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RoosterCogburn
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Re: First time grower.... [Re: feza4]
#6231550 - 10/31/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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My 2 cents...
I just started, and I chose to do the PF tek simply to learn the lifecycle of the shroom... And to actually see the stuff live and in person. It's easy as pie and you will almost certainly get shrooms... plus, you will learn patience.
Your sterile practices look good, too much maybe... But you seem very impatient. That will cancel out ALL sterile practices, as PATIENCE is very, VERY important. Excitement is fine, but it must be controlled.
It's REALLY exciting to see the myc growing for the first time, but you have to leave it alone!
Good Luck, and welcome!
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feza4
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My sterile techniques i know are over the edge but I dont feel like not doing something and THAT being the reason for any contam. My impatoence can def be contained... I just want to innoc. already. I have everything needed for the PK tek, but someone told me that for the effort id be putting in its not worth it. Maybe I'll do half the syringe on that way and then just save the syringe for another good casing method. I mean, It is possible to case with the PF tek method... itll just take much longer than I would want to wait....
just decided... Innoculating 6 PF jars tonight and then later on this week I'll wbs it. Probably a waste and not a good idea... but the show needs to get on the road... and the PF method will be a good lesson to me about the full life cycle of the mushroom.
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Re: First time grower.... [Re: feza4]
#6231729 - 10/31/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quake3
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Re: First time grower.... [Re: Mranderson]
#6231837 - 10/31/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have a pressure cooker, do use grain. If you already have all the materials for PF tek, you might as well do a few jars. It wouldn't hurt. After the jars colonize, just dunk them, put them in a ziplock bag and crumble them up, give them a day or two (or none) and then just spawn them to a bulk substrate. When they colonize, case them.
Instead of rye you can use wild bird seed, which doesn't fruit as good as rye, so it should be used as a spawn.
As for the glovebox, be careful. Don't cause an explosion by spraying Lysol and using alcohol everywhere right before you flame sterilize the needle.
If you want horse shit just check out Craigslist.
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feza4
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Re: First time grower.... [Re: Quake3]
#6231896 - 10/31/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea... thats basically everything I figured so thank you for confirming. When the cakes are crumbled is the spaning to bulk substrate an absolute neccessity or can i just case from there (probably will work with substantially smaller yields so would be pointless but just checking).
Thank you for the advice about the explosions that might occur... as that is something stupid I could do hahaha. I will be very careful about that though. Could cause some problems. I was thinking about horseshit but this is a first time grow so I'll keep it as simple as possible... although that in itself is an oxymoron.
Thanks alot for the info.
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CosmicFunGuy
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Re: First time grower.... [Re: feza4]
#6232238 - 10/31/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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you can just case a crumbled cake without spawning to anything. I think a cheap option and valuable too... would be make an LC with you're first bit of solution they are easy to make fast and it'll make your syringe worth 100x as much as it originally was. You can still inoculate your jars too. Once the LC has had some time to grow and your jars will have had time to colonize, you can crumble and case your cakes... casing seems fairly complicated to some. like with the 50/50+ casing people have troubles with ph or whatever. Why not try to order casing premade form a sponser, would make your first time way easy and premade casing is fairly cheap (16 dollars @ Mycopath , our other sponsers are great too... and they can all be reached here on the shroomery ). After you case you have to leave them be for a few days, so the mycellium can recover and poke through the casing layer. during this few day period, try this... get a clean syringe and needle... some rye (i have some if you can't find it, that i'll send free of charge if you pay shipping)... and quart jars. first day the casing is incubating soak the grain, second day simmer and pc, third day inoculate jars. After the jars are inoculated it might be a good time to peak in on ye olde casings.... and continue from there by watching them and fruiting when appropriate. By the time the casings are done fruiting, your first grain grow (second grow) will have been cased and on it way into fruiting ready to go in just a few days... go score some tyvek envelopes from the fedex or the the post office, or buy it if you'd like (its cheap as hell on ebay) for a filter on your rye jars.... and always remember don't touch unless you have too....
have a happy and safe halloween everybody...
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feza4
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Oh wow. Buying a sacing premade might be a good idea. Although being the first time I personally think I'd take more from the experience if I did it myself... even if the whole thing contamed it would be a good learning experience.
Right now I'm in the middle of PCing 3 PF jars with the grf and verm mix. After reading through the forums for many more hours than I should be (being dead center in the middle of midterms and all) I decided it's something that should be done, but I dont want to base my whole grow around it. Figured 3 jars would give me a good idea ofwhats happening with that. And with my cleanliness OCD I dont think contam will be a problem *knocks on wood*.
Along with these three jars I'm making a honey/water mix to innoc and hopefully grow some mycellum to use as mentioned by many of you. Found a good tek for it and just following it word for word. Going to go from this to a grain(not sure which one quiet yet) and spawn as large as I can. Figure I'll try every aspect of this shroomering from the get go and learn as much as possible.
Simmering with the cover on right now. Only about 30 minutes left on the PCing and both are going to sit there covered until after my 8am midterm. So figure innoc. at 10am. Got the room finally all cleaned and "sterile". Set it all up for the morning with the glove box and all set up waiting for me right where I need it. I plan to move the PC and the covered pot into the clean room all cooled down and spray the shit outa everything. While everything settles and cleans I'll take a nice hot shower, new cloths... gloves... hat... dusk mask... spray the shit of the outside room with the air cleener and sanitize the carpet outside with alcohol/water mix. Enter quickly and close the door. Open the pots... move everything into the glove box (where the syringe, lighter, and alcohol bottle with swabs will be happily waiting). and... well yea, from what i said you should be able to figure it all out. And then put the jars into my water heated tub. Theres only three yea.... but these three could be the first of dozens if not hundreds should it work out. The start to my Mushroom Era begins tomorrow and its looking brighter and brighter as it comes closer and closer...
or it could go horribly dissasterous and i either blow myself up the second i light the lighter or everything becomes contamed within the first week. In which case try number 2 comes around...
Rock on peoples and thank you for the advice up to now.
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feza4
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Re: First time grower.... [Re: feza4]
#6233588 - 10/31/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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just to ask cause ive been wondering. people say that after the PF cakes are spent you can bury them outside. I saw this tek that explained something along th elines of: -dig a hole -layer hpoo -crumble in lotta spent cakes -layer hpoo -layer soaked hay -layer mixed hpoo, hay, and crumbled cakes and cover with loose hay I know its very very very broad and vague but something along those lines. -And in due time mushrooms will grow in... dont know if this is true, but the reason of my asking is this. My location is curently undergoing the natural process that some people enjoy calling mid-fall, and soon it will be renamed as winter. If I should do this process within, lets say a month, when the first snow will have been down and it snows on top of this, when the spring and summer come around will I be able to look outside one random nice afternoon and see some mushrooms sitting in the corner of my yard. I'd have a peice of plywoood on top of it so its not like snow would be directly on top of it... but will the underground/underpoo substrate survive the winter blasts? My location gets mad cold.
Rock on pimps
p.s. sorry to keep bumping my own thread, figure better than making a whole new one for one question....
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