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 camel
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 Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... 
#623198 - 04/30/02 12:13 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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First off, before y'all think this isn't a vendor topic, it is. I posted a message along these lines in OTD under monkey's fairwell post but it got deleted DESPITE Thor PROMISING me that if i made such a post that it WOULDN'T get deleted (lack of trust).
Anyways, here is the reason why both vendors and servers involved with this site WILL get raided:
The vendors are selling spores, and at the same time coming to these boards and answering grow questions. They are selling the necessary precursors (ie: spores) and are giving the necessary info to manufacture illicit drugs. The vendors are both selling spores, and giving the info how to manufacture drugs to MANY MINORS here at this site. This is CONSPIRACY and it IS VERY ILLEGAL..
i dont know how any of you cant see this, as this is the reality of the situation. if a vendor gets raided, then they have all the addresses of those purchasing spores for growing their own illegal drugs. do you think big bro gives a fuck that spores are technically 'not illegal'? of course not!
Oh, and if you think that since the server is in Canada, and that the server with all of your (and my) precious IP's is safe, then why don't ya try telling that to companies and people who have been extradited or subpoena'd back to the US when in another country? The fact is that MANY minors in the US are using this site to purchase needed precursors, and getting the necessary info to manufacture illicit drugs. This would make both those who run this site, and the vendors responsible for conspiracy alongside contributing to the delinquency of a minor, both of which are VERY illegal.
It sickens me when the admins say thins like "I doubt the shroomery will ever get busted" when it is so obvious that the ice is VERY thin as it is...
oh and as a side note to thor...
jonah aka The_Dreamed (whom you banned for "supposedly" leaking info from the mod forum) is completely innocent, and how you came to the conclusion that he was the gulity party in this instance still boggles my mind since i specifically told you i would NOT tell you where my info came from. You don't think one of your other 34 admins don't tell their friends? and their friends tell their friends? if not you must be a damn fool man, cause i the fella i heard it from isnt even a registered poster in the OMC.
"I heard it through the grapevine"
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]  1
#623205 - 04/30/02 12:18 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damn, I ordered spores like two years ago, but since then I faked my death, and the police cannot find me, so I am sorry for all of you who are not smart enough to do so. Thor basically sucks! He should just quit running the website, tell all the vendors to shut down, and exercise his all mighty thorness by being a pussy ass bitch, and not going to jail.
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: nugsarenice]
#623208 - 04/30/02 12:25 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623215 - 04/30/02 12:34 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Will the shroomery get busted: prolly...but not for awhile
why I think that: it will get busted for the reasons camel pointed out to us...why its still up is prolly cuz the shroomery hasn't really gotten all that popular...but its starting too get really big. I don't believe its legal to shut down the shroomery cuz its against the first amendment however the government killz pplz rights all the time and it still happens.
why I believe you dont have to worry all that much:
-yes the government does have alot of (seemingly) annoying dumb ppl. however the government in my opinion functions as a business....and in order for a business to stay afloat the business needs to make money----now my point is that if the government grabed files from a spore seller it wouldn't make sence for them to raid everyone on the list...the list is really big and they do not have the man power to spare on raiding everyone's house..
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now I have my own question...I know the government have made raid on mushroom growers but why is it i never hear it in the paper or the tv or anywhere. I looked at the dea website and I woud tons of articles of raids agaisnts X/crack/cocaine/weed/almost every other drug....but never on mushroom growers.... I just was wondering why that is ? maybe I dont watch enough tv. or maybe because they dont really happen alot....maybe its cuz of the type of ppl that grow mushrooms who knows...just thought that was intereesting...lata
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: nugsarenice]
#623218 - 04/30/02 12:38 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is my opinion that the shroomery will not get busted, it might get shut down, but there are too many people on here and it's too hard to get a warrent for each person, besides they might not find anything in half the peoples houses. Also, vendors don't keep customer lists ... (at least the good ones) even so, many people don't send spores directly to there houses... and theres not way to prove from the shroomery that you've bought spores from a certain vendor. Sure, there are some ways that people could get busted, but there are many other routes that people take and make it very much more difficult to get busted ...
How do i not get busted? Easy, I have a freind grow. I give him the info he needs, this way he isn't traced, and i don't get busted <-- wreck tangle, (mr cop) and all fellow LEO's please read an understand this....
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623223 - 04/30/02 12:40 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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well camel i ll have to admit. Great post. The minor stuff should scare the fuck out of everyone. Until today I had no idea that 3D was a minor and I had no idea that so many vendor customers were minors. I threw out any grow stuff I had around so fuck it i m not worried but I see what you re saying and yes folks would have to be idiots to believe its all legal here. That spores are legal shit would never fly far and I think most vendors, administrators,mods and anyone else who comes here know that. Hopefully for all involved shrooms will never become a big concern for big brother.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: SouthernGent]
#623268 - 04/30/02 01:35 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet the fella who ran JLF didn't think he would get raided and imrpisoned either. He didnt sell anything "illegal" either, remember 
when there are crimes involving drugs and minors being PUBLICLY displayed on the internet, big bro WILL and DOES take notice. and i am certain that the straw that's gonna break the camel's back (no pun intended) is going to be some dumbass kid having a syringe sent to his house and his mommy herding up the soccer moms and getting a 20/20 special about it. The Hive was already on 20/20 and if you dont think it could happen to this place then you must be living under a rock.
ignorance is bliss
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623285 - 04/30/02 02:02 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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In reply to:
First off, before y'all think this isn't a vendor topic, it is. I posted a message along these lines in OTD under monkey's fairwell post but it got deleted DESPITE Thor PROMISING me that if i made such a post that it WOULDN'T get deleted (lack of trust).
It WAS NOT DELETED, only myself, 3dshroom, and Anno can delete... Your either losing your mind, or some magical fairy came and deleted your post...
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: MicronMagick]
#623286 - 04/30/02 02:02 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rohypnol
GHB
- never even heard of those drugs, still pretty naive
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623303 - 04/30/02 02:24 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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The way I see it, the Shroomery is in no trouble as long as it's popularity is limited AND parents arent finding kid's spore syringes laying around their rooms... Shrooms are not much of a popular drug and I don't believe that is changing. The only real worry to me is if one of these kids gets caught by a cop or his mom, that would certainly explode given the right kind of parent and it WOULD put our site and the whole OMC on the map. This isnt that easy to fix though, The admins and vendors could put up an 18 or over disclaimer at the begining of the site, but kids get around that just by a click... if the site used a free age verification service, one that makes you sign up with a credit card to prove your age (though some minor's do carry plastic), the amount of minors in the site would go down substantially. I don't think this site or any of the vendors want this to happen though, I'm guessing a good 50 - 75% of vendor's sells and traffic here is generated by those under 18. This website and websites like it have been running for years, I don't believe any harm will come to the shroomery if someone does away with the risk that minors living with parents present.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: TheShroomHermit]
#623308 - 04/30/02 02:30 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rohypnol= "date rape drug" (i think)
cant remember what GHB is...
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623315 - 04/30/02 02:37 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I figured the shroomery would be busted after I joined since everything fucks up after I find out about it! I think law enforcement is too busy w/ the "x" scene to fuck w/ shroomers, remember when crack came out, thats all you heard about for years and since thats all the people heard about, crack became the scourge of society and police were told to focus their attention on that drug. I hate the fact that people are afraid to talk about things on this board cause they figure the cops will find out about different kinds of drugs or that if they talk about ways to do thing then the pigs will get wise!(fuck that) the goverment is allready tryin to close the door on this kind of thing w/ an act that will do away with any book or internet site that talks about the manufacture of drugs.Talking about drugs,their manufacture or research chems is our freedom of speech and I for one LOVE to learn about new drugs(even if I never take them) I hate when people post to shut up about things(I understand where their coming from) but I hate that the people that know this information are frightend/paranoid that the police will catch onto these things and then the people who need this first hand info from experienced people can't get the information they want/need. I for one hope and pray that the shroomery lives on for a long time and i thank all the mod's and admin's for allowing me to have a place where I can come and give information, speak my mind, have fun and learn new and exciting things.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: joe666]
#623423 - 04/30/02 05:06 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I surrender!!
I hope the SporeLab makes 20/20, that would be GREAT publicity!
I wonder if those were our spores? We have lots of Calgarian customers! They must have been, if those were MM's filters disks, they must have been SporeLab spores!
They must be going through the guys computer about now, getting ours and MM's addresses. I guess we should ALL be busted and this website shut down by tomorrow night!
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623425 - 04/30/02 05:10 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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GHB is known commenly at some rave scenes as "liquid e". It produces a drunk-like high without the extreame loss of motor cordination. The problem with this drug is the users dont always know the concentration (when found in a liqud) and too much off it will knock you out (date-rape style) and can bee fatal when mixed with alcohol.
Moreover, I think we need to understand the different between possibility and a serious threat. Yes, we all have the possibility to be tracked/busted but in reality it isn't a serious threat. We have our "right" to free speach. Although law enforcment agencys will bend/manupilite rights with proper percautions we will not get busted.
Personally, I dont want to see this site get too popular. Then the possibility becomes a serious threat. In chat the other day 3D posted something like 2.2k users have logged in the past 30-days. Now, think of all the regulars/vendors/trolls you know around here and take those away...there arn't an EXTREAM amount of unknown users floating around...however...I know for a fact that a lot of users just scroll around w/o posting.
I've seen it said many times in the past few weeks...remember this everytime you start to write a post:
"Every post might be monitered by a law enforcment agency so treat it like it is"
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: ]
#623694 - 04/30/02 11:52 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well here is the url that anyone an find by typing the words "psilocybe mushrooms" into Yahoo's search engines or any other ones for that matter.
Been here for four years and anyone can look at it.
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=psilocybe+mushrooms
adn as for JLF he got busted but I do not think he is in prison. People who go to jail do not go to prison and people who get sent to prison are for 1 year or more. Under a year sentence you go to county and/or local jails, unless you live in the south like texas where everyone goes to prson for some reason or another. I have orderd from JLF for many years. No problems and I am not paranoid. I am cauious.
And I have yet to here any site being busted.
Remember about two and a half years ago, someone psoted the story of the kid in Louisiana who sold a narc pot from over the internet. God was this site beaming with paranoia that we are all being wached.
Who the f cares.
I always tell people to fight for what they beleive in.
Be like the al quida. become a martyr.
hehehe. Lts everyone have a shroomy day without paranoia.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623708 - 05/01/02 12:15 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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heh,,heheh,,,
alright in case hes right...
we should put alpha plan B into effect.
a 'backup' server at a different location.
thatll teach'm.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: phrozendata]
#623711 - 05/01/02 12:17 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Freedom of speech is not protected in many occasions...
One cannot yell "BOMB" or "RAT" in a crowded area.
One also cannot discuss with somebody how to commit a crime when they are helping supply them with the necessary materials to commit that crime at the same time.
these are things that are most definitely NOT protected free speech...
i really dont understand how people can say "I really don't see it ever happening, mushrooms aren't that big of a deal"
why dont you tell that to somebodies mother who finds her son's rubbermaid under his bed, or syringe waiting in the mailbox when she gets home from work?
GHB wasn't a big deal in 1995, just as LSD wasnt a big deal in 1960. things can QUICKLY change, and to think you're in the clear just because it "isn't a big deal right now" then you truly must be clued in. things CAN and DO change VERY quickly.
2ct7 wasnt a big deal 1.5-2 years ago, now it's ALL over the media. SAME thing with salvia. what makes you think "evil mushrooms" aren't going to be the next thing to be force-fed down America's Anti-Drug mouths...
ive said it once, and ill say it again...
ignorance is bliss (it's also what gets you raided and imprisoned)
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Edited by camel (05/01/02 12:21 AM)
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623741 - 05/01/02 01:06 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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So camel should we contact all the marijuana discussion boards and tell them to shut down? I'll contact the owner of Overgrow if you like.. I also think the marijuana movement should be quiet, I don't like the attention its getting... What if some kid is caught smoking weed, or growing a pot plant.. It will be the end of us all who smoke weed..
Maybe we should hide in alleyways, cower from public view, and shut down all sites that have any discussion of mushrooms..
If paranoia and fear was a plant, you'd be a cactus.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623742 - 05/01/02 01:09 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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> ignorance is bliss (it's also what gets you raided and imprisoned)
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623747 - 05/01/02 01:16 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh how clever of you to just quote yourself.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Captain Jack]
#623752 - 05/01/02 01:24 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea i s'pose that is pretty fuckin clever 
how clever of you for noticing
provacatively honest,
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623755 - 05/01/02 01:27 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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If i cant convince you of the trouble on the horizon by pointing out the obvious illegalities entwined in this site, then obviously nothing will...
when will y'all open yer eyes? when a vendor gets raided, and all the addresses for orders waiting to be filled are siezed?
is that what it will take for y'all to get outta la-la-land?
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Edited by camel (05/01/02 01:30 AM)
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623759 - 05/01/02 01:37 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everyone who grows is taking a legal risk and I do think that too many people take that risk too lightly.
I think people need to take more measures to protect themselves, heres a few ideas....
1. Never say your growing or post any pictures that might incriminate you (pictures taken in your house, etc..)
2. For vendors be VERY carefull what you say on these boards, its important you protect yourselves.
3. Be aware the US law enforcement is known for using shady tactics to get what they want, with the new laws passed after 9/11 this danger has gone up significantly.
4. Be smart, don't tell anyone your growing, don't grow if you have kids in the house, don't take risks if you going to jail will ruin your own family...
Camel I understand your paranoia, you seem to think that Forest Floor is so safe, the same shit could happen there too. Yeah the Shroomery is more likely because of its popularity, but the same arguments you make can be said about the Forest Floor.
The Shroomery itself is NOT going to get closed down because a vendor or shroomery member does... I hope that point is clear, we provide information and forums for people to discuss.... I have had a lawyer look over this site for me, and believe me the danger is to the individuals, vendors, and not the Shroomery itself...
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623762 - 05/01/02 01:40 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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>"i dont know how any of you cant see this, as this is the reality of the situation. if a vendor gets raided, then they have all the addresses of those purchasing spores for growing their own illegal drugs. do you think big bro gives a fuck that spores are technically 'not illegal'? of course not!"
Dude you make a point- HOWEVER, have you ever asked yourself why no sting operation for 'shrooms (none that I'm aware off except for narcs asking for drugs) has happen in all of these years? Have you ever asked yourself why the FBI endorsed a study regarding the legailities of mycelium(sp!) in which in states that the spores being used were ordered legaly from PF... AND the study concluded that the fungus was legal untill "knots" formed in the fungus. (hell any fungus head here knows that the white fungus can create a buzz when eaten) Have you ever wondered why there are so many open & public websites about 'shrooms yet the media is fucking ignorent to what they are or even do? Ya ever question why the DEA barely mentions 'shrooms as being a concern (ya gotta search awhile for you even see a mention of 'shrooms at the dea site)?
THE GOVERMENT SIMPLY DOSENT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT MUSHROOMS! They know the effects of 'shrooms. They know that 'shrooms are less harmfull to the body than legal alcohol and tobacco. They know that most 'shroom heads only trip on ocansion and that it's not a narcotic (by definition). Most importantly, the goverment knows that Magic Mushrooms are not an issue in politics, so why should they really bother with an atention getting sting operation that might result in 'shrooms becoming MORE popular.
I bet they are laughing there ass's off at all of the parinoid and stupid ass vendor wars & "who is the narc today" threads here (I'm guilty of a "who's a narc thread" or two, I must admit).
(just my 2 cents)
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Jammer]
#623763 - 05/01/02 01:46 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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the govt "didnt give a fuck" about 2ct7 either
and we see how quick that changed...
history repeats itself, and it HAS repeated itself in exactly this fashion over and over and over and over and over...
and thor, i dont think ANY drug site is safe personally (Forest Floor included). Let us not jump to conclusions remember what happened the last time(s) you did that? (ie: 2 nights ago)
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623765 - 05/01/02 01:51 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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i've said everything i can say on this subject, and any further replies would involve me relaying the same message...
so i think im gonna stop replying to this thread now
no use wasting my words on deaf ears
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Thor]
#623769 - 05/01/02 01:54 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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>"1. Never say your growing or post any pictures that might incriminate you (pictures taken in your house, etc..)
2. For vendors be VERY carefull what you say on these boards, its important you protect yourselves.
3. Be aware the US law enforcement is known for using shady tactics to get what they want, with the new laws passed after 9/11 this danger has gone up significantly.
4. Be smart, don't tell anyone your growing, don't grow if you have kids in the house, don't take risks if you going to jail will ruin your own family..."
AMEN BROTHER!!!!
I have NEVER understood why so many display there web cam pics, pics of there crops, geographical location, and admit there growing "strain -X-" etc... Sure it's very educational... But, from a LEGAL point of view it sure does make the job of the dea much easier.
Also, people need to be more carefull of who they trust via pms. Just 'cuz somebody here has posted a shitload of very detailed threads with pics of various cultivations dosent mean that it *might* not be "The Man" engaging in entrapment for the purpose of producing a list of people that they "traded" spores with.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#623775 - 05/01/02 02:24 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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>"the govt "didnt give a fuck" about 2ct7 either"
Man, I'm sorry. There is a HUGE diference in 2ct7 and 'shrooms. 2ct7 cant be picked from the front lawn. Also I know friends that tried 2ct7. There descriptions of the experience was simply mind bogling. - Very diferent from the effects of 'shrooms. I would NEVER compare the two! Also, we know that 2ct7 has been linked (*reported*) directly linked to deaths. APPLES & ORANGES I SAY!
BTW: How long was 2ct7 even remotely popular? How long have 'shrooms been remotely popular (if I can use that word)? They have had ample time to shut out the vendors and go thru with a sting.... if anyone really wanted too.
Yes, they COULD react the same way with 'shrooms as they did with 2ct7. SO WHY HAVENT THEY? Keep in mind that the goverment would risk making mushrooms more popular, and they can be picked for free in many yards.
Why would the goverment want to promote another drug (via huge sting bust) that they cant controll? The reason that they fuck with the weed is 'cuz of strong political pressure that our goverment is under in order to stay in power. It's a sad fact that many DO agree with the refer madness bullshit, thus the dea is forced to get involved or lose there jobs.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Jammer]
#623784 - 05/01/02 03:25 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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>"1. Never say your growing or post any pictures that might incriminate you (pictures taken in your house, etc..)
What's the harm in that as long as you remain anonymous. Don't give any clues as to your geographical location and you should be able to safely jabber on and on about whatever you like.
But you have to choose one or the other. Spore trading seems like a really bad idea to me. I'm not giving out my address to anybody on this site. When I buy spores from a vendor, I don't tell them my Shroomery name, that would be silly.
Camel has a point, and paranoia has a purpose, but I don't think the gubbamint is going to start coming in all sneaky and tracing IPs and shit. They'll take out the easy targets first, the spore traders and vendors. They're the proverbial canaries in the mine here. All they have to do is just make spores illegal. It's as simple as that.
If PF shuts down and vendors have to make a living off of bags, filters and legal mushroom cultures, it's going to drive this hobby even further underground than it is now.
Half the spore traders will be cops and the only safe way to get spores will be to get them from someone you know personally, go out in a field and make a sporeprint or, possibly, get them from overseas. There's no way they're going to be able to search every letter comming out of the netherlands, so MushMush will probably be the only vendor left standing.
All the american vendors might want to get their passports updated now if you plan on staying in business. But, of course, if you ever set foot in America again after setting up shop elsewhere They'll lock you up.
So, basically, I guess everybody just needs to suck up to Una.
All this is the big reason I decided to get into shroomin when I did, I realized if they make spores illegal, I better already have some. And when or if the day comes, I'll be ready, I'll have all the spores I'll need for the rest of my life, because I plan on burrying an ASSLOAD of prints in sealed jars all over the county, and I'll be tacking them up on public bulletin boards, stuffing them in books at the library, and anything else I can think of
I thought It might be a good Idea to post a notice for spores in local bars and headshops. I'll include an email address, and if they want spores, just make a donation to NORML, ot the Shroomery or something, get a reciept, scan it and email a copy to me , and I'll email them a map to one of my jars.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: MicronMagick]
#623849 - 05/01/02 07:10 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is easy to OD on 2ct7, yet mushies are totally different...
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: 3DSHROOM]
#623918 - 05/01/02 09:48 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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i wonder camel, how much "involvement" youv'e had with law enforcement, at any level. Your ideals are extremely frustrating and ignorant. and without explaining why law enforcement will not "bust" the shroomery in detail, I say to you that the US has there money tied up elswhere. You canno't honestly believe that the US would completely waste its resources busting a few vendors or civillian grow setups, it would cost more in gas for the van and lunch for the swat team in comparison to the busts they'd be making. our GOV DOESN'T CARE bout some grow bags in a fukin closet or a bulk outdoor setup. Personally i think ya just got a little freaked cause yer mom threw out a few of yer cakes. Next time spare the rest of us. and since iv'e spoken to a higher ranking officer in a pretty good sized city bout this same thing, not too long ago, sleep well my paranoid freind, none of us are as important to big brother as we think we are.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: 3DSHROOM]
#623921 - 05/01/02 09:49 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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i wonder camel, how much "involvement" you've had with law enforcement, at any level. Your ideals are extremely frustrating and ignorant. and without explaining why law enforcement will not "bust" the shroomery in detail, I say to you that the US has there money tied up elswhere. You can not honestly believe that the US would completely waste its resources busting a few vendors or civillian grow setups, it would cost more in gas for the van and lunch for the swat team in comparison to the busts they'd be making. our GOV DOESN'T CARE bout some grow bags in a fukin closet or a bulk outdoor setup. Personally i think ya just got a little freaked cause yer mom threw out a few of yer cakes. Next time spare the rest of us. and since iv'e spoken to a higher ranking officer in a pretty good sized city bout this same thing, not too long ago, sleep well my paranoid freind, none of us are as important to big brother as we think we are.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: splitopen]
#623999 - 05/01/02 11:33 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know i said i wouldn't reply, but in light of this ignorance i MUST
in case any of you were curious, possession of mushrooms can be charged as a felony, and manufacturing mushrooms (even small scale for personal use) is MOST DEFINITELY a felony. You are telling me that big bro doesn't care about felonies, and will "let felonies slide"?
> Personally i think ya just got a little freaked cause yer mom threw out a few of yer cakes
you know, you're right... that's what this is ALL about. My mom threw away my "cakes", in fact here are the last "cakes" of mine she threw away:
she can be so mean sometimes. lmao
slit: why dont you just confess that you don't know what the hell you're talking about?
camel
PS: as for the 2ct7 comment, it wasn't in an attempt to compare mushrooms to t7 at ALL, it was merely to show that what is "looked over" one day can VERY EASILY become an epidemic in the eyes of big bro the next. just look at marijuanna. in the 1920's it was "all good", but things can change VERY quickly no matter WHAT drug it is.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#624060 - 05/01/02 01:02 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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heheehhehehe hey camel thats a hell of a cake yield LOL
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#624183 - 05/01/02 04:13 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some people may not think the government cares about mushrooms, they may be right for the moment. The war on drugs is the governments little anti privacy, money making effort right now, right alongside the war on terror. Think of the boost the drug war would get if they exposed the shroomery. "Hundreds of thousands of people in the US are secretively producing illegal psychoactive mushrooms. These growers are so secretive that they have gone largely unnoticed until recently, there could be one right in your neighborhood." etc, etc. They may not bust every person that logs onto the shroomery, but the vendors will surely be fucked, and they may cruise by some of the more boisterous members. The point it its naive to think that you are totally safe, the possiblitiy is real, and it is a very large possibility. They know about Erowid, Lycaeum and The Hive, whos to say they don't already know about the shroomery. Perhaps they are reading this thread right now.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
#624234 - 05/01/02 05:22 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you think were going to prison why did you post pictures of an illegal substance then in the same post claim ownership? oh shit someone's at my door........ ahh fuck ma' dump the hydrapod!
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: splitopen]
#624238 - 05/01/02 05:27 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.fanaticus.com/forensic.htm
they know, oh and camel impressive flush.
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: splitopen]
#624266 - 05/01/02 06:03 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well camle I can see a point where you come from... Persionaly I think that you are a real fucked up cop, narc, etc - pardon my french.. I do respect the fact that someone wants to step up.. Do you have kids camle?? I know its not my concern.. You must... Because this seems like a stage of, when say your the parent and you just caught your kid growing these mushrooms, slap...slap and a good kick in the ass.... hum... Its odd... But causing a paranoia around here is not some times wise.. but other times it can be a good thing..
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: lobo121782]
#624299 - 05/01/02 07:04 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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This isn't dirrected at just you lobo.
I have let this go on for almost too long as it is.
Get everything out of your systems....and go back to living life.
Paranoid people don't impress me much.
Everything in life has risks.... decide your own path.
This thread is getting way off any Vendor type of topic.
I figgured I'd let you all blow off some steam and vent.
I personally feel that no Vendor should keep any customers information.
Please no more flames and name calling..... or I will close this thread.
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Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!
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PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
#624302 - 05/01/02 07:07 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I have answer these kind of queries before when someone becomes paranoid and therefore deems it necessaery to include everyone else in their paranoid corner.
I have been involved in the drug subculture movement since 1962. That was the year I smoked my first marijuana while being an extra in George Stevens fine film, "The Greatest Story Ever Told."
Me, Van Heflin and Sal Mineo split a doofer after I found a pack on the grounds at DesiLu Studios in Culver City. The joints were in wheat straw rolled in an empty pack of Pall Malls.
I should say asked Peter if he knew Christ. Of course he lied three times. Yet he loved Christ but was not willing to admit to it because he would of been on the fourth cross.
Since 1977, I have attended more than one hundred drug conferences with audiences ranging from 20 people to 1000 people..
At each and every one of these conferences, symposiums, lectures, etc, there have been hundreds of participants interested in the history and use of these amazing entheogenic plant substances and their chemical cousins (2-ct-7, a compound I have eaten almost 20 times since 1987. I first did 2cb in 1976 and I did MDA in 1970. Lsd in 1964.
And I also was at the Monterey Pop Festival. By the way there was not a single drug bust at that concert.
Regarding the shroomery being busted. I really doubt it. It is a public forum and while many people here post images of mushrooms deem illicit by law, there are more people who come here and bullshit about things they really do not do, pretending that they do many things which they post on these forums here and at other shroom sites.
Yes some minors and probabaly a lot of minors frequent these boards. That is evident by their lack of knowledge thereof or their grade school and high school mentality show though very easily in their sarcasstic and sometimes vulgar flamewars and posts..
Point in question is that at every conference I have ever attended, and there are many more that I did not attend with more people then attending the ones I attended. Hm that was a little redundant. Sorry,
What I mean to say is that there are DEA pharmacologists who attend these lectures. I talked to several with Andy Weil and Richard Schultes over the years at these conferences. Sometimes the same DEA spokesman appears at several conferences and sometimes they do not. But at everyone of these conferences I am sure as many who participated in them know that there were narcotics officers present observing everyone there in attendance..
Yet after 25 years, not a single person I met or became friends with at these conferences were ever arested or prosecuted for their interest in drugs or whatever purpose they were at those sonferences for. Were they watched after leavving said conferences. maybe and maybe not.
As I noted above. If you are paranoid, that is your buisness. Why make your paranoia everyone elses paranoid business, just because you are paranoid..
If you are paranoid then maybe you ought to find another outlet for your activities. If you think they are coming for you then eventually they might.
Something that makes you feel so good inside and out and you are afraid of the police coming to get you for doing it. Then you shouldn't do things so that they might come and get you.
What is in your head is not in everyone elses head.
Do you believe in what you are doing and if you do believe that there is no wrong in what you do then do not be aftraid to say so. Stand up for your beleifs. Thats what beleiveing is all about. Fighting for your right to beleive in the things you have always been told that you have a right to beleive in.
Here are two small photos of average crowds at soem of these conferences. . These were from my lectures at Chapman University. The most conservative Christian College in America. Can you imageine how times have change becazuse of peoples openness. There were over 1000 participants at this 12 hour all day long conference called "The Gathering of the Minds."
It occured in 1994. No one there has reported being busted to Ron Piper the organizer of this beautiful happening. The more open you are with mushrooms then the more understanding law enforcement officials have about the substances you are using.
Cops do not care about shrooms in general. It is probably not even a priority for them. AS for DEA, they only become involved if inter state commenrce takes place and if you are not shiping mass quantities of mushrooms across state lines then the DEA does not become involved.
If that person growing in Vancouver had the shrooms growing in locked bedrooms in the condo then I doubt that they would have been found. I have a similar tale from San Fransciso where firemen found a grow operation in Oakland while puting out a fire.
Again, there are several big mushroom busts at my website at http://mjshroomer,yage.net/news.html
Theyt involved from 50 to 500 pounds of shrooms and more.
While some individual somewhere might get busted for a small amount, the odds against massive busts are limited.
My opinion, is that anyone who grows more than five or ten pounds is greedy and it is greed which will do one in.
Enough said.
Here are two images of attendants at the Chapman Christian College Conference on the Gathering of the Minds. The man in the bottom photo in the blue jean jacket is Paul Krassner, editor of the Realist.
Looking over the images it would be really hard to tell who is a narc. So why even think about it.
Oh one other thing, Those big mushroom busts always seem to occur by accident because of other drugs or chemicals or teenagers breaking and entering. Read those tales of the shrooms at my site for some insight.
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: mjshroomer]
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: mjshroomer]
#624342 - 05/01/02 08:11 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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very well put Mj. lol would love to sit and hear some of your story's over a big fatty.
if your so sure the site/venders/members are going to be busted, why be here? if i knew a building was gonna get demolished, i wouldnt take a nap in the lobby. but i truley believe ( who the f*ck am i right?) that before they mess with the shroomery, elowid will be hit. the hive will be hit ( so far, i have seen no definate confermation that the supposed bust was real, another paranoid delusion) , and they will take down overgrow,and poppies.org all before they mess with the shroomery. why? because these site focus on the drugs the dea is trying the hardest ( without any luck ) to stop... meth, pot, H, and the growing numbers of clandestine labs, synthesising drugs at such a frantic pace.
but, if your so convinced, throw out all your supplies, and you wont have anything to fear. let those who choose to do whatever, the right to do it. most of us are adults, and know the consequences of our actions
LOL and i thought you was 20ish ralph lol, i dont feel so bad being an old man around here now
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#624478 - 05/01/02 10:57 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will address only the legal misconceptions raised in Camel's post. Others have had their say on other aspects of it.
Camel writes:
The vendors are selling spores, and at the same time coming to these boards and answering grow questions. They are selling the necessary precursors (ie: spores) and are giving the necessary info to manufacture illicit drugs. The vendors are both selling spores, and giving the info how to manufacture drugs to MANY MINORS here at this site. This is CONSPIRACY and it IS VERY ILLEGAL.
Actually, the legal definition of conspiracy is not met by a vendor selling legal spores and providing information on the same site in the form of a generalized informational "FAQ" on how mushrooms are grown from spores. However, IF a vendor were to sell spores to a specific individual, and then enter into a correspondence with THAT SAME INDIVIDUAL answering detailed questions on the various steps required to turn the spores into psilocybin, then an argument could be made that a conspiracy occurred.
As an aside, the fact that the customer involved may be a minor is irrelevant. Conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance is an offense that is neither mitigated nor made more severe by the ages of the participants. It is a felony, period.
I dont know how any of you cant see this, as this is the reality of the situation. if a vendor gets raided, then they have all the addresses of those purchasing spores for growing their own illegal drugs. do you think big bro gives a fuck that spores are technically 'not illegal'? of course not!
Most if not all vendors make a point of claiming that they do NOT keep customer lists. I have no reason to assume these claims are false. A subpoena to seize a customer list is useless if there is no customer list to seize.
Oh, and if you think that since the server is in Canada, and that the server with all of your (and my) precious IP's is safe, then why don't ya try telling that to companies and people who have been extradited or subpoena'd back to the US when in another country?
The US has no, repeat, NO jurisdiction whatsoever over either Thor or his server. Thor is not a US resident, let alone a US citizen. The US cannot subpoena a resident of Canada to appear in a US court. The Canadian government will not extradite him to stand trial in the US, since the "crime" involved is not a capital crime. Extraditions, even between countries with as amicable relations as the US and Canada, are not run-of-the-mill occurences. Extraditions are a VERY big deal, and not undertaken lightly.
The server is not located on US soil, and is not owned by a US corporation or a US citizen, hence cannot be seized by US law enforcement officials. This is why the online casinos locate their servers offshore, in countries like mine (the Dominican Republic).
The fact is that MANY minors in the US are using this site to purchase needed precursors, and getting the necessary info to manufacture illicit drugs. This would make both those who run this site, and the vendors responsible for conspiracy alongside contributing to the delinquency of a minor, both of which are VERY illegal.
Again, I must point out that it is no more illegal than manufacturing controlled substances. The penalties are actually less. The "delinquency of a minor" thing is a side-issue legally speaking. To an irate parent, it may loom larger, but I doubt that it comes as a surprise to anyone that many minors do illegal things. They drink, smoke cigarettes, drive, and screw (statutory rape) while under age. They smoke dope and crack, take meth and LSD and ecstacy. They grow pot. They steal car stereos and burglarize residences and stores and carry (and use) handguns. When's the last time you heard of some gun dealer getting charged, much less convicted, of contributing to the delinquency of a minor? Or the owner of a Seven-Eleven doing time for selling cigarettes to a high school student?
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Phred]
#624542 - 05/02/02 01:02 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Listen...
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what you believe to be true is actually false...
i would love to analyze what you said, and each point you made, but it would basically be me repeating the same points i mentioned above...
one friend of mine is actually a lawyer, and i discussed these things with him at length many times... after all, i think it's very necessary one actually educate themselves on the legalities of whatever 'extracurricular activities' they partake in. so this is exactly what i did.
anyways...
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Phred]
#624570 - 05/02/02 01:57 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is fantasy land. No one knows for certain what any of these pictures are of. They are pictures. Pictures are not illegal, drugs are. There isn't a state witness alive that can ID any of the mushrooms growing in these pictures,from the pictures, under oath in a court of law.
Until spores are made illegal, Buying and selling spores is legal. Trading spores is legal. You can sell them to any one who sends you money for them. It is a legal commodity. It is not regulated, except through taxation as a commodity being sold. Biggest concern for a non cultivating vendor is paying their taxes!!!!
Comparing this site to a marijuana site is rediculous. Marijuana seeds are illegal, trading them and selling them. That is what can get a site closed down. Not all the pictures of GRASS, but the seeds that get passed around in a country that it is illegal in. You can't ID a marijuana plant from a picture either. It is not enough for a warrant.
Warrants are issued based on someone with legal rights to your home, LANDLOARD, someone you invite in, or someone your landloard lets in narcing you out. You selling drugs to someone, and them getting busted, rating you out, and SETTING you up.
If joe dirt tells the cops that you are a grower, they still have to get more then that to raid your home. This person had to have been in your home, and SEEN the DRUGS, and then they could make a move.
PICTURES and WORDS on the internet, are just that, PICTURES and WORDS on the internet.
If your PICTURES and WORDS can be linked to actual crimes, or are actual crimes all hell will come crashing down on you. Pictures of Mushrooms are not crimes, even if you say you grew them. Where is the EVIDENCE to substantiate your suspected CRIME. Who can identify the mushrooms with absolute certainty!!!
If they could have moved on this place they would have by now. If they could have moved on Vendors they would have. If they could have moved on members they would have.
If any of you out here actually think you can ID a mushroom from a picture, you are kidding yourself, if you said you could under oath you would be lying under oath.
Mushroom busts as in any kind of Drug bust is the result of being caught with them in your possesion or selling them to a cop or someone working for a cop. If door to door searching was legal, they would have been doing it already. If anything on this site was illegal, it would not exist, NOW!!!!!
If the cops really wanted you, they could get into your house. But they would have to do so LEGALLY. And nothing that goes on here publicly is legal grounds to get into your home.
The REAL RISK is commiting a crime. Shit happens and you get caught. Investigating this site is a waste of time, they can sit back and wait for you to make a mistake, or for shit to happen, and then you get caught.
Solution, if you are gonna take the risk, do so SMALL SCALE, and certainly make sure that anyone around you that is at risk is a consenting party. This is your RESPONSIBILITY!!!
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Bitching and winning about what other people do to them selves is REDICULOUS. If anyone feels in danger about this site, they should not be visiting it.
As long as no one puts you in direct danger there is no concern. If you order from a vendor, YOU are taking responsibility for your own actions. If you trade you are taking responsibility for your own actions. If you post pictures, or give information, it is your own responsibility.
The responsibility always lies in the individual. Except it. If you don't like the rules, start your own site, and make your own rules.
I feel no danger in ordering spores from a VENDOR, they are legal for me. I feel no danger posting pictures of unidentifiable mushrooms. I feel no danger talking about science. I feel no danger trading spores to people who can legally possess them. I have broken no laws by associating with this site, any of it's members, or any of it's vendor sponsors.
LONG LIVE THE SHROOMERY, LONG LIVE THE OMC. Without the OMC I would have zero contact with people to even talk about SHROOMS with. No one I even associate with on a daily basis even cares about shrooms, let alone has an interest in them.
The OMC is all I got as far as Shroom Talk goes!!!
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#624796 - 05/02/02 10:04 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Camel writes:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what you believe to be true is actually false...
All of it? I addressed five areas of concern to THE SHROOMERY in my post: customer lists, the "minor" factor, the legal definition of conspiracy, US jurisdiction and extradition. Which of the areas do you feel I have misrepresented?
1) Customer lists. Can't be the issue of customer lists... if customer lists don't exist then clearly they cannot be seized, subpoena or no subpoena.
2) Minors. Is it your contention that the penalties for conspiring with minors under US Federal statutes are more severe than those for conspiring with adults? Note that since the server is owned and operated by non-US citizens, and is not located on US soil, IF charges could be laid, they would by definition have to be FEDERAL charges. Federal law does not have two tiers of penalties, one of which depends on the age of the participants.
Note that this caveat re Federal involvement applies only to THE SHROOMERY itself (referring to the title of your original post), not to individual VENDORS who may be located in one of the states of the US, and are therefore subject to STATE statutes, some of which MAY have more severe penalties if minors are involved.
3) Conspiracy. Do you disagree with the legal definition of conspiracy? Conspiracy is well defined and narrowly limited. Conspiracy is an ACTIVE crime, not a passive one. Printing a scholarly dissertation on the cultivation of mushrooms is a PASSIVE act. Engaging in protracted correspondence in the form of answering specific questions relating to certain steps of the production of controlled substances is an ACTIVE act. Further, conspiracy applies to specific INDIVIDUALS, not to the public at large. Publishing a book available to anyone with the money to buy it containing detailed instructions on how to synthesize LSD is not conspiracy. Standing over the shoulder of a specific chemist and guiding him step by step through the process IS conspiracy.
This is why an author describing in detail in a novel how to pull off a jewel robbery or how to convert a weapon from semi-automatic fire to full automatic, is not CONSPIRING with his readers. Similarly, the owner of a website providing an informational section (or links to some other site providing the same) on how mushrooms are cultivated is not CONSPIRING with those who click on the link.
4) Jurisdiction. You claim that the US has jurisdiction over Thor and his server. They don't. No crime has been committed on US soil, at least not by Thor. Some of the US residents that visit Thor's website may have committed crimes, true, but the closest the Feds could possibly come to involving THE SHROOMERY and its owners in the legal charge would be to list them as "unindicted co-conspirators", a moot point at best... just the standard lame and toothless "padding" to puff up the charge and make it appear more serious, hoping to obtain a stiffer sentence for the CULTIVATOR who is appearing in court. There is no legal repercussion to Thor or to THE SHROOMERY.
5) Extradition. As for extradition and/or seizure of property of a CANADIAN citizen who hasn't been indicted... never gonna happen. I refer once again to offshore online casino operations. NONE of those computers located offshore have ever been seized, and none ever will be.
i would love to analyze what you said, and each point you made, but it would basically be me repeating the same points i mentioned above...
How so? I re-read all your posts in this thread, and I don't see where you addressed ANY of the specific points I made, so there would be no repetition involved. Feel free to comment as you see fit.
one friend of mine is actually a lawyer, and i discussed these things with him at length many times...
There are lawyers and then there are lawyers. They have their areas of specialization. Is your friend a specialist in international jurisdiction and extradition? Or does he specialize in Internet crime or delinquency of minors? Besides, lawyers can be mistaken. Happens all the time.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Phred]
#625170 - 05/02/02 06:59 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually, the server is located in the U.S.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: 3DSHROOM]
#625216 - 05/02/02 08:03 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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How much do you know about carnivore and the "Patriot Act"?
Anyone interested in freedom should have a look at this:
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: 3DSHROOM]
#625278 - 05/02/02 09:51 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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The server is located in the US? Oh, dopey me! Well, then, scratch all my comments re jurisdiction.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: mjshroomer]
#636607 - 05/19/02 02:23 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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MJ shrooms on!
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Anno: "-I can do anything with those clouds!"
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: camel]
#637472 - 05/20/02 08:14 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Camel, did you take any prints from those beautiful Psylocibe Cubensis mushrooms? Maybe you can trade one.  No offense! I passed through moments of higher paranoia then you. And still pass some others..
MJ SHROOMER WILL SHROOM FOR EVER!!
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: dumlovesyou]
#637590 - 05/20/02 09:16 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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The relative harmfulness/harmlessness of any given substance plays little roll in the government's enforcement against such substances. Look at cannabis. Don't fool yourselves people. Uncle Sam wants you.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: ]
#637855 - 05/20/02 12:02 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't really thing shrooms are the governments biggest worry. Look at www.overgrow.com , it has marijuana seed vendors that give out info and even post pictures of their own grow op's!
Or at least thats what i think...
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Fd3000]
#637913 - 05/20/02 01:02 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, I'm not trying to be mean, but Thor has to get over this pussy shit about clearing every god damn post beofre it gets mounted. What kind of control freaks are we letting this war against our people turn us in to? Yeah thor, these fuckers argue. Let's move on. I'd prefer applying my own filter. Of course it is your god damn site and you may do as you please.
Then the drugs kicked in. I wasn't just visiting the zoo, I was the zoo.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Fd3000]
#637919 - 05/20/02 01:10 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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A very informative thread.
I was just pondering along these lines myself, but I like to dwell on non-paranoia happy things instead..
I think it's a bit funny how yahoo's description of the Shroomery under "Drugs and Medications" is
"devoted to the spread of information on hallucinogenic mushrooms."
Changed from the Shroomerys "devoted to stop the spread of dangerous misinformation on hallucinogenic mushrooms."
I think the government knows more and more people learn the truth about pot everyday, and if they wanted to publicize the mushrooms, more people could learn the truth about them as well. They can't even bring up damage due to smoke inhalation like with pot, maybe someone psychological condition trying them however...
It just sickens me to think that the government can't trust people to use MJ and shrooms in moderation just as they trust (or encourage) people to use tobacco and alcohol.
I will always be dedicated to the truth.
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 Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: WildLASER]
#25373862 - 08/08/18 01:09 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sixteen long and arduous Patriot Act infused years after this original post and thank the Mighty Mushroom, the Shroomery is still running strong and supporting free thought to this day!
I am proud to be a member of this community and all that it stands for- knowledge in the face of adversity.
Here's to another beautiful 16+ years!
*apologies for bumping such a dinosaur post, I believe it to still be rather valid and had to hop onboard!*
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: sloopy]
#25382659 - 08/11/18 11:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Youre a dick for not letting this die.
Most definately not valid. Bringing up old shit starts bullshit.
Wtf.
Edited by em_bre_O (08/11/18 11:21 PM)
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: em_bre_O]
#25399858 - 08/20/18 02:27 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
The vendors are selling spores, and at the same time coming to these boards and answering grow questions. They are selling the necessary precursors (ie: spores) and are giving the necessary info to manufacture illicit drugs. The vendors are both selling spores, and giving the info how to manufacture drugs to MANY MINORS here at this site. This is CONSPIRACY and it IS VERY ILLEGAL..
Quote:
Sixteen long and arduous Patriot Act infused years after this original post and thank the Mighty Mushroom, the Shroomery is still running strong and supporting free thought to this day!
Just confirms my suspicions that this website is controlled by the authorities.
True counter cultural communities are dangerous, and few are as potent as psychedelic counter-culture.
Over the years here, it's been the same thing. A few really dominant posters here spew endless rhetorical facts and arguments that support the various establishment narratives used to justify the causal elements of the dystopia we find in society.
Its social control. Control of opinion. Cultural warfare.
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Thanks for bumping this as i had never seen it Nice to see how predictions work out..
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: icetech]
#25461379 - 09/15/18 03:51 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is the shroomery the only mushroom hobbist community online? No way. Its just the most well known. If anything, youll just see alot of stupid comments from 14 year olds.
What a glorious collection of pics of jars, mold, contams..
"I COLLECT MOLD, SPORES, AND FUNGUS"
The shroomery, busted for what? Advertising? Legal products?
If anything just dont post grow pictures. The places that get busted sell actual drugs. Ive always considered shroomery along the lines of bluelight and erowid, a popular drug forum. It is not a tor drug dealing site..
Ive had my doubts about whether a cop could trace someones IP and find a grow, but there are so many other factors when the only evidence is some mushroom pic with no faces in it. as far as shutting down the site, people will just migrate to a different site.
PS Holy shit MJShroomer, thats awesome. Desilu productions?
I *love* Lucy! -in both contexts
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Fractal420]
#25461474 - 09/15/18 06:10 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was actually curious if anyone has ever been busted over shit they posted here.. i had pm'd a old timer or 2 but they ignored me 
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: icetech]
#25461653 - 09/15/18 08:17 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats a good question. As long as theyre active here and there.
I mean the TC's are old timers, i guess even I am not that new. i dont post huge grows, just shoeboxes, and not even that often.
At least its a hell of a lot better than people posting their grows on fucking facebook shroomery with their names and locations attached
I think if you post a lot of pics of just shiitakes and trying to figure out contams, its prolly not that much of a lure for popo. But those 66qt gorgeous canopies, i dunno. Hopefully its never happened before.
Hell, i think years back someone even died live on camera here (if im mixing that up, its just from what ive heard) and people got freaked but i dont think anything happened?
Dunno if RR occassionally checks up or not.
And i mean, alot of people get tired of dealing with dozens of cultures and juggling their own lives i guess. It is, without the site even, a risky thing to do. (Sadly). i imagine in colorado, due to things like the telluride fest, people prolly dont care as much about cube shoeboxes.
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Grinning wide
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Fractal420]
#25461671 - 09/15/18 08:22 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fractal420 said:
Thats a good question. As long as theyre active here and there.
I mean the TC's are old timers, i guess even I am not that new. i dont post huge grows, just shoeboxes, and not even that often.
At least its a hell of a lot better than people posting their grows on fucking facebook shroomery with their names and locations attached
I think if you post a lot of pics of just shiitakes and trying to figure out contams, its prolly not that much of a lure for popo. But those 66qt gorgeous canopies, i dunno. Hopefully its never happened before.
Hell, i think years back someone even died live on camera here (if im mixing that up, its just from what ive heard) and people got freaked but i dont think anything happened?
Dunno if RR occassionally checks up or not.
Yeah i started hanging out in a FB group and it's been a ton of fun.. but i am a little paranoid bout it.. i haven't posted pics or say the things i do.. but.. still not the best idea, fun people though.
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: icetech]
#25461680 - 09/15/18 08:26 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont ever visit the FB page anymore. I mean i remember youd get some good prints possibly but shit i dont give my address out to people on fb who dont give a fuck about privacy when it comes to growing, some of those threads are toxic AF too.
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Prying open MY third eye
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: Fractal420]
#25461692 - 09/15/18 08:30 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said:
I dont ever visit the FB page anymore. I mean i remember youd get some good prints possibly but shit i dont give my address out to people on fb who dont give a fuck about privacy when it comes to growing, some of those threads are toxic AF too.
Yeah, i'm just in a generic psychedelics group...
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Re: Why the Shroomery WILL get busted... [Re: icetech]
#25461802 - 09/15/18 09:30 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some of those are cool if you dont share pics of tabs or shrooms or whatever. I just know fb policy and they hand everything over in a PDF ready for LE. This includes every post on facebook, possibly off of it too, thru apps that use facebook. What im not sure of is whether they hand over WhatsApp messages, which are said to be encrypted, but the program is owned by facebook, so i really dont know about that one
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