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OfflineTheLightIsOn
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issues with rye...
    #6256808 - 11/07/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

OK, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has major issues with RYE. Every single freaking time I use rye i do the 24 hour soak and then PC for 1 - 2 hours. I have given up on rye about 3 months ago and switched to Bird Seed. Ever since then I had ONE contam issue which was most likely provoked during inoculation.

I would love to observe the growth stages of mycelium on RYE but I'm having absolutely no luck.


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: TheLightIsOn]
    #6256820 - 11/07/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

when i use rye i soak for 36 hours and then pc for 1 hour and it comes fine every time


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: royer]
    #6256845 - 11/07/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

after a 36 hour soak, do you simmer for 45 minutes, or are the grains ready for PC after straining after soaking alone?

I want to avoid rupturing the grains, but also want to make sure to kill all endospores and have sufficient H2O content.

Sorry if this is a redundant (answered somewhere else) question. 36 hours just seems like a long soak.

Also, when you say, "every time", how many times are you talking about?

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Re: issues with rye... [Re: MotorCityMadman]
    #6256853 - 11/07/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i just soak


with bird seed i soak for 24 hour and then simmer for 45 then pc for 1 hour but i just soak with rye then pc.


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: MotorCityMadman]
    #6256859 - 11/07/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i use rye with all my grows....
every time i do the exact same thing
soak for 24 hours
rinse well
simmer for 45 minutes
rinse well
let dry for 20 mins in strainer until no drops come out from the bottom of the strainer when shakin
load jars
pc at 15 psi for 1 hour and 20 mins

works every time...and by every time..i mean to many times to count


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: royer]
    #6256861 - 11/07/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

im doing my first rye now. inoculated this morning. soaked for 12 hours and pc'ed for 1 hour. we'll see


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: labattboy69]
    #6256920 - 11/07/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Rye is the best spawn material bar none, and trust me I've tried them all. There is something wrong in your procedure. I've had one jar with contaminants in the last several thousand jars, and I'm sure that was just the random spore that made it through the flowhood filter.

Rinse first, then soak, boil, strain, and shake the collander until the surface of the grains are dry, then load into jars and PC at 15psi for 90 minutes.
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Re: issues with rye... [Re: labattboy69]
    #6256922 - 11/07/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

not all rye is created equal... some comes "dirtier" than others (has a higher bacterial endospore load present from the get-go)... while technically your soak and PC run should take care of things no matter what... try a different source of rye and see if your luck changes.


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: creamcorn]
    #6256969 - 11/07/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i soak 24 hours
simmer till a few start bursting, maybe 30 minutes or so
pc 1 hour at 18 psi(3300 elevation :undecided: )


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: creamcorn]
    #6256983 - 11/07/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

That's a good point. If the rye came from a feed store, it probably has fungicides in it, which means you can't grow from spores. You'd have to use liquid culture or agar wedges to inoculate.

I've found the endospores to be in the dust and chaff that rinse off easily as long as you rinse the rye berries prior to the soak. Of course, rinsing to remove the chaff and dust also prevents clumping of the grains later.
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Re: issues with rye... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6257125 - 11/07/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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That's a good point. If the rye came from a feed store, it probably has fungicides in it, which means you can't grow from spores. You'd have to use liquid culture or agar wedges to inoculate.

I've found the endospores to be in the dust and chaff that rinse off easily as long as you rinse the rye berries prior to the soak. Of course, rinsing to remove the chaff and dust also prevents clumping of the grains later.
RR






Yeah I use wheat and rye (been useing wheat mostly) from the feed store- but I spawn spores straight to the grains, and I haven't had a problem. Soak, simmer, STRAIN, PC, innoc and I have been 100% for a long time with jars.


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6257214 - 11/07/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Rye is the best spawn material bar none, and trust me I've tried them all.
RR




I couldn't agree more. Regardless of whether or not you have less inoculation points with rye when compared to WBS, the mycelium that is grown on rye is so much more robust and healthy looking. There's no comparison to the amount of white mycelium rye supports in comparison to WBS.

Also when spawning, it seems the mycelium needs less time to recover from the shock with rye. With WBS, I usually have to wait 2-3 days to see significant growth. With rye, I see it in a day or less. Just my 2 cents.


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: BIGSWANG]
    #6258379 - 11/07/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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BIGSWANG said:
i use rye with all my grows....
every time i do the exact same thing
soak for 24 hours
rinse well
simmer for 45 minutes
rinse well
let dry for 20 mins in strainer until no drops come out from the bottom of the strainer when shakin
load jars
pc at 15 psi for 1 hour and 20 mins

works every time...and by every time..i mean to many times to count



This in almost exactly what I do except I usually give a longer soak just to be safe,I have had hardly no problems with rye,Every now and then you may get a clump that is a little too wet at the bottom of the jar but as long as you added gypsum to the simmer water you can usually shake it into the rest when you remove them from the PC and all works out fine in the end :thumbup:


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Re: issues with rye... [Re: Blutjager]
    #6260393 - 11/08/06 02:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I still have a lot of rye left over. Once I figure out my casing issues i'll try rye again. I think my rye issues have to do with not rinsing my rye well before PCing.


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