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Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics
    #6221406 - 10/28/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have never played any musical instruments, sadly.

I have generally had problems just understanding the type of expression music was used for, it was just absent from my early life. I have always felt I understood music however, in that I understood the feelings it made me feel and I could identify which elements contributed to this.

But yeah, moving on, yesterday my friend said something about a friend of ours learning to keep time on his hands. I had heard that term a million times, it never meant anything about me even though I knew what it meant. But I guess because of the marijuana we were smoking and the 'psychedelic' conversation we were having, a visual image of keeping rhythm appeared in my mind.

Since yesterday, after only occasional use of my hands for simple 2:1 rhythms, I heave learned to keep 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 6/7, 7/8, 8/9, 9/10 and 10/11 time on my hands. (without missing a beat for a period measured to be longer than a minute). I do it simply by relaxing my mind so that I can see the 'visual' of my rhythm.

It's very interesting how you must first compose the rhythm into one image in your mind... but if you relax, you may watch yourself play the rhythm, at which point inspection of each element reveals an independent frequency.


Looks kinda like this when I 'scroll' through the speeds.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6221658 - 10/28/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Psychedelics definately helped me to learn music very quickly.

I can play 5 inturments, and aside from the sax, I taught myself.

To put it simply, my major teachers were in order/as I got older, metallica, pantera, tool,john scofeild, jerry garcia, trey anastasio and phish, medeski martin and wood, miles davis, pat methany, victor wooten, bela fleck and the flecktones, and for years having a tendancy to tap on something no matter what im doing or where I am.
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My number one teacher was probably psychedelics to be honest.
It just made everything so obvious to me as I began to really see the mathematics and emotions/colors, behind the music. To as you said, visualize the music.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6221964 - 10/28/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i guess neither of you have seen a hippie dance before.


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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: gratefulgere]
    #6222127 - 10/28/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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gratefulgere said:
i guess neither of you have seen a hippie dance before.




Thats funny man, your post I mean.

I dont get it. Not one bit of it.....lol

Care to say what you meant to say?
really dude, that post was VERY funny.

One sentance yet filled with uneccesary qualifiers and crazy assumptions.
VERY funny.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (10/28/06 09:26 PM)

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: yageman]
    #6222262 - 10/28/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

this is my next big thing i wish to do while on psychedelics.
listen to my favourite music, finish my prog rock song.


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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: blacksun]
    #6222686 - 10/29/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

wait, is there such thing as 2/3?

what would that be? eight notes for 3 beats? so 1 quarter note plus an 8th?


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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: Syle]
    #6222996 - 10/29/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck man one of the best things I ever did on mushrooms was play my drums, was amazing and I will do it again. Only now I am better and moved from Rock to playing Jazz(Fucking cool shit) I love it. Even if you know nothing at all you can get a set of bongos and turn a Single Paradiddle into somthing amazing. then get into doubles and inverted paradiddles. I played some shit on this water jug one time on mushrooms and it blew me away

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6223201 - 10/29/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

not only psychedelics, but good herb. rhythm even when high on herb is much easier. songs with difficult rhythm patterns can be played easier for me when i'm high.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: Limerick]
    #6225824 - 10/30/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

syle
in 2/3 beat the 3 represents how many beats per measure
the 2 represents how many of those three beats are accented while the third beat itself is silent

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6226490 - 10/30/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Man fuck that, you dont need drugs to learn rhythm. Just listen to some hip-hop for a few days. You people have to realize not to rely on drugs for everything. god damn!

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: TMshroom]
    #6226514 - 10/30/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

hiphopanonymous ?


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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6226775 - 10/30/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I can rhyme but my voice don't rap cuz. Different people have different rhythm.

Rely on drugs though..? Bit of an assumption.

I wasn't trying to learn rhythm, I was just exploring some less familiar ways of thinking and the topic of rhythm came up, and I happened across some extremely accurate 'time keeping algorithms'.

Once I was seeing things differently there was no reason not to look farther.

I wasn't actually on psychedelics at the time either, (other than a bit of pot) I was just thinking about them.


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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6228514 - 10/30/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I spit out rhymes after smoking cannabis.


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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: TMshroom]
    #6228544 - 10/30/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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TMshroom said:
Man fuck that, you dont need drugs to learn rhythm. Just listen to some hip-hop for a few days. You people have to realize not to rely on drugs for everything. god damn!




lol....if you really LOVE 4/4 time ALL THE TIME.

guy who doesnt know what the hell he is talking about^^^^^^^^^^^^
........not one bit

I dont hate that type of music or anything, I just thought that was really funny for a whole mess of reasons.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (10/30/06 08:45 PM)

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: yageman]
    #6228587 - 10/30/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

yageman said:
Quote:

TMshroom said:
Man fuck that, you dont need drugs to learn rhythm. Just listen to some hip-hop for a few days. You people have to realize not to rely on drugs for everything. god damn!




lol....if you really LOVE 4/4 time ALL THE TIME.

guy who doesnt know what the hell he is talking about^^^^^^^^^^^^
........not one bit

I dont hate that type of music or anything, I just thought that was really funny for a whole mess of reasons.




I was trying to make a funny........didnt you say you were schizo? pls shut up.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: TMshroom]
    #6228659 - 10/30/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

No I didnt say that. That *was funny, and no, I wont shut up.

If I was schizo, you could still learn a thing or two from me about not looking like a jerk just because you dont make it very apparent when you are making a joke from time to time.

All schizos should shut up ay? You are not very sharp my friend.
At least you dont seem very sharp from the way you presented yourself here.

Ya, what you said was funny no matter your intentions.......

Sorry if I offended YOU....lol


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (10/30/06 09:20 PM)

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: yageman]
    #6228793 - 10/30/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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No I didnt say that. That *was funny, and no, I wont shut up.

If I was schizo, you could still learn a thing or two from me about not looking like a jerk just because you dont make it very apparent when you are making a joke from time to time.

All schizos should shut up ay? You are not very sharp my friend.
At least you dont seem very sharp from the way you presented yourself here.

Ya, what you said was funny no matter your intentions.......

Sorry if I offended YOU....lol





Ya I love you too.....stop editing your posts, thats suspect.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: TMshroom]
    #6228891 - 10/30/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I edit my posts because you are a moron who probably wont get it if I dont clarify what im saying again and again.

Sorry about the "sorry if I offended you" edit.

Thats why there is an edit option. If you have more to say, add it to your post if nobody has reacted to you yet.

Its not "suspect" my simple and angry friend. Its just a way of making your point more clear to people like you.

I like to have the freedom to edit my posts. Anyone who thinks I am "suspect" because I do so is a bit paranoid.

I wont turn shit around on you unfairly. Im just making myself more clear to you. You are taking this way outside of the context of your original and supposed joke.

Keep getting pissed. Ill be here to tell you how stupid this is.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (10/30/06 09:55 PM)

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: yageman]
    #6228905 - 10/30/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Im really sorry, I added an R to you to make a "your".

Thats my last edit.......really sorry for being suspect. A person that gets on your nerves.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: yageman]
    #6228996 - 10/30/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Derailed.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: Acyl]
    #6229124 - 10/30/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Its a good topic. Too bad it has to be ruined with bad jokes and angry folks.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: yageman]
    #6229126 - 10/30/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I edit my posts because you are a moron who probably wont get it if I dont clarify what im saying again and again.

  Sorry about the  "sorry if I offended you" edit.

  Thats why there is an edit option.  If you have more to say, add it to your post if nobody has reacted to you yet.

Its not "suspect" my simple and angry friend.  Its just a way of making your point more clear to people like you.

I like to have the freedom to edit my posts.  Anyone who thinks I am "suspect" because I do so is a bit paranoid.

I wont turn shit around on you unfairly.  Im just making myself more clear to you.  You are taking this way outside of the context of your original and supposed joke.

Keep getting pissed.  Ill be here to tell you how stupid this is.




Damn its not really that serious, you're taking in it a notch too far........i knew you were schizo. Why do you feel the need to explain yourself to me? You dont know me............ :stoned:

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: TMshroom]
    #6229155 - 10/30/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You dont seem to understand the simple things im saying. I dont *need to explain myself to you, but it might do you some good. Thats why I made the effort. It could have been a simple misunderstanding, but you had to act cool and be a ditz.

Why? You present yourself as an asshat.....thats why.......

GREAT posts on the "Learning rhythm with psychedelics thread".

Im happy for you you...... If you say something else, I hope it has to do with the subject. Make a joke if you want, but make that apparent.

Im glad there are some people out there that shit on schizos only because they are so damn ignorant about schizophrenia.

Normal people and morons like yourself can only make a schizo feel better about themselves. You are very funny. Lets leave it at that.




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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (10/30/06 11:00 PM)

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: yageman]
    #6230306 - 10/31/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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yageman said:
You dont seem to understand the simple things im saying.  I dont *need to explain myself to you, but it might do you some good.  Thats why I made the effort.  It could have been a simple misunderstanding, but you had to act cool and be a ditz.

Why?  You present yourself as an asshat.....thats why.......

GREAT posts on the "Learning rhythm with psychedelics thread".

Im happy for you you......  If you say something else, I hope it has to do with the subject.  Make a joke if you want, but make that apparent.

Im glad there are some people out there that shit on schizos only  because they are so damn ignorant about schizophrenia.

Normal people and morons like yourself can only make a schizo feel better about themselves.  You are very funny.  Lets leave it at that.








Hahaha here you are STILL explaining yourself to me. Just to let you know....i kept messing with you to see how many times you would reply and re-explaing yourself. Chill out dude, its just a joke...... :grin:

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #6230318 - 10/31/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

talk about getting off topic.

im sure it could help if you wanted it to.

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Re: Learning Rhythm With Psychedelics [Re: evolprim]
    #6230856 - 10/31/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

jamming on mj is amazing. i find myself exploring different creative directions in my playing (which is mostly improv (guitar)). i think it allows one to "be in" the music more than when sober, which means rhythm is felt to the core. i personally find it difficult to jam and trip because my mind phases back and forth between the music and contemplating the center of the universe, which tends to be a bit distracting  :laugh:. i just stick to listening while tripping and save the jams for mj. with either option i def. agree that a sense of rhythm is enhanced.

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