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 GabbaDj
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 Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. 
#622978 - 04/30/02 08:00 AM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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 Ellis Dee
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: GabbaDj]
#623147 - 04/30/02 11:24 AM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bush owes the election to the Supreme Court that appointed him not to the voters... But the NRA does a good job and they did sway a couple southern democrat strongholds... Pro life and NRA too, Bush is my kind of President!
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#623174 - 04/30/02 11:44 AM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your kind of president is a complete moron? My kind of President was someone like Thomas Jefferson (btw, Amendment II reads "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." last time I checked the majority of gun owners did not fit either clause)... a "Philosopher King" as described by Plato (Plato's The Republic, Book One)... and I don't think you should trust anyone with a child that you can't trust with a choice.. do you really want the government making more decisions for you?
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: Doublethink]
#623392 - 04/30/02 04:26 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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Which clauses are you referring to? I suggest you read the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist papers. The militia is all the able bodied men (citizens). How are the citizens to maintain their freedoms against a government intent on taking them away? The second amendment was and is about keeping government in check.
Fear the government that fears it's citizens.
Oh, George Bush is a just another big business socialist Republican like Rockefeller and his daddy. He's done more since 9/11 to destroy the Republic than all that Bill Clinton did in eight years, he's done it with the hearty help of the opposition party and spineless Republicans.
Edited by evolving (04/30/02 04:28 PM)
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: ]
#623661 - 04/30/02 11:17 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lets see, what has Bush done to destroy the republic? Oh yeah, he's nominated pro life judges in a desperate effert to end the slaughter of little babies. He's got Ashcroft and his justice dept working to end partial birth abortion forever. He wants to end the carnage of innocents but because of the effort of powerful pro death senators like Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy this holocaust remains completely legal! All we need is to regain control of the senate this fall and we may be able to fill the federal judge vacancies with pro lifers so that we can finaly end the slaughter that's been poisoning our republic and killing our children for the last 30 years!
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#624751 - 05/02/02 09:01 AM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ever heard of The Patriot Act?
How about secret military courts?
How are these authorized by The Constitution? How would you argue that these do not conflict with the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments)?
Are you aware the GWB and the spineless congress have given us the most expensive government since WWII?
Most Republicans and Democrats only care about the constitution only so long as it may be used to further their agenda. It's simple minded partisans who are leading this country to tyranny. Basically, Americans are being hoodwinked into surrendering their freedoms via two groups. If the full desires of the Republicans are implemented we would have a theocracy where personal choice is limited to what the ruling elite deem moral. If the utopian dreams of the Democrats are implemented we would have a communist dictatorship where equality means being equal slaves under one governmental master. Neither party does anything (other than pay lip service) to roll back the encroachments on our liberties put in place by the other.
Please think about it, before it's too late.
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: ]
#628024 - 05/12/02 04:16 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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Military tribunals are nothing new, nor do they apply to US citizens. The patriot act is scary. I haven't read much but I plan to. They counted the votes and Gore lost anyway.
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#628067 - 05/12/02 04:57 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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Military tribunals are nothing new, nor do they apply to US citizens... yet! If you haven't noticed, we lose our liberties incrementally. Just give it time and they will be applied to U.S. citizens.
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: ]
#628865 - 05/13/02 08:16 AM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's right we lose our rights incrementally.
That's why alcohol's illegal. That's why blacks and women can't vote. That's why abortion is a crime. That's why you are in danger of sitting in front of Congress under charges of communism.
Your right to a fair trial is embedded so deeply into Constitutional law, that you won't ever have to worry about appearing before a military tribunal. Look at lil Johnny Walker. He actually fought on the front lines for the Taliban and they're now saying they don't have enough evidence to even put him on trial. If there were ever a situation for an American citizen to be put in fron of the firing squad it was him.
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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson
The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.
The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#629194 - 05/13/02 12:26 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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How soon we forget the War on Drugs Doobie....how soon we forget.......
The blackballing of Hollywood actors for communist sympathizing was tiny compared to
what drug war victims go through on a large scale every day. Thousands and thousands of citizens imprisioned......
what were you thinking?
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Senor_Doobie
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: PGF]
#629328 - 05/13/02 02:35 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't say we were in a utopia.
My point was that progress is being made.
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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson
The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.
The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#629607 - 05/13/02 06:34 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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How we lose our rights incrementally.
Example 1 (cut, pasted and edited from another thread):
The War on Drugs. The nanny statists have decided that it is their duty to protect the American citizens from perceived immorality of drug abuse. Of course, in so arguing their points, they bring up the cases of derelict parents and hypes robbing liquor stores to support their habit. They never bring up the majority of peaceful people who just use drugs for simple recreation or psychological self exploration. Nor do they make the distinction that there are and have been a great number of people throughout history who have been derelict parents or robbers and never did any drugs (but maybe some alcohol).
Now a few years back, I think it was with SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Bill Bennet, the government came up with the idea of 'zero tolerance.' Part of this wonderful mishmash of authoritarian ideas was a concept known as 'asset forfeiture' which allowed the government to take property from accused drug dealers without trial or proof of guilt. This was said to be designed to put 'drug kingpins' out of business. This was put in place with typical legal arbitrariness by simply terming the asset forfeiture a civil action instead of criminal (totally disregarding the letter and spirit of the constitution).
Fast forward a few years. Recreational drug users are having their cars and homes stolen under color of authority by your police state operatives. Children are being trained in government schools to accept the concept of being presumed guilty and having their bodies monitored with drug tests. Farmers and other property owners are having their greatest economic asset, their land, taken from them under asset forfeiture rules because of some alleged violation of the endangered species act. Legal defense counsels are having their bank accounts frozen if they agree to defend someone accused of a crime, because some of their money may have originated from the alleged illegal activity of their client. None of these requires any criminal prosecution, burden of proof is now placed on the victims of government theft instead of their accusers.
NO drugs were considered illegal under federal law when the Bill of Rights was ratified on December 15, 1791. There were no drug tests mandated by federal law under the banner of the interstate commerce clause of the constitution.
Example number 2:
The right to keep the fruits of your labor. The income tax was instituted about 1913 (I may be off by a couple of years). During the debates in congress it was brought out that some worried that it may go as high as 10% but this was ignored as alarmist! Last year I paid 27.5% income tax plus 15.3% self employment tax.
Example number 3:
The right to keep and bear arms. I don't think I need to go into any detail, except to say that when the Republic was founded this was considered to be an absolute right of the individual. The phrase, "shall not be infringed" meant just that.
Example number 4:
Property Rights for Land. In addition to the previous example listed under the War On Drugs. Go to you're local government and find out what permits, fees, taxes, and restrictions are placed on you and your land if you want to create dwellings for human beings. (Then ask yourself what contributes to lack of affordable housing.)
Do you know how many new laws, regulations or taxes were passed by your state government last year? Do you know how many new laws, regulations or taxes were passed by your federal government last year? Your county government? Your city government? Every time a law or regulation is passed stating that you must do something, that curtails your freedom. Every time that a law or regulation is passed stating that you must not do something, that curtails your freedom. Everytime your taxes are raised, the freedom to decide how your money should be used to improve things is taken away from you. Most of these taken by themselves may seem rather small and relatively inconsequential, but what happens when you consider their effects in totality? Your freedoms are being taken away incrementally.
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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
-- US 4th Amendment
"... nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
-- US 5th Amendment
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
-- US 9th Amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
-- US 10th Amendment
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: ]
#630008 - 05/14/02 06:16 AM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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"The nanny statists have decided that it is their duty to protect the American citizens from perceived immorality of drug abuse."
Drug Abuse leads to Criminal Activity, no doubt, if we could just put all the drug users in jail , we would be free of crime, it's just that simple, don't you understand?
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Re: Bush Ows Presidenct To NRA... Says the NRA. [Re: nugsarenice]
#630677 - 05/14/02 03:28 PM (21 years, 11 months ago) |
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To the person who thinks Thomas Jefferson was the Shit let me remind you what he did to the indians or did that escape you?
Right on Evolving!!
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Edited by upupup (05/14/02 03:29 PM)
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