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 sirJ
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 many a trial and error 
#623039 - 04/30/02 09:34 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well.. the one thing i can say is that i've been getting experience making and innoculating. So far i haven't been able to fruit anything. About 4-5 weeks ago i got a spore syringe from Hawk (very grateful) tas. I innoculated immediately but only realizing afterwards i was using 4 oz jelly jars. Small.. but the colonize fast. In my mind when it was all covered in rhizomorphic growth i thought it was "100% colonized" but i think i should've left them in the jar longer. I cased 2 of them using the "casing for dummies" tek but lost it to some green mold. Which... for anyone reading here's a question. Is it okay if my jiffy mix has fertilizer? There was no jiffy mix at wal-mart, just jiffy mix plus. Anyway.. then the other three i just put in a glad tote.. i know it's big enough, perlite humidified, i also got a bubbler for it. They just sat there... so that's when i came to the conclusion they weren't fully done. I've done a couple honey jars to keep my tas spores multiplying so i don't run out. I also went out and bought some rye grain and since i have no pc (yes i know you all say it's worth it, but my funds are very tight, living alone, paying rent, bills etc.) so i boiled it. I don't know if i boiled it too dry? I know i added the right amount of water to begin with. Well, whenver the rye did absorb all the water i nuked it for 3 minutes just to make sure it was sterile. Loaded it up using the oven tek and then boiled them just to make sure. Let them cool and then innoculated. It's been a week and nothing has grown on them. I was going to make another syringe from a strain Mr. G sent me using the "uncle lazzo's EZ syringe tek" but of course was pretty clumsy for the first time. I made a little mycilium syringe and had some left over so just today i added the rest of this little water slurry to one of the jars. the rye hasn't absorbed it or anything just kinda coats. It was only prolly half a cup of water with a 1/4 inch layer of verm/brf/mycilia. So we'll see how that turns out. I left one jar out in hopes that it will grow invitro and eventually dunked it and put it in the fridge for a nice cold shock let it sit back in it's jat it just doesn't have it's verm seal now. I have my jars sitting on my hot gas hot water heater. So they stay fairly warm. I also innoculated a half dozen half pint regular ball jars with the "high guys guide to quick colonization" but all the flour kinda slid down the glass leaving the vermiculte to fall towards the middle. The water didn't make it all around i believe, so will this be alright? i figure over time the moisture will condense inside from wherever the water did go and eventually all even out. I chose the reg. tapered because of the no pressure cooker deal. So over the past 4 weeks i've probably done 2 1/2 dozen jars. I've recently cased two using the jiffy mix plus and the sea of shrooms method and am seeing some mycilia break through so hopefully it will fruit soon. But the top layer is dry, so should i spray it? I know i should NOT spray the mycilia especially with this water that is a very slight h2o2 to prevent contams. Any other really good advice to steer me away of any bad habits i've created? I have to pay rent soon so i think i'm going to go buy shit for my shroomies with my next pay check, i was dreaming about an incubation chamber at floor level with a fruiting chamber above it to hopefully catch a little warmth from it. During the winter it's easily 80 degrees in there (where the furnace is) but now that's it's getting hot (i hate heat) the a/c keeps it cooler. so that is what might have been keeping the cakes in the cooler i also have made with perlite from fruiting. Well.. to all of those who read it all, and found what few questions i had, thank you. I'm sorry to have left it like that it's just been awhile since i've written. And since i can't tell my g/f this (she just stares at me) i turn to all of you for assistance and guidance. Again, thank you. I appreciate what all you experienced growers have given to us new comers and the patience MOST of you show.
oh yeah.. and this is my third attempt at growing. First was the brown rice quart jar.. then the alien tek which was just a ll in one step. But i knew it might not work since it was for experienced growers. This is by far the best i've done considering i actually live where there's a stove. I did at home.. but it's weird growing with your mom. And then in the dorm was impossible almost. Okay.. i'm done. Peace all.
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sirJ
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 Re: many a trial and error [Re: sirJ]
#623043 - 04/30/02 09:39 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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SHIT THAT'S LONG
oops
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aenima
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Re: many a trial and error [Re: sirJ]
#623049 - 04/30/02 09:44 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha, i am not reading that, learn to punctuate.
I think i speak for most.
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sirJ
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 Re: many a trial and error [Re: sirJ]
#623058 - 04/30/02 09:55 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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If punctuation was a sign of intellegence i'd be screwed. Thanks for nothing but your criticizim. I'm more of the type to write in verse, that's my habit. i don't think i'm some little kid either you... you... (must resist) okay.. Thanks to anyone who does read it (i say that at the end if someone gets that far) since i thought this was simply a free speech site. I appreciate it truely.
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Seuss
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Re: many a trial and error [Re: sirJ]
#623069 - 04/30/02 10:11 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Is it okay if my jiffy mix has fertilizer?
I wouldn't expect you to have much success with fertilizers added. I have never tried, so I can't say for certain. Plants and mushrooms have very different nutritional needs... what a plant eats can burn the mushroom mycelium.
> Any other really good advice to steer me away of any bad habits i've created?
I would start out with a simple tried-and-true technique that is known to work. You are getting the cart ahead of the horse so-to-speak. Once you get some fruit (a reward!) for all your hard work, then it is time to start playing around. Too much failure without success will probably cause you to lose interest pretty quickly. Look at www.fungifun.org/pf for some of the best teks out there for the newbie. Follow the tek to the letter until you get a harvest. After that start playing around to find what works best for you.
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Re: many a trial and error [Re: sirJ]
#623072 - 04/30/02 10:14 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL,
congrats on the world's longest paragraph :-) I won't slam you any further as others have already pointed out that the format of your post is not inviting to most.
Anyway, I skimmed your post and as best I can tell you have had one screw up after another.
KEEP IT SIMPLE.
It seems you have finally found success with a method, great, keep using it.
My advice, when starting out, is keep things as simple as they can be.
Use canning jars per the PFTek method.
Then case using only damp vermiculite. Using any casing layer that has fertilizer or nutrients in it increases the contamination risk dramatically. When starting out, it isn't generally worth the risk. Play around later after a sucessful grow or two.
Again, keep it simple, follow the newbie teks and you will have good results. The only deviation I made from PFTek with my grows was to simplify. The PFTek calls for all sorts of uselessly complicated humidification techniques. Case in verm and use wet perlite. That is all that is needed and it is *SIMPLER* than the humidification methods in the PFTEK.
Again, KEEP IT SIMPLE. This isn't rocket science, a 2 year old could grow shrooms. Virtually all screw ups are the result of over complicatiing a very easy process.
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Alien_Jesus
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Re: many a trial and error [Re: Seuss]
#623081 - 04/30/02 10:23 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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DUDE! thank you seuss! i think you just gave me the clue I neened in solving my contam problems. i've been casing with shultz seed starter, basically jiffymix. i bet the plant food is feeding those little nasties!
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indicaz
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Re: many a trial and error [Re: sirJ]
#625751 - 05/03/02 01:30 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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sir j,
hey since ya dont have a PC , i have a microwave tek, I found it on a commercial dutch growers website. anyways ive tried it on 4 - 15 cup microwave safe plastc containers with airtight lids and it has worked amazingly well. No contams and actually has worked just as good as my PC and jars. ya might wanna give it a quick shot, it couldnt hurt, just isolate the containers from any jar work you are doing just in case ya didnt kill all the nasties in the microwave.
This recipe makes
2 - 15 cup aero microwave safe containers
6 Cups verm
3 Cups brf
1 Cup Rye Seed (dont have to use this if you dont remove 1/2 cup water)
2 1/2 - 3 cups water (but i just squeeze substrate by hand till a lil water dribbles out to test water content) for some reason Mix gets a lil dry when microwaving so water content is still alil iffy to me.
anyways combine all in a big pot that is clean
mix water in get all lumps of brf out
when smooth grab some in your hand squeeze a little water should dribble, not drip out...
take this mix and split between 2 - 15 cup aero microwave safe plastic containers with lids. Lids can have innoculation holes poked in them.
Take containers fill, cover but leave the edge of container slightly popped open.
Microwave on high for 7 1/2 mins let rest for 2 mins then microwave container for 7 1/2 more mins
DO ONLY 1 container at a time, this method is not widely used only because your microwave can start a fire if the Verm and Brf start to burn... also if you have a PC there is no use..
After container is done remove from microwave let cool, you can seal the lid when removing from PC, you will notice the lid will most like ly suck inwards, just lift off slightly to release pressure. You must do all this in a super sterile environment lysol everything, alcohol and bleach everything. You must be clean, the walls around you must be clean, the countertops, everything!
Ok so when the container is cool to touch, you can innoculate, I usually innoculate 6 points in my containers. So make sure to flame needle till it turns red for every innoculation point. Innoculate and then cover container in tinfoil sealing tinfoil around container and lid... Store at 80-85F in a dark place, you will see condensation on inside of container it kinda acts like a mini incubator.... Anyways i guarantee if you do everything really cleanand correct in 3-5 days you will see some pretty explosive and impressive growth!!!!
When container is fully colonized 100% , wait another week...
then in sterile environment remove tinfoil, remove lid if droplets of water cover colonized substrate dab em off or not, its up to you, there shouldnt be a verm barrier on top layer of substrate you should be seeing a pure white and big cake...
From here you can case the top layer if ya want
id use Coco Coir, or a good 50/50 mix available
NO FERTILIZERS
Or you dont have to case at all and just fruit PF style
you can flip if you like bujt I just would leave it as is... you can from this point place
container in fruiting chamber with light or even add a step and coldshock.
make sure humidity in fruiting chamber is high!!!! temperature and humidity are a must....
if you do everything in a sterile environment you should be cool
I have 3 dogs and im a big time smoker and it has worked pretty darn impressively up till this point...
anyways i may just be lucky, but I like to experiment so ill take my chances
either way there will always be more spores and most of the stuff is reusable so eventually through trial and error itll all work out!!
I probably sound like a dumb ass for recommending this to him but I do know how impossible it can be to grow successfully without a PC, really this isnt a hobby for a poor person cause the PC is so essential, although so far like ive said the microwave works for me as does my Pressure cooker.
l8tz
Indi
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sirJ
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 Re: many a trial and error [Re: indicaz]
#625783 - 05/03/02 02:10 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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thank you all so much 
thank you a lot indi hope you're all having fun..
any suggestions on a good strain to start off with?
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indicaz
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 Re: many a trial and error [Re: sirJ]
#625789 - 05/03/02 02:24 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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personally fromt what I hear from roadkill on here
cambodians are awesome Myself I Favor Amazonians
Others will say PR or B+
Overall go with whatever you feel like you want to try
right now i have keepers creeper, treasure coast, gulf coast and amazonians
going all at once.... ya might want to ask roadkill he can really help ya out besides hes really knowledgable as well.
hope that helps
Indicaz
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