this one being very contam resistent or this one being the fastest colonizier and so on and so on is just that , a BUNCH OF CRAP . We're dealing with genetics here . Everytime you inoculate something , unless from an isolate clone , you can't be sure what you're going to get . Making statements like this is like saying all blacks are NBA basketball players and all whites are doctors and lawyers . Just not so . On top of that throw in the fact that everyone's techniques and parameters are different and you throw another variable into the equation . Let's not even consider all the different subs peeps are using .
While some strains may show a tendency to produce larger fruits , it's not written in stone , if it were , everyone would be producing 200+ gram SA's
I am why isn't everybody else who is doing SA's?
Pick a strain that sounds good to you and give them the best conditions you can , and you'll get the best results that particular substrain can offer .
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AreteVeteran
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: HippieChick]
#6267513 - 11/09/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, it isnt like saying every black is a basketball player. Its more like saying that different human races are more suseptable to different sorts of diseases--for example, when Europeans brought small pox to Native Americans, their immune system couldnt handle it and many died. Or like saying different races have different traits. Just like with humans it doesnt happen everytime, but it is the norm. As you said we're dealing with genetics here, so a certain strain is going to continue to have different traits. Of course it isnt written in stone, but it usually does.
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: HippieChick]
#6267693 - 11/10/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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HippieChick said: All this crap about this one being very contam resistent or this one being the fastest colonizier and so on and so on is just that , a BUNCH OF CRAP . We're dealing with genetics here . Everytime you inoculate something , unless from an isolate clone , you can't be sure what you're going to get . Making statements like this is like saying all blacks are NBA basketball players and all whites are doctors and lawyers . Just not so . On top of that throw in the fact that everyone's techniques and parameters are different and you throw another variable into the equation . Let's not even consider all the different subs peeps are using .
While some strains may show a tendency to produce larger fruits , it's not written in stone , if it were , everyone would be producing 200+ gram SA's
I am why isn't everybody else who is doing SA's?
Pick a strain that sounds good to you and give them the best conditions you can , and you'll get the best results that particular substrain can offer .
i agree. If it's a cube and you give it a proper environment. It will do its' thing. Read strain descriptions and make a reasonable choice; and as far as strain goes you'll be fine. Any multi-spore innoc is going to have some variation.
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: AreteVeteran]
#6267802 - 11/10/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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AreteVeteran said: Actually, it isnt like saying every black is a basketball player. Its more like saying that different human races are more suseptable to different sorts of diseases--for example, when Europeans brought small pox to Native Americans, their immune system couldnt handle it and many died. Or like saying different races have different traits. Just like with humans it doesnt happen everytime, but it is the norm. As you said we're dealing with genetics here, so a certain strain is going to continue to have different traits. Of course it isnt written in stone, but it usually does.
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This sounds like a pretty good way to describe it,I do agree that as long as they are given what they need they will do the best they can but I don't believe for a second that one strains best doesn't blow a another strain out of the water
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AreteVeteran
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Re: A Few N00bish Questions [Re: Blutjager]
#6270833 - 11/11/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes indeed, I ordered a syringe of Burma-Yangoon today from Ralphsters. Sent the shit in the mail and everything. Has anyone used this sponsor? What did you think of them?
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