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Alprazolom
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First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) 1
#6235883 - 11/01/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dunked them for a little over 24 hours, rolled them in verm and then put them over foil over 2-3" of moist perlite. Stuck two pieces of saran wrap over them and now I give them 12 hours of light a day and fan (then mist indirectly w/ H2O2) about 5 times a day. I only started this 2-3 days ago.
Edit: Strain is Chitwan and EQ. I do not know which cake is which, unfortunately. Can anybody tell? I'd guess the 2nd harvest is EQ.
Temp is about 65-70F constant. I fanned a lot. Maybe 5 times a day.
How are they looking?
UPDATE 11/01/06:

UPDATE 11/06/06:

One cake seems to be growing faster than the other. The cake on the right seems to be getting puffy from side opposite the one you see in the pic.
UPDATE 11/13/06:

PINS! This is only one cake though. The other cake is a little fluffier than before, but so far shows no signs of pins.
UPDATE 11/15/06:

Fruit! and other cake is pinning. What's wrong with the cap on some of the fruitbodies? It's going upwards revealing the gills.
UPDATE 11/15/06 (about 20 hours later):

UPDATE 11/16/06:

I harvested ~60g wet from one cake. I had zero aborts. I accidentally knocked off a few pins while picking the smaller mushrooms.
The two big mushrooms were about 10g each without their caps. I am printing the caps, but a lot of the spores fell off in the terrarium, so I might have been too late.
I also cloned the two mushrooms into a solution of Karo/distilled water (1/2 pint jars, 96g water, 3-5g Karo, a marble and Durapore tape over the inoculation holes (will get micropore take soon, my CVS only has Durapore tape which AFAIK is not gas permeable. I actually did not know this and I think this is why colonization took so long (about a month). I was using Durapore the whole time.
Printing and cloning was done in a tiny still-air glove box.
I have some casings in the greenhouse but I'm having trouble controlling the humidity (using a cool mist V400 inside the GH) because I have no timer. I turn it on for 10-15 mins every hour. Temp is around ~71F - ~75F depending on the light being off or on, respectively.
Oh and for anyone wondering, I used hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) in the perlite and in my mister. I didn't use any exact amount, I just poured some in.
UPDATE 11/19/06:
The first cake was dunked and rolled in verm. This is the 2nd cake. I harvested 40g wet from it. I am surprised because it took a hell of a long time to pin!
I am going to clone the tissue in the bag, in the last pic. I am very busy right now so I just broke it off, bagged it and stuck it in the freezer. Hopefully I'll have time to do that tomorrow. I wish I would have taken prints. I kept some mushrooms on the cake, so if any of those bloom, that's what I'll do.
People, please stop bashing the PF Tek. These aren't pictures of a poo cake. I just followed the basic PF tek. A pressure cooker is not even needed and the harvest is fine for personal use.
Anyway, these will probably be the only two cakes I make. All of my casings are pinning and I am doing research on agar work for my future projects.
Tips for anyone starting out: * Don't freak out, PF tek is really easy and forgiving.
* It's important that you follow the teks EXACTLY. No substitution at all unless you've done enough research (I've been reading the Shroomery daily for 2 months now, and I'm still a newb.)
* I really neglected these cakes. Temps fluctuated a lot during the entire process. I had standing water on the cakes and sprayed the cakes directly. I also handled the cakes with my hands sometimes and I always fanned the cakes right near my cat, house plants, etc.. I'm not saying you should do any of these! but you should not freak out or lose hope if you accidentally touched the cake, or think it wasn't 100% colonized before birthing, etc.
* I had so many worries, and did so many stupid things. I remember I accidentally bumped my terrarium and one cake rolled around in perlite. Also the cakes almost always had standing water on them (BAD! Don't allow that).
Patience is needed. I didn't see pins for 10-11 days! Good luck!
Mushrooms are now in front of a fan set on high. Temp is around 65-70F. All in all, I'm satisfied. Thanks for all the help guys and gals When I learn more I'll be able to give something back to the community.
Can an admin please move this to the Grow Log & Pictures forum? Thanks. It is not done. I will update this post about the next flushes and the 2nd cake.
Edited by Alprazolom (11/18/06 10:11 PM)
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: Alprazolom]
#6235894 - 11/01/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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they look about like 2 days away to me
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: lil_demented]
#6236446 - 11/01/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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ehh... i'd say 6-8 days away... they haven't even started fluffing up yet... be patient and keep up your parameters.
did you say you're misting them with straight hydrogen peroxide? don't do that. if anything, dilute it so its 1 part h2o2 (3%) to 9 parts water... that's what some do, but i'd consider even that useless. use normal water. save the peroxide (especially straight peroxide) for if you have cobweb mold problems.
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: creamcorn]
#6236517 - 11/01/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I saw this one spot, that looked green, on your middle pic, so i zoomed in good with photoshop and pretty sure it's not verm reflecting. I circled it. Maybe trich?
but if it's not, your not far away!
GL!
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Alprazolom
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: jeetered] 1
#6236729 - 11/01/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I put a few cap-fulls of H2O2 in the perlite when I was soaking it, and I spray with a diluted solution. I just eyeballed it though, I didn't measure out a ratio.
About that little green spot. I have no clue what it is but I noticed it right away in the pics. I washed tweezers with anti-bacterial soap and quickly and as efficiently as I can (that's not saying much!), took it off to examine it. Here is some info about it:
It came right off the cake.
It had no interesting smell but it's tiny so I wouldn't expect it to.
It was very hard and it rubbed off a reflective color and it, itself was reflective on some surfaces.
It feels like a little piece of vermiculite.
It was basically a green tinted "rock", wasn't so much a mold or mycelium. If it was just vermiculite I don't know why it was greenish?..
There are droplets on the top of each cake. I guess it's due to humidity but my paranoia tells me it might be trich about to sporulate.
Is it possible to tell the difference between trich and just tiny water drops on top of mycelium? I have a magnifying glass and can see the tops very clearly, but I don't know what to look for.
I guess we're just going to wait and see.
How likely am I to get a contaminant now? If there's a pool of water on my cakes and a trich spore comes in during fanning, lands on the pool of water and germinates, I'm in trouble?
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: Alprazolom]
#6244864 - 11/03/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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heh it could have been verm i guess. Next time, use a qtip to wipe at it, if the green comes off on the qtip, it's trich. If not, it's verm/bruising etc.
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: jeetered]
#6245282 - 11/03/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think there should be water pooling on your cakes. Put in a drip shield, and don't spray your cakes directly.
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: chickenmaster]
#6245701 - 11/04/06 12:34 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: Blutjager]
#6245710 - 11/04/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Blutjager said: Pf=
ROFLMFAO!
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Alprazolom
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: kinrui]
#6254661 - 11/06/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is an update:

One cake seems to be growing faster than the other. The cake on the right seems to be getting puffy from side opposite the one you see in the pic.
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: Alprazolom]
#6254713 - 11/06/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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so if I'm calculating correct, they've been in ur FC for 5 days? I think you got it going....congrats....good luck going forward
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? [Re: Alprazolom]
#6254745 - 11/06/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alprazolom said: One cake seems to be growing faster than the other. The cake on the right seems to be getting puffy from side opposite the one you see in the pic.
They look a bit too wet. Less spraying and MORE fanning. When you can see moisture standing in the crevices of the cake...it's too wet. 
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? (UPDATE: PINS! pics) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6277740 - 11/13/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Update. Added pics of the pins. Cakes were put into the terrarium on 10/31. They were neglected for the most part. I was shocked when I noticed the pin on the bottom (it was the first) 2 days ago.
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? (UPDATE: PINS! pics) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6279743 - 11/13/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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About 20 hours after that pic, the cake seems to have exploded with pins. They seem to be growing faster, too. Is Ecuador known as being a fast fruiter? It took a while to colonize, and a while to pin, but the pins seem to be growing fast, although I have nothing to compare all this data to because it's my first grow.
The other cake's jar wasn't labeled but I think it was Chitwan. That cake doesn't seem to have moved much.. should I inject it with water? What else can be causing this problem? It was getting fluffy but gradually slowed down, to what now seems to be a halt.
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Edited by Alprazolom (11/13/06 05:48 PM)
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Re: High resolution pics of my 2 cakes. Progress so far? (UPDATE: Fruitbodies! MORE PICS ADDED) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6285607 - 11/15/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Updated the parent thread! 
Edit: The mushrooms are going to touch the saran wrap covering the top of my tub. What should I do? Will the mushroom just start going in a different direction when it hits the top?
My main concern is that the saran wrap is wet due to the high humidity, and I don't want the mushroom cap (one now, in a few days hopefully the others will reach that height also) directly in contact with the wet saran wrap for a long time. I can't change the direction of the light.
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Edited by Alprazolom (11/15/06 11:05 AM)
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Re: First grow. Two cakes (EQ). (UPDATE 11/16: Harvested ~60g wet. Pics!) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6289451 - 11/16/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Harvested! Updated the parent post
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Re: First grow. Two cakes (EQ). (UPDATE 11/16: Harvested ~60g wet. Pics!) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6289470 - 11/16/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice work man! good first grow, afoaf pulled about the same amount of two cakes recently as well.... it's fun an exciting shit, huh?
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Re: First grow. Two cakes (EQ). (UPDATE 11/16: Harvested ~60g wet. Pics!) [Re: headieherbs]
#6289604 - 11/16/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it's really fun, especially when you see your first myc, your first pin, pick your first shroom, etc.
The other cake is way far behind. It might be Chitwan strain, I'm not really sure. The label fell off that jar -- Next time I'll write on the tyvek itself.
I'm a little worried about my spore prints. Am I supposed to see the spores under the cap? Under the cap the gills were 'clear', not dark. Oh well, I'll see how it goes.
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Re: First grow. Two cakes (EQ). (UPDATE 11/16: Harvested ~60g wet. Pics!) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6289656 - 11/16/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't worry, your prints will come out.
Congrats!
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6298217 - 11/18/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks, the prints did come out nice and dark.
Update! I harvested the 2nd cake today. I am a bit disappointed that I lost track of what strain is what on these two cakes. One is Chitwan and the other is Ecuador. Can anybody tell which is which?
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6298765 - 11/19/06 04:26 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty good yield from a couple of PF cakes.
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Cubeculture]
#6298811 - 11/19/06 05:59 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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great to see your first time worked out, props !
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: ohmatic]
#6298837 - 11/19/06 06:34 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, good job man!
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: FungusMan]
#6299077 - 11/19/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man those look really good for cakes. Good job.
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Shroomgobbler]
#6299094 - 11/19/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you may be referring to me when you ask who says pf tek sucks,Actually I would like to congratulate you as that is a pretty good yield from a few cakes and I'm not going to say anything bad or bash pf in your thread seeing as I already did my little pf suicide thingie up there,But just consider that I have pulled over an ounce DRY of one flush off one 16 quart sweater box casing with less work than you did with those cakes,One day you will do some casings as well and when you do you wont be looking back to cakes I guarantee,Either way nice grow,Enjoy
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Blutjager]
#6299137 - 11/19/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice grow...I failed miserably at pf cakes. Think i got 4 out of 12 to fruit and it took for ever. Too much time and work for this cat.
I am a cat BTW...meow!
Anyway, Blutjager is right though...casing is WAY fucking easier ,the yields are incredible and the cost is minimal.
Lets see, -8 cups of rye...$1.50 -brick of coir...$3.00 -2 cc MS amazons...$2.00
First flush:
Wheeeeeee!
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Edited by Helltick (11/19/06 01:15 PM)
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6299228 - 11/19/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who says PT tek sucks ?
Going by the results you've posted , YOU DO , lol 
You've harvested 60 wet from one , and 40 wet from another . While everyone is saying , Very nice for a cake and so on and so on , doesn't change the fact that a 1/4 cup of BRF weighs 52 grams . Multiply that by 2 because of 2 cakes and you get 104 grams of dry sub .
That means your first flushes , 100 grams wet , isn't even 100% BE . Casings can hit 200-250% with no problems .
You'd have to get 104 grams wet from each cake to approach 200% BE .
Don't take this the wrong way , YOU did GREAT , but even that doesn't change the fact from a BE point of view , PF cakes do , indeed , SUCK .
Throw on top of that how long they take to colonize and how long they take to pin and fruit , and they REALLY SUCK ,lol. 
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Blutjager]
#6299256 - 11/19/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not bashing all of you, nor am I bashing casings. In fact, I started off with PF tek only because I got interested in the hobby through stumbling upon the PF tek (had no idea about casings).
What happened was, I was all prepared to start, then when I began, I found out about casings and everyone was bashing PF tek. I felt like I wasted time/money. I mean, casings weren't overwhelming or anything, I do do my research.
I took all my cakes and spawned them to coir/hpoo and cased using 50/50++. I do have 5-6 trays of casing and loads of LC/rye/hpoo/wbs and an AA921 on hand. My casings are pinning nicely and I do not plan on doing pf tek again.
What happened was, I had two remaining cakes but no tub or time to case them so I said fuck it and threw them into a container w/ perlite and saran wrap. I fanned whenever I thought about it, once a day sometimes, other times 5-10 times a day.
I really neglected the cakes and that's what came up, so pf tek is pretty forgiving but I agree it's lots of work. The thing is that to case, people have to do loads of reading, and that's a turn off to the general person. PF tek is great because it brings ordinary people, who otherwise wouldn't have gotten into mycology or thought about growing, into the hobby.
Casings ARE easier but that's only after you've grasped the concept of them and read enough. I myself did, and I agree, casings blow away pf tek, but I think when people think about starting off using pf tek and come here, they read all these horror stories on it and quit, thinking "I knew it couldn't have been that easy!"
HippieChick: I agree, from a BE point of view, PF tek is horrible, but from a first timer who was worried constantly about contams and failure, to see mushrooms growing, is a HUGE achievement and an ego boost. There's nothing wrong with moving up the ladder to more advanced techniques. I'm just saying that people should start off however they feel comfortable, and not take into account what others say.
For example, mycology is my now #1 hobby. I spend ALL my time researching on how can I improve my technique, and find out what's new and what's experimental. This makes me feel content. I like reading, learning and improving, but for somebody else who has other hobbies and just wants some 'shrooms on the side, I think there's nothing wrong with pf tek if that person doesn't want to get deep into the hobby and read loads.
Anyway, all is good. I hope I didn't come off on the wrong side. I love all of you guys/gals, blutjager, helltick, a lot of people here, thanks for the help. 
Can an admin please move this to the Grow Log & pics forum?
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Edited by Alprazolom (11/19/06 12:16 PM)
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Alprazolom]
#6299284 - 11/19/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alprazolom said: For example, mycology is my now #1 hobby. I spend ALL my time researching on how can I improve my technique, and find out what's new and what's experimental. This makes me feel content. I like reading, learning and improving, but for somebody else who has other hobbies and just wants some 'shrooms on the side, I think there's nothing wrong with pf tek if that person doesn't want to get deep into the hobby and read loads.
I agree 100%. I am excited as shit for my PF cakes that I put in the FC 5 days ago. I wanted to start out with them knowing damn well they wouldn't grow to what casings would be. I just didn't think I could get as much knowledge or experience without the PF cakes. After all it had really showed me the value of patience, in which I didn't really have. At first I looked at those jars 3-4 times a day because I couldn't wait. I have calmed myself now and since 100% colonized I have done a G2G tranfer to Rye. And to my knowledge they are going great and without contams.
Thanks a lot for the post. It really gives me some more needed confidence and a realistic time frame. Growing mushrooms to me is almost as fun as playing music. I would have to say it is going to me one the most reqarding experience I have ever had.
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: HippieChick]
#6299355 - 11/19/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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HippieChick said: Who says PT tek sucks ?
Going by the results you've posted , YOU DO , lol 
You've harvested 60 wet from one , and 40 wet from another . While everyone is saying , Very nice for a cake and so on and so on , doesn't change the fact that a 1/4 cup of BRF weighs 52 grams . Multiply that by 2 because of 2 cakes and you get 104 grams of dry sub .
That means your first flushes , 100 grams wet , isn't even 100% BE . Casings can hit 200-250% with no problems .
You'd have to get 104 grams wet from each cake to approach 200% BE .
Don't take this the wrong way , YOU did GREAT , but even that doesn't change the fact from a BE point of view , PF cakes do , indeed , SUCK .
Throw on top of that how long they take to colonize and how long they take to pin and fruit , and they REALLY SUCK ,lol. 
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Damn, whats up with the noob bashing. Not everyone really even KNOWS what "BE" is, never-the-less even cares when doing their first grows. Is it too hard to remember the joys you got when you seen your first piddly ass pins? Most of the time, as a beginner, your proud if you have 5(!) pins. Look at it in another light. He STILL prolly got more for his money with his cakes, than he would have buying them off the street, not counting also the self pride of having grown them himself. Some people just need to be a little more humble in their advanced experience, step down off their pedistal that sits on top of their mountain of mushies, and just simply say...Hey, nice job!
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: FungusMan]
#6299364 - 11/19/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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She is just trying to help him...nothing more!
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Helltick]
#6299414 - 11/19/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Helltick said: She is just trying to help him...nothing more!
I'm not really trying to help anyone at the moment .
I never said cakes don't have a niche to fill . I started with cakes , 75 of them , and was excited as hell when I got my very first pins . I'd sit and watch them for hours . and learned a great deal 
Got a picture of 'em , wanna see , lol
I didn't bash him , I told him he did a great job . 
The post was " Who says PF cakes suck "
I . along with most others , Say they suck .
I'm just trying to explain why .
Based on yield , prep time , colonization time and fruit time ,, tell me what substrate sucks more then "PF" cakes ?
This contaminated ugly mess from hell

even out produced the best 3 cakes I ever did , lol .
Some cakes can actually produce great results , but not PF .
Even schwag weed has it's place , does that mean it doesn't suck ?
If it didn't suck , it wouldn't be schwag weed , lol . 
I was simply asked a question and am answering with facts . Can't help it if peeps don't like the answer 
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Edited by HippieChick (11/19/06 05:47 PM)
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Alprazolom]
#10836491 - 08/10/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have to ask man, new to growin, how did you do this, did you make your own substarte or did you buy some already in jars pre-steralized and how many cc's for each jar you usually use, they look good dude, thats why i ask?
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: shredder]
#10836562 - 08/10/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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this thread is old as fuck.
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: oh_you_know]
#10836670 - 08/10/09 11:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep probaly gonna be hard to get an answer from a thread that's over 2 years old...
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Re: First grow. Who says PF Tek sucks? PF PORN -- (UPDATE 11/19: 2nd harvest ~40g wet) [Re: Alprazolom]
#26935539 - 09/14/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This speaks to exactly where I’m at, 13 years later. Noob who read the original pf tek, and felt confident about the process, only to find, through researching steps that I had questions about, that the more I read, the more questions come up. I’m gonna stick with pf and see what happens.
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