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What technology do we lack?
    #6251248 - 11/05/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

what technology do you think would most benefit humanity? i think it would be space travel. if we have a huge fleet of galaxy cruisers, we would fight less wars because we'd be having so much fun in outerspace. seriously though, what parts of life on earth really need technological improvement the most/at all? is technological advancement slowing down, or is technology basically infinite and we will continue to make parabolic discoveries like we have for the past 100 years?

i think we should concentrate on making cars that last 100 years without breaking so we can use cars all we want without ruining the planet by making so many new ones all the time.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6251299 - 11/05/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Fusion.

When/if it's perfected and made commercially viable, a big chunk of the world's problems will vanish. I think the hope of the human race hinges on developing this technology before we kill ourselves off.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Diploid]
    #6251517 - 11/05/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

We need more Heath, Eco, Space,AG/HORT and Food safety technology.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6251596 - 11/05/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

technology caused those problems. i don't think there is any way technology can help solve them except by becoming simpler


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6251642 - 11/05/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

There is a solution to a HUGE part of the problem.  It is called EM, or Effective Microorganisms.  It has already reformed a large part of Japan's Agricultural, waste/sewage management as well as cleaned up massive amounts of pollution in water and the soil.  I just finished the book "An Earth Saving Revolution" by Teruo Higa.  It is the single most amazing piece of literature I've read.  If you guys want to honestly read a book with a real solution to many environmental problems we are facing, read this book.  Please read it for the sake of mama Gaia!

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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6252505 - 11/06/06 05:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

From a consumer standpoint, better, higher density batteries! That's what is holding back the continued miniaturization and advancement of portable electronics. Look for that market to stagnate if we can't find a better alternative to lithium ion within the next decade or two. And I hope it's something rechargeable, not fuel cells! But I'll take what I can get.

From humanity's standpoint, I dunno... technology has already given us stuff like malaria vaccines and desalinization plants, I'd say what we need most is an empathy serum so the people who need these resources actually get them.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Ythan]
    #6252654 - 11/06/06 06:54 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> From a consumer standpoint, better, higher density batteries!

Fuel cells are just around the corner.

> And I hope it's something rechargeable, not fuel cells!

What is wrong with fuel cells? Immediately recharged by injecting more fuel. I would love to be able to recharge my cell phone in a few seconds by adding more butane.

> When/if it's perfected and made commercially viable, a big chunk of the world's problems will vanish.

A whole lot of very wealthy people will have their security blanket snapped out from under them overnight.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Ythan]
    #6252662 - 11/06/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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From a consumer standpoint, better, higher density batteries! That's what is holding back the continued miniaturization and advancement of portable electronics. Look for that market to stagnate if we can't find a better alternative to lithium ion within the next decade or two. And I hope it's something rechargeable, not fuel cells! But I'll take what I can get.




Nanotech! Ultra capacitor batteries.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/5192/

Nanotech could to great things for us.
But most pressing is a good clean energy source like fusion as Diploid said. Too bad fusion is always 50 years away. I think there should be an Apollo or Manhattan style project for fusion. Just loads of money and brilliant scientists could bring fusion a lot closer.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Seuss]
    #6252674 - 11/06/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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What is wrong with fuel cells? Immediately recharged by injecting more fuel. I would love to be able to recharge my cell phone in a few seconds by adding more butane.




Yeah, if it works out that way then I agree with you. But I fear a market like inkjet cartridges only worse - hundreds of proprietary models, ridiculous markup, and encryption thrown in on the firmware to make refill kits violate the DMCA. I hope your vision of the future is more accurate!

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Nanotech! Ultra capacitor batteries.




Yep I actually saw that article too. Exciting stuff! Although it sounds like practical applications may be a ways off. But I wish them the best of luck.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Diploid]
    #6252834 - 11/06/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Fusion.

When/if it's perfected and made commercially viable, a big chunk of the world's problems will vanish. I think the hope of the human race hinges on developing this technology before we kill ourselves off.





Definitely!

A large part of the workforce that serves man comes from oil, gas and coal which greatly pollute the enviroment.

Fusion promises virtually clean energy which can be considered to be inexhaustible; it's primary fuel, Deuterium, is a component of terrestrial water, and part of the atmosphere of the Gas Giant planets.

When we go to the moon we get rewarded by the most energetic fusion fuel component of them all, Helium-3, and further away the gas giants store energy reserves beyond our wildest dreams.

God clearly laid out a trail of breadcrumbs to lure us into space.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Asante]
    #6253358 - 11/06/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

We can come up with more ways to kill each other. But, we don't have as many ways to heal each other.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Brainiac]
    #6253694 - 11/06/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't the moon contain Hydrogen-3, as opposed to Helium-3? H3 is supposed to be a wonderful fuel for nuclear reactors, we just need to figure out a way to sift it out of the moon's dust.

Back to the question, I think we need a better way to produce nutritious food and lots of it. For God's sake millions of people are still starving to death on this planet, and probably all of us are lacking a nutritious diet that would help with some of our health problems. I like the idea of developing EM's for human consumption personally, or something else that can fit that bill. It drives me crazy to see us spending billions of dollars on space exploration and such while people are starving. How can anyone justify that??


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: phalcon005]
    #6253814 - 11/06/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Doesn't the moon contain Hydrogen-3, as opposed to Helium-3?





Nope, Helium-3 :smile:

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I think we need a better way to produce nutritious food and lots of it.




I disagree. We already produce far more foodstuffs than the world population can eat (something like 5.000 kcal/person/day, over twice our needs) but we in the first wold waste it on such a horrible scale that shortages exist in the third world.

There's enough for everyone - we're just not sharing and worse still take far more from the third world than we give in aid.

If clean energy is abundant, you could put an entire nation under HPS lamps to grow supercrops, so that's another possibility if we solve the primary energy problem.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Asante]
    #6256428 - 11/07/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> Nope, Helium-3

Helium-3 it is... and lots of it... around one million tons (valued around $4 billion per ton in terms of energy cost from oil).


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6256468 - 11/07/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think we need more doomsday technology.

You can never go wrong with a doomsday device.

Well, I suppose you can... in fact, horribly so... but I stand by my claim that I have the right to own a device which can cleave the globe in half.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6256571 - 11/07/06 06:47 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

You know in movies, where they hook a bunch of electrodes to a dude's head and can then watch his thoughts and dreams on a TV.

When are we gonna get that?


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6256681 - 11/07/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Free energy.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: ProoN]
    #6256699 - 11/07/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Free energy ~= Fusion


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Konnrade]
    #6257058 - 11/07/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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I think we need more doomsday technology.
You can never go wrong with a doomsday device.





Build a 10 gigaton hydrogen bomb (this is a building structure, it doesn't have to go anywhere) and cover it from all sides with bags of Cobalt(II)iodide.

The explosion will create a huge neutron flux, this will turn the CoI2 into highly radioactive Cobalt and Iodine which in a column of hot fallout will be taken tens of kilometers into the atmosphere, and will rain down across the earth. The Cobalt and Iodine will be readily assimilated by organisms, accumulating in and specifically destroying thyroids and neurons. Radioactivity will be intense for several hundred years.

Basically, the original Doomsday Device of the Dr Strangelove movie. It can be real, and like the movie alleges: "is in the realm of capabilities of even the smallest nuclear power".


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Asante]
    #6257405 - 11/07/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i think free energy is pretty limited. i mean, what do we need it for? even if we stopped using electricity totally, we would still have alcohol, weed, houses...etc i mean it has totally affected us greatly... we use it alot... but what has it really done to benefit us?


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6257413 - 11/07/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

besides the internet


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6257666 - 11/07/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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but what has it really done to benefit us?




Something as trivial as the Industrial Revolution. Seriously, you'd be chasing a goat for its milk now if we hadn't borrowed our society from fossile fuels. The departure from renewable energy in the early 1800s ushered in an era of unprecedented growth for a large segment of the world population.

Let me return the question: what would happen if you took non-renewable primary energy away? Billions would die, that's what!

How about your washing machine and vacuum cleaner? Thats five hours of manual labor in your household right there. Oops, there goes the fridge, the freezer and the electric oven! Looks like you got to shop daily because food doesn't keep anymore. And on foot, because your car is gone too. Nobody can call you and you can't put on radio or TV, so you'll hear Aunt E got ill only a week or two after she got better.

Remove all plastic items, because these are offsprings of the petrochemical industry. Oh and take away anything you own that is mass produced. Your shirt is linen, but the dye is petrochemical. Your father's medication would not exist too, so he'd throw an epileptic fit every other week because valerian root just isn't enough, and his false teeth are petrochemical too so he'll have to run his meals through the meat grinder and eat the puree with a spoon.

If you realize what Primary Energy does for us, you'll see that this really is the only thing separating 2006 society from 1506 society.

We need cheap high-yield solar power, and we need to master deuterium fusion. We need it both, the rest is just auxiliary energy, and solar power is far less important than lighting a Deuterium star here on earth.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Asante]
    #6257800 - 11/07/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

all these things have given free time, but now we are bored and kill the extra time. washing clothes doesn't take 5 hours when you only have one set.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Asante]
    #6257832 - 11/07/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

we should just do the work that we have to rather then let Oil do it for us. work is good for us, like most people believe. everyone says work is good but we don't really do it anymore. exercise, a feeling of power and accomplishment, plus you can make everything exactly how you want it. all your hashpipes can have awesome little carvings if you want because you went out and found the block of wood or shaped the clay and built a fire to make it hard. i'm not saying to do away with technology. isn't the best use of technology that which improves our life the most? if we were using technology to make us happy, then we should be 1000 times happier than those people before the industrial revolution because our technology is 1000 times better.

i can never speak for you, only myself, but i would feel like a King if i grew all my own food/shrooms/pot/ made hemp clothing, and built a comfortable little hobbit hole, or at least specialized in one area and trade for things that someone else had made by hand instead of buying a pair of boxer shorts that were made in a factory thousands of miles away with oil (and which are a little too big, and the smaller size is too small). thats all i need. we've made work easier but really now we spend most of our time creating work to do because work is good and all the necessary and fulfilling work is done by oil. not to say that everyone is unfulfilled, its just that we don't get fulfillment from work anymore, but from eachother, from talking, sex, etc. not good or bad, but i like feeling that my work is perfect


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6258311 - 11/07/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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i can never speak for you, only myself, but i would feel like a King if i grew all my own food/shrooms/pot/ made hemp clothing, and built a comfortable little hobbit hole





What if you need an MRI scan or a pacemaker?


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Asante]
    #6258372 - 11/07/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Or a computer, or wanted to communicate with a friend living a year's horse ride away, or even wanted to visit that friend? How will you keep all that food you grew from spoiling without refrigeration? What would you do, other than work your ass off 16 hours a day to keep from starving, for entertainment without movies, or CDs, or radio?

Subsistence living is a quaint thing to take a two week vacation in the wilderness somewhere doing, but there's a reason technology was invented: because people 500 years ago lived miserable lives of nothing but darkness and subsistence backbreaking hard work, and death from diseases we cure today with a single pill. :rolleyes:


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6258375 - 11/07/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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all these things have given free time, but now we are bored and kill the extra time.




Free time is the best invention since sliced bread! It's when you can do everything you want and are not forced to find food or protect yourself. Some people kill it, but free time is the last thing I want to loose.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6258724 - 11/07/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Yar, but the general public can't use fusion to their advantage as of yet, and I doubt we'll be able to anytime in the ~mildly~ near future.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: ProoN]
    #6259061 - 11/07/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

you all are talking like addicts.  every addiction can be beaten, and is a means to an end.  we just could change the means, that's all i mean.  heh  :smirk: we USED to be content without dvds... what happened?  maybe when i make my farm and have a house, beer, weed, food, and tons of free time, i wont be happy, but maybe not.  and i will have free time.
http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC14/Fukuoka.htm

we can be smart.  i know how to live comfortably on 20 hrs a week with many luxuries like spices and plenty of good food


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Asante]
    #6259255 - 11/07/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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I think we need more doomsday technology.
You can never go wrong with a doomsday device.





Build a 10 gigaton hydrogen bomb (this is a building structure, it doesn't have to go anywhere) and cover it from all sides with bags of Cobalt(II)iodide.

The explosion will create a huge neutron flux, this will turn the CoI2 into highly radioactive Cobalt and Iodine which in a column of hot fallout will be taken tens of kilometers into the atmosphere, and will rain down across the earth. The Cobalt and Iodine will be readily assimilated by organisms, accumulating in and specifically destroying thyroids and neurons. Radioactivity will be intense for several hundred years.

Basically, the original Doomsday Device of the Dr Strangelove movie. It can be real, and like the movie alleges: "is in the realm of capabilities of even the smallest nuclear power".




Delightful!

But I'd much rather just blow the planet to peices. I don't want to take any chances about people escaping the doom.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6259297 - 11/07/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i know how to live comfortably on 20 hrs a week with many luxuries like spices and plenty of good food

Do you have ANY idea how many acres of land you'd have to plow, sow, and harvest by hand to feed ONE person for a year without technology?


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6259387 - 11/07/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I'm with Diploid on this. Fusion FTW!


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Silversoul]
    #6259410 - 11/07/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

:sunny:  :discodance:  :trippycow:  :blueangel:  :kott:  :jester:  :irish:

not sure but i'm really digging this idea.  i'm sure technology would help.  maybe i'll set up solar powered TV and watch during the day!


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    #6259470 - 11/07/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

just what is fusion anyway? we don't really need it. we can make everything we need now. the proof is in the pudding. 90% of the population does NOT make food, or make anything for that matter.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6260420 - 11/08/06 02:41 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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just what is fusion anyway? we don't really need it. we can make everything we need now. the proof is in the pudding. 90% of the population does NOT make food, or make anything for that matter.




And that lifestyle cannot be indefinitely maintained.

Our energy systems are based primarily on fuels that are used faster than they are replenished. It's not hard to see the problem with that. Eventually, things run out... and if we don't have a plan B, then we're stuck with a catastrophic energy shortage until we develop an alternative.

With fusion there lies an opportunity to make efficient use of fuels present in abundance all over the earth and all over the galaxy in order to produce significant amounts of energy.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6260890 - 11/08/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Your asking 90% of the people on earth to give up their life.

In 1800 there was just a billion humans on earth. There's 6.5 billion today.

That's the Industrial Revolution.


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    #6261705 - 11/08/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i'm not saying that at all. i'm just saying that most people don't work.

the argument is always that "to produce our own food is like going back to the dark ages and we would spend all our time just barely surviving"

when in fact about 2 percent (this is a statistic from memory, i can't find it on google) of the population in the US works on farms. then you have the people to ship it, but the total is probably under 10 percent that makes food for 100 percent.

just what is your life? "you are not your job" -fight club

i dont know if that is true. i also don't know what i am trying to say except that Oil does all our work for us and is killing us like a bad habit. why couldn't you have a good life on a farm? i'm honestly asking, what is the difference? what do you do for work? office buildings are full of people doing various things and interacting with eachother- same as on a farm. and living without oil would not be difficult physically, it just requires intelligence and the use of the mind to be smart about our work, instead of thinking about ourselves all the time, or whatever you all think about. working together cooperatively, we really don't know how it would be, because it's never been tried before. i think it would be about 20hrs/week


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6261785 - 11/08/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Ugh, sleepy although I do approve of your simplistic outlook the fact of the matter is we've come to expect a certain standard of living.

Going back in time in regards to how we live does not equate to happier people or less polution/enviromental destruction. Fact of the matter is huge farms ARE good at doing what they do and a single person cannot compete with that efficiency. If we all were to start farming/hunting for our own needs we'd end up destroying more land in the long run.


And I doubt you have any experience working on a farm for that matter. you make it seem all very idealistic, like with only a few hours a day of work we could supply our own needs? Work on a small farm for awhile without a tractor or iron tools and tell me how many hours a day you work. It's from sun-up to sun-down.



If you want to foresake technology yourself go for it. Those are your views and I have no problem with them. But for myself, and maybe a few others, I agree with diploid--we need a good source of energy.

Oil is a great energy storage medium but it is creating global problems. The unfortunate part is we need it for more than just energy needs we also use it as a component for manufacturing plastics, etc. So as a society we're addicted to oil. Solving this problem isn't going to be as simple as finding a new energy source.


We all have an expected standard of living and solving our pollution problem doesn't have to change those standards. I like having push button heat and a computer.

Ahhh I'm just ranting. We'll solve this problem! We just need the public to push for it more and put pressure on the government and big business. Simple fact of the matter is change costs and it's not 'feasible' for most people pay to convert their car to 'eco friendly love fuel'.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6264064 - 11/09/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

1) The ability to filter out estrogen and pharmaceuticals from out of our drinking water.
2) Deep space travel.
3) Telescopes capable of visually finding planets in other solar systems.
4) Genetically modified plants that can adapt to harsh climates (I.E. food for Africa, although GM plants have a ton of political resistance from Europe).
5) The ability to "create" water inexpensively and easily (pending there is plenty of H and O).
6) Something to help fix the holes in the ozone layer.
7) "Helpful" viruses that are programmed by humans to attack cancerous cells (we are getting there).

There are many more, I just can't think of them at the moment.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6264936 - 11/09/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well, we're now on the cusp of some very interesting technologies.

Nano-tubes will revolutionize everything from plastics to cancer treatments. But they're still in their infancy, even though there have been some exciting advancements in the field already.

Also, fusion is a long way off from being viable, if it can ever be. For near term large-scale energy needs what we need is a better general understanding of nuclear reactors, not the "OMG ATOMS!" reaction you get from most people. The modern pebble-bed reactor is literally incapable of critical failure, and with thorium reactors right on the horizon what little waste is produced can be turned right back into fuel.

But as far as the technologies that I think we're missing? I have to agree wholeheartedly with Ythan on the batteries. We definitely need improvements in portable energy storage. That along with more efficient electric motors would be a huge step towards cutting back on fossil fuel consumption.


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    #6265706 - 11/09/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> That along with more efficient electric motors

Back in the early 90's, I was working with brushless DC motors that were getting 95% to 98% efficiency, including the controller losses. How efficient do you want?


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    #6265885 - 11/09/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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> That along with more efficient electric motors

Back in the early 90's, I was working with brushless DC motors that were getting 95% to 98% efficiency, including the controller losses. How efficient do you want?




101%! Perpetual motion here we come!

Nah, I just didn't write clear enough, allow me to clarify my meaning. More powerful, and with less energy consumption. Basically motors that run longer on less power, not that I'm sure there's much they can do in that regard. Just something to make electric cars more appealing to the general public. But to be honest the thought that there are some already that run at up to 98% efficiency hadn't crossed my mind.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6267142 - 11/09/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

what technology do you think would most benefit humanity?

Posthumans.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Charles]
    #6267706 - 11/10/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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> That along with more efficient electric motors

Back in the early 90's, I was working with brushless DC motors that were getting 95% to 98% efficiency, including the controller losses. How efficient do you want?




101%! Perpetual motion here we come!

Nah, I just didn't write clear enough, allow me to clarify my meaning. More powerful, and with less energy consumption. Basically motors that run longer on less power, not that I'm sure there's much they can do in that regard. Just something to make electric cars more appealing to the general public. But to be honest the thought that there are some already that run at up to 98% efficiency hadn't crossed my mind.




Running longer on less power would relate back to that percentage that seuss was speaking of. That percentage is a comparison of energy input and energy output... if you made them run longer on less power, that number would have to increase.

Now, manufacturing techniques to make those efficient motors more affordable... that would seem to be a more logical direction for research.


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: sleepy]
    #6269589 - 11/10/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

sleepy,

i grew up on a farm. while i was very happy, it was by no means easy. if you think you will spend less than 50 hours a week working, you are crazy. and i mean work that hurts your back and ages you fast. right now is the best time of the year to be on a farm. the harvest are in and the only thing to do is mend rooves, fences, and get the animals ready to survive winter. right now is the time you are canning your veggies and drying your meats.

free time is the gift of the modern age. free time = art and thought. and, to me, creation and art are one of the things that makes life worthwhile.

today's world isnt a place where you can live the way you want to live. say you get the land needed to feed and raise a family working completely off the land... how will you pay your property taxes?


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Re: What technology do we lack? [Re: Blek]
    #8306599 - 04/19/08 11:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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There is a solution to a HUGE part of the problem.  It is called EM, or Effective Microorganisms.  It has already reformed a large part of Japan's Agricultural, waste/sewage management as well as cleaned up massive amounts of pollution in water and the soil.  I just finished the book "An Earth Saving Revolution" by Teruo Higa.  It is the single most amazing piece of literature I've read.  If you guys want to honestly read a book with a real solution to many environmental problems we are facing, read this book.  Please read it for the sake of mama Gaia!

Peace.

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This is the only instance i can find EM being mentioned on the shroomery, kinda crazy, hopefully more people get turned onto EM.

Seems like it could have huge potential for us shroomers.

Peace


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